Eating Crow 3

treis · Post #41 » by **treis** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:46 pm

rugby-hook wrote:
Surprised that so many people think the swap of picks, which is about 5 spots, is so valuable. Could be worth a high 2d. League fallout from the Cleve trade will have real impacts on future LAL trades as it seeks to get under the cascading LT in 2 seasons.

It's a risk. LA depends on old and/or injury prone stars with little depth. An injury to one of those three, or a combined regression of Gasol/Kobe could easily push that pick into the low 20s/high teens, or even make it a lotto pick.

john2jer · Post #42 » by **john2jer** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:52 pm

I figured Fisher would retire a Laker. Not just because no one would want him, but because he's so tied to that franchise that they wouldn't do him like that. I was wrong. Business first.

I figured no one in their right mind would trade for Walton's dead weight. I was wrong.

spearsy23 · Post #43 » by **spearsy23** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:10 pm

warren weel im wrote:I'll be on rugby-hook's side forgiving Spearsy23, Leto and others when the apologies start to come in... "though your sins be as red as crimson, they'll be wiped as white as snow."

While I was wrong about the Cavs accepting Walton without getting a 2nd first rounder, remember they DID get the ability to swap 1sts next year which means they probably will get to move up from 28-30 to 20-25ish and with luck maybe even into the late teens, not quite getting another 1st rounder but it IS getting more than just a late 1st rounder.

Post #44 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:57 pm

Boss Hoggin for saying that The Lakers will not trade Fisher cause he means too much for the franchise. Look how that one turned out!

Or old rem thinking that Monta Ellis has more value then S-Jax and Bogut.

I will take some crow for thinking Calderon and Barbosa should have fetched 1st round picks

Post #45 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:03 pm

Mr. E wrote:I have said many times that there was no way in hell that you would ever see Fisher in a Houston uniform. Now- if they negotiate a buyout that may still be the case, but the fact that we made a trade bringing him in...yeah, never thought that would happen.

Rockets will buy out Derek Fisher, declare the future is in front of them.

http://twitter.com/#!/franblinebury/sta ... 5017296897

rugby-hook · Post #46 » by **rugby-hook** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:00 am

The swap of picks by Cleve is offset by the surrendering of Eyenga. He has a better chance of becoming Shannon Brown useful against the Cleveland's gain of 5 spots. LA gets a high ceiling player with salary control, by swapping draft positions on a draft choice that they will most likely draft trade to cut payroll next season.

spearsy23 · Post #47 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:37 am

Not to derail the thread, but Eyenga has sucked. He barely got playing time on that abomination Cle called a team last year. And there is no knowledge yet as to what that pick will be.

BROWN · Post #48 » by **BROWN** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:25 am

Eating crow on Steph Curry, I thought when the Dubs drafted him he'd be a the ball handling version of Reddick.. Glad I was wrong about that one.

DreDay · Post #49 » by **DreDay** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:40 am

EDIT: WRONG THREAD

I thought Klay sucked and Burks was better. Glad I'm wrong.

warren weel im · Post #50 » by **warren weel im** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:13 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Not to derail the thread, but Eyenga has sucked. He barely got playing time on that abomination Cle called a team last year. And there is no knowledge yet as to what that pick will be.

Eyenga is a low risk high reward wing which the Lakers could freely see before terminating/declining his option.

Right now our depth looks like:

PG: Sessions / Blake / Morris
SG: Bryant / Goudelock / Eyenga
SF: Artest / Barnes / Devin Ebanks
PF: Gasol / McRoberts
C: Bynum / Murphy / Hill

IF Goudelock somehow loses PT then it goes to Skyenga. And if it doesn't or it fails, then he gets cut out.

spearsy23 · Post #51 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:38 pm

warren weel im wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Not to derail the thread, but Eyenga has sucked. He barely got playing time on that abomination Cle called a team last year. And there is no knowledge yet as to what that pick will be.

Eyenga is a low risk high reward wing which the Lakers could freely see before terminating/declining his option.

Right now our depth looks like:

PG: Sessions / Blake / Morris
SG: Bryant / Goudelock / Eyenga
SF: Artest / Barnes / Devin Ebanks
PF: Gasol / McRoberts
C: Bynum / Murphy / Hill

IF Goudelock somehow loses PT then it goes to Skyenga. And if it doesn't or it fails, then he gets cut out.

I agree, it's not a bad move by any means bringing him in. I was just saying he doesn't completely offset the pick swap options reward potential, so at least some of it was to get Cle to take on Walton. I think it was a great move for the Lakers even if they'd only got Sessions, and if Eyenga even ever becomes an alright rotation player that just makes it better.

warren weel im · Post #52 » by **warren weel im** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:57 pm

This team is locked up (atleast the main cast of characters) for atleast 1 more year thereby making that pick a sure-fire non lottery pick. The Heat's will be expected to be in the late 20s if not 30, the Lakers will flail from 21-28 or so. Not that big a difference considering we're almost sure to "sell" it or package it away for salary shavings.

spearsy23 · Post #53 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Even if that pick manages to 'fall' into the 18-22 category, assuming Miami is 28-30 that's a solid 6 to 10 spot jump. That could be the difference between a career backup, and a solid starter down the line. Not to mention, it's a better trade chip if they want to target a guy and move up to get him.

zapatasblood · Post #54 » by **zapatasblood** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:13 pm

Anything regarding a Lakers and Houston trade.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #55 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:24 pm

JES12 wrote:
Not eating crow on me repeadely saying Dallas will not trade Marion because he is too valuble to us.

why would you assume thats the reason he wasn't traded rather than because he's old, mediocre, overpaid, and nobody wants to help Dallas free up cap? just curious

rugby-hook · Post #56 » by **rugby-hook** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:43 pm

The LA pick will be moved for salary reasons next year to help it get under the LT in 2 seasons. Who knows, Cleveland may be acquiring it as well.

spearsy23 · Post #57 » by **spearsy23** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:39 am

LA isn't allowed to move their pick next year. The only way it could happen is if they pick a guy and trade his rights, but seeing as they'll likely have 29+ pick I doubt any team takes on a guy that late and adds salary.

vincecarter4pres · Post #58 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:28 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
JES12 wrote:
Not eating crow on me repeadely saying Dallas will not trade Marion because he is too valuble to us.

why would you assume thats the reason he wasn't traded rather than because he's old, mediocre, overpaid, and nobody wants to help Dallas free up cap? just curious

Lol, JES is the master of spin.

boogie-reke · Post #59 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:48 am

Oh man, def the Dwight thing.

And it started way way back too, like a year orso now everytime it comes up i've said smth about how stupid magic fans are gettin thier hopes up for something that will never happen.

Mattya · Post #60 » by **Mattya** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:11 am

I would love to see how many people said Rubio 1. Would never go to Minnesota. 2. Would be a complete bust. 3. The guy who said the unprotected Minnesota pick would be worth 3 Kevin Loves.

I was wrong about Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn, OJ Mayo, Blake Griffin, Gerald Green.