Jan Vesely

Knighthonor · Post #961 » by **Knighthonor** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:03 am

closg00 wrote:I don't care how-well Ernie has executed Ted's re-build plan. Ernie HAS to be fired for selecting Jan Vesely with our 6th pick. Ernie drafted a player with ZERO offensive skills. 6"11 and can't score in the post. On the perimeter he can't /won't shoot. Love his hustle and BBIQ, but it ain't enough.

I came here to ask,,

Why was he drafted? Please can somebody answer that question please....

llcc25 · Post #962 » by **llcc25** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:36 am

SFAM, you still feeling bullish on Vesely after 2 months more into the season?

by sfam on Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:16 pm

"I know many disagree but I'm reasonably confident at this point that as the season rolls on, nobody will be declaring Vesely a bust. I would even guess that in 3 years, we're going to look back at this as a good pick - he may not be the hall of famer that Brooks is already proclaimed to be, but I'm guessing he'll be a real key to our success - meaning we won't be trading him for someone else's trash."

hands11 · Post #963 » by **hands11** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:57 am

Who thought Booker would be shooting outside shots with confidence this year ?
How much better does Walls J look now after missing so bad last year he finally wouldnt shoot it just like Ves wont now. John needed to shoot more last year but not as much as he did and when he did. Ves knows that is not what is needed from him right now. You wanta pick on some player. Pick on Mack. He was supposed to be able to shoot. What about Singleton. I dont see him letting it go that much. He was supposed to be a spot up shooter. Booker now takes more outside shots than Singleton.

Give the kid time. He is smart enough to know what he can do now vs what he can't yet. That should be celebrated on such a stupid team, not bashed.

That said, yes, we should have draft Brooks and there were other good players we have named over and over. Ves was always a project. You can't say he wont be a starter yet. The kid is just getting started. I will say this though. He isnt as skinny as I thought he would be and he doesnt get pushed around like McGee still does. But for a pick that high, he better be bringing it next year. You dont draft at 6 for a three year project. He doesnt need to be a complete player next year, but he has to be has to be an impact.
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Why anyone is bringing up Ves's name after the SA game makes zero sense to me. Ves wasnt the problem.

tontoz · Post #964 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:52 pm

On the season Vesely is averaging 6.8 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 48%. :lol:

terperoni · Post #965 » by **terperoni** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:13 pm

There's no way around it. Vesely is a BUST and it's all Ernie Grunfeld's fault for drafting him.

Grunfeld has made consistently bad GM decisions for several years now and yet he skates by without anyone holding him accountable. AMAZING.

Post #966 » by **miller31time** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:16 pm

tontoz wrote:On the season Vesely is averaging 6.8 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 48%.

I'm always amazed that people who play basketball for their life, such as Vesely, can be so amazingly offensively inept.

You'd think he'd be able to do the bare basics just by putting "NBA Player" as his career information on Facebook.

closg00 · Post #967 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:27 pm

Anyone who watched yesterday game will recall this sequence.

Vesely was tossed the ball in the post with the shot-clock winding-down and no-one to pass-to.
Vesely had to attempt get some kind of move/shot-off. He took an awkward dribble-move and hoisted-up an air-ball.

When it comes to the offensive side of basketball, Vesely reminds me of cat that doesn't want to get wet. Now we are stuck with an untradeable "asset"

queridiculo · Post #968 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:47 pm

Too early to call him a bust, but it's not too early to say we all saw this coming.

Vesely was the consensus "for all that's good and holy, Mr. Grunfeld, please do not pick this euro stiff" pick.

What blows my mind is a Wizards exec being quoted as surprised at how poor of a shooter Vesely was. Are you kidding me? Grunfeld must have used his "scouting trips" to take his family on an extended Euro trip and then caught up with Vesely watching Youtube clips.

In the meantime guys that were championed quite a bit around here (Faried, Leonard, Vucevic) are having a positive impact on veteran teams competing for the playoffs.

REDardWIZskin · Post #969 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:56 pm

Since he will not shoot from anywhere beyond 3 ft, im wondering if Jan projects as a center more down the road, He's already 240 lb and should add strength. Only problem is that i'd like to see him rebound more. I dunno I may be reaching, I just want to be believe there is something positive than can be made of him being on the team besides his "phantom statistical" impact on the game. I was 97% against the pick for the record

7-Day Dray · Post #970 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:29 pm

He was a professional for 4 years in Europe, and still might be the rawest rookie in the NBA. If he couldn't develop a credible offense over there for years, what leads you to believe he can here? I'm not trying to call him a bust, I'm just questioning how much more he can improve.

Illuminaire · Post #971 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:57 pm

I think Ves has potential as a respectable backup at the PF/C position. He's quick enough and long enough to guard anyone at those spots if he bulks up a bit. His rebounding has been improving over the season as he's focused less on boxing out and more on getting boards, those his hands still seem weak and he needs to come down with more boards in traffic.

His ability to contest shots is excellent, as is his positional defense. He's a fairly decent passer in the halfcourt and shows promise as a finisher inside, so if he can take the center duties on offense that will mitigate his complete lack of a shot.

He has a lot of work to do, and the chances of him becoming a star player are basically null.... but considering the weakness of the draft and our crappy position, he might turn out to be useful. It all comes down to how hard he's willing to work.

The Fax · Post #972 » by **The Fax** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:27 am

All Vesely has to do is be better than our last Euro bust

llcc25 · Post #973 » by **llcc25** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:05 pm

latest quote from Veseley on hoopshype. this explains his lack of production. : )

Jan Vesely: I don’t get to shoot or finish as much as I would like, but in the NBA it’s much more complicated than in Europe. Most often here, swingmen have the ball. Nevertheless, I try to work on my shooting thoroughly after practice, and I feel progress [there]. However, in the meantime I’m more beneficial for the team on the defensive side of the court. Truth About It

closg00 · Post #974 » by **closg00** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:11 pm

llcc25 wrote:latest quote from Veseley on hoopshype. this explains his lack of production. : )

Jan Vesely: I don’t get to shoot or finish as much as I would like, but in the NBA it’s much more complicated than in Europe. Most often here, swingmen have the ball. Nevertheless, I try to work on my shooting thoroughly after practice, and I feel progress [there]. However, in the meantime I’m more beneficial for the team on the defensive side of the court. Truth About It

Thanks for the tip, here is the link.
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2012/03/the ... e-boy.html

Jan has had plenty of opportunities to shoot the ball or post guys up but is choosing not-to. Perhaps he will once he becomes comfortable in this area , but it's just not a natural part of his game apparently.

Post #975 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:19 pm

In spite of the stats, Vesely looks better than I anticipated. Of course, I had very low expectations. But I actually am optimistic that he'll be a good NBA player. He obviously has to get stonger, but the defensive potential is clearly there, he's a better passer than I realized, and he can learn to shoot and rebound better. It's a matter of him working on his deficiencies and gradually getting better.

Saqs · Post #976 » by **Saqs** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:15 pm

People are so quick with the "bust" word. I remember seeing the same things said about KS. SMH....

Jan is offensively (no pun intended) raw with a pretty high bball IQ. Give him time.

tontoz · Post #977 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:47 pm

Can anyone remember the last time JV made a jumper?

Nivek · Post #978 » by **Nivek** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:02 pm

tontoz wrote:Can anyone remember the last time JV made a jumper?

According to the data at basketball-reference, he hasn't made a shot outside the paint all season. His longest made FG was a 6-footer against Toronto on February 3.

Jimmy Recard · Post #979 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:12 pm

I remember him making one during the Utah game in Feb

tontoz · Post #980 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:15 pm

Nivek wrote:
tontoz wrote:Can anyone remember the last time JV made a jumper?

According to the data at basketball-reference, he hasn't made a shot outside the paint all season. His longest made FG was a 6-footer against Toronto on February 3.

I think he actually made a jumper in his first game, a big moon ball. I can't remember any lately.