IMO Dwight situation not yet over.

[nykballa2k4]

The Dwight/Gerald Wallce stuff does not make sense to me.

Dwight agreed to stay on for ONE more season.
I see it all as part of a deal.
Dwight tells the Magic "all right, I want to win it all this year in orlando"
Magic say "Well, we are going to trade you to the Rockets for Scola Dalembert and Martin if you don't commit to us"
Dwight gets scared and commits.

HOWEVER he can still demand a trade this off-season. Nets gave away an amazing pick to the Blazers. Still unsure as to why. There is one possible explanation... If Wallace opts in, and becomes an expiring contract it means the nets have from 19-23 million dollars in expiring contracts.
Looking at the salaries and what Lopez should be worth in a new contract...
an off-season deal of Brooks, Wallace, Petro(exp), Farmar (exp), Rockets pick could land D12 WITH the inclusion of Turk for 11 million dollar Brook Lopez

Nets will still have the rights on Humphries sooo
Howard
Humphries
Turk
Morrow
Dwill

is still a possibility.
meanwhile...
magic gain
Lopez, Brooks, Wallace, Draft pick and most importantly be down to only 2 "Bad" contracts in Qrich and Duhon (who could easily be included in the initial deal)

So while for the moment, people are making fun of Dwight for doing the right thing and making fun the Nets for wasting time and support for a false profit, the real saga continues. It is also common knowledge that the best way to make big $ is to opt out of the last season. That promises the best pay day.

[God Squad]

LOL at least you're being optimistic.

[NyCeEvO]

The main problem is that Lopez must be traded during the S&T process. If he's not traded then, he can't be traded until January IIRC.

Even if Dwight demanded a trade then what would make the Magic do it. They could literally say no knowing that they'll have more cap space after that year and can still give D12 the most amount of money.

[NyCeEvO]

LOL at least you're being optimistic.

How's your franchise doing their bud?

[nykballa2k4]

The main problem is that Lopez must be traded during the S&T process. If he's not traded then, he can't be traded until January IIRC.

Even if Dwight demanded a trade then what would make the Magic do it. They could literally say no knowing that they'll have more cap space after that year and can still give D12 the most amount of money.

I personally think it is a pre-arranged deal. But if I am wrong, the motivation is this -- Magic will get nothing for Howard should D12 choose to leave. He makes his intent known during the off-season, Magic have to move him. Magic CAN move him anywhere. However it will be rentals price vs Nets offer, which includes getting out of Hedo's deal. The only hold up would be "is BroLo willing to go to Orlando?"

Who can out-bid the Nets on a rental?

[NyCeEvO]

The main problem is that Lopez must be traded during the S&T process. If he's not traded then, he can't be traded until January IIRC.

Even if Dwight demanded a trade then what would make the Magic do it. They could literally say no knowing that they'll have more cap space after that year and can still give D12 the most amount of money.

I personally think it is a pre-arranged deal. But if I am wrong, the motivation is this -- Magic will get nothing for Howard should D12 choose to leave. He makes his intent known during the off-season, Magic have to move him. Magic CAN move him anywhere. However it will be rentals price vs Nets offer, which includes getting out of Hedo's deal. The only hold up would be "is BroLo willing to go to Orlando?"

Who can out-bid the Nets on a rental?

What makes you think Dwight will have the gonads to stand up to the Orlando FO in the summer like he couldn't do now?

He already made his intent known and he said nevermind.

Brook Lopez isn't a hold up. If we sign him to a deal and then trade him, he has no say.

[nykballa2k4]

Dwight wants to be liked. IFF he wants to leave Orlando, the only way for him to do so on good footing is to allow the Magic a chance to trade him at value after another failed run at a title. If the magic win, Howard might stay and continue being "the guy" there. If they fall short, he can come out into the summer saying he did his best, but it is time to move on to a new chapter. Magic get back a good haul, Howard exists on the heals of a 25/25/4 playoff performance for a loss.

I think the D12 stuff we heard was mostly publicists and such.

[NyCeEvO]

Actually, NINF's fan post on ND has made me think it's a bit more plausible.

Remember when Dwight told some of his teammates that he's going to opt-in and then told the Magic that he had plans to do so?

Then after that Fegan talks to Dwight and then on a conference call with the FO, Dwight says he's not opting in.

But then he goes back and says he is opting-in (which goes against Fegan's advice) but then he doesn't fire Fegan, who still hasn't made any money off of Dwight?

Does anyone think that the Nets or the Magic want to go through this again during the season next year?

Even Stan Van Gundy voiced his opinion before and after Dwight opting-in saying that this doesn't ultimately resolve the problem because the same thing will happen next year.

The Magic and Dwight want to see what it's like when they don't have this dark cloud over their head for the season. But if Dwight isn't traded in the summer, that cloud will return again.

Why does Billy King go out and get the one guy that Orlando initially agreed to a deal for (of Lopez/Wallace/picks but their ownership nixed it), when there are more valuable players to get.

Something is very fishy. And even Billy King's almost defiant sense of optimism that D-Will will return even though we see the chance as very slim.

Something is up....

[Jersey Generals]

Nothing is up, Evo. It was a panic move made by Billy King, that's all. It wasn't some grand chess move in a master plan that will take months to come to fruition. I understand you all want to be optimistic, but don't. It's just going to be another blow to the gut when it doesn't happen.

Now with that being said, will the Nets get Dwight? Possibly. Personally, I don't think so, and I believe Deron will walk, but it's certainly possible that, IN SPITE of this move, not because of it, that the Nets will get Dwight.

[NyCeEvO]

It won't be another blow to the gut. After these past few days, there is nothing that a franchise can do to deter my loyalty to a franchise.

At first, it was hard to handle two major disappointments back-to-back and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to keep being a fan. But after awhile, I got over it.

JG, keep your head up bro. I'm sure you've dealt with some legal cases that were worse than this.

[N Ireland Nets]

The biggest unanswered question is why Howard opted in for the year, that's where this whole thing gets fishy.

Why not declare he wants to stay with the Magic, opt out & resign for the 5 years full max.

That's the part I can't understand more than anything else

[Jersey Generals]

JG, keep your head up bro. I'm sure you've dealt with some legal cases that were worse than this.

1) And I'm not saying this in a dick way, but I'm fine. Don't you worry.
2) And, funnily enough, no, I really haven't. And it only seems like I'm being negative, because the truth itself sucks. There is no positive in what happened at all, hence what seems to be negativity in my comments. A trade will be nearly impossible to happen in the summer because of all the moving parts it would take (Farmar opting in, Gerald Wallce opting in, Brook Lopez being re-signed, potentially having no draft picks to trade, etc), and by the time it may be possible, Deron very well may be on anothe team's roster.

[Jersey Generals]

The biggest unanswered question is why Howard opted in for the year, that's where this whole thing gets fishy.

Why not declare he wants to stay with the Magic, opt out & resign for the 5 years full max.

That's the part I can't understand more than anything else

He had to opt in. Devos threatened to trade him if he didn't. And, since, he'd be losing money by signing an extension (which would be for 2 years, not 5), he risked long term security for short term money.

[NyCeEvO]

JG, keep your head up bro. I'm sure you've dealt with some legal cases that were worse than this.

1) And I'm not saying this in a dick way, but I'm fine. Don't you worry.
2) And, funnily enough, no, I really haven't. And it only seems like I'm being negative, because the truth itself sucks. There is no positive in what happened at all, hence what seems to be negativity in my comments. A trade will be nearly impossible to happen in the summer because of all the moving parts it would take (Farmar opting in, Gerald Wallce opting in, Brook Lopez being re-signed, potentially having no draft picks to trade, etc), and by that it may be possible, Deron very well may be on anothe team's roster.

I completely agree with how unlikely it is. The fact that an S&T would have to be done makes it very difficult and very unlikely.

I'm just trying to reconcile these holes that don't make any sense.

I know Van Gundy wants to win, but he is not happy that they will have to go through this again.

Or who knows, maybe Lopez could be traded for someone else that we have no idea about.

Forget Howard for a second and think of any other players/teams that would want Lopez, yet have a player that wants to leave or who can leave soon.

J-Smoove, Monta has an ETO nex year, Iggy has an ETO the same year that Turner is a restricted FA and would need to be paid. Eric Gordon is looking to get paid and (unfortunately) BK is a major risk taker.

I'm not saying I love any of these guys, but even if it's not Howard, I could see some sort of S&T deal being swung for a player of D-Will's liking.

Then Wallace comes off the books in 2013 and who knows how many salary commitments we'll have at that point.

Regardless of the situation, BK is going to force some talent into Brooklyn no matter whether it's great talent or not.

[Jersey Generals]

Monta for Lopez was already turned down by the Bucks, though.

[N Ireland Nets]

I keep trying to work out if it's possible to sign Gordon to any sort of deal that the Hornets wouldn't match.

We need to add pieces in the summer to show D Will we're serious.

I asked in another thread but could we offer a massive front loaded deal that NOH wouldn't match. Could we pay most of his yearly salary in a big bonus or anything?

He's seems the only real major player available outside our big two.

Plus I've lost it with Brooks, we need to sell high on him

[Jersey Generals]

The Nets will only have about 8 million in cap space if everyone opts in and Lopez is re-signed to a 12 million contract. The only way to front load a contract is to have the cap sapce open to do it. Since the Nets don't, it's not an option unless Wallace doesn't pick up his option.

[N Ireland Nets]

Or we let Hump walk or sign and trade?

[The Hypnotoad]

It's OVER! Dwight isn't leaving Orlando. He gave his big speech about how he chooses "loyalty" over "money" which is apparently what we represent. Screw him.

[Jersey Generals]

I don't think I was actually counting Humphries in that.

17
12
3
4
4
9
1.2
800k
425k x 4= 1.3

Rough estimates, but yeah, I wasn't even counting Humphries. Good thinking. If they sign him, then they won't have any caproom at all.