Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[Illuminaire]

+1 JJ. There is a world of difference between trading a young Webber and trading a McGee. The former was a star, one of the best players in the league, and a major contributor to a winning team. The latter thinks he's those things and wants to get paid like one, but isn't.

[verbal8]

In one sense this might like trading Kwame Brown for Caron Butler in that the Wizards are given up potential for a proven performer. However the big difference is that Butler was 25 and only signed for a year. Doing that would be more like trading him for Kris Humphries or Paul Millsap - guys in their mid-20s on short deals.

Instead this would be like trading a more talented Kwame Brown for Caron Butler in the middle of his extension.

[7-Day Dray]

In one sense this might like trading Kwame Brown for Caron Butler in that the Wizards are given up potential for a proven performer. However the big difference is that Butler was 25 and only signed for a year. Doing that would be more like trading him for Kris Humphries or Paul Millsap - guys in their mid-20s on short deals.

Instead this would be like trading a more talented Kwame Brown for Caron Butler in the middle of his extension.

Another big difference is that JaVale was better and more productive than Kwame when he was traded.

[montestewart]

I know i sound like a broken record, but we absolutely need to make a play to get Harden in DC this or next year. Absolutely love his game. He really is the black Ginobili. Mark my words, he'll be an all star in no time and a borderline superstar one day.

I like "black Ginobili" It sounds like an arch-villain or a rare Amazonian spider. Or a mixed drink.

Nothing new to add about the trade. Does that count as mentioning it?

[dangermouse]

Harden will be a RFA and OKC will have a tough time keeping him and Ibaka. Hell, if we don't win a top-2 pick I might trade it straight up for Harden this summer. OKC would have to look at something like that versus losing Harden for nothing.

I know i sound like a broken record, but we absolutely need to make a play to get Harden in DC this or next year. Absolutely love his game. He really is the black Ginobili. Mark my words, he'll be an all star in no time and a borderline superstar one day.

Terrific all round game, great 2 way player. And, like Ginobili, has that savvy basketball mind. He'd be perfect next to Wall going forward.

Hell yeah, +1 to this idea.

If we can't get high enough to get Davis, Robinson or MKG, we should enquire with OKC if they want it for Harden. Then they can pick a SG to fill his shoes and dont have to worry about paying Harden. We get a guy that we can afford to extend. Wall/Harden/Nene thats better than what we have now.

[WizarDynasty]

Hate to say this but anthony davis reminds me of Javale McGee to a T.
Same slow lateral footspeed, same long uncoordinated steps with good straight line speed. Same broad shoulders with absolutely no lower body strengths, same exceptional wingspan and weak side shot blocker. If we wanted Anthony Davis so bad, we should have forked up 14 mill for McGee. Anthony Davis has the exact same physical tools and shortfalls as McGee. Both have the body types of Tayshaun Prince with no hope of ever being a physical dominant force in the paint.
Anthony Davis is basically a weak side shot blocker with no hope of ever being a dominant post presence because he has slow uncoordinated feet no natural lower body mass to fight for positon on the block.

He is not a tier one prospect. there are no tier one prospects in this draft. Only guy i like for wizards is maybe robinson but he doesn't have a great wingspan. I do like his motor and body type for a powerforward.

[Knighthonor]

Hate to say this but anthony davis reminds me of Javale McGee to a T.
Same slow lateral footspeed, same long uncoordinated steps with good straight line speed. Same broad shoulders with absolutely no lower body strengths, same exceptional wingspan and weak side shot blocker. If we wanted Anthony Davis so bad, we should have forked up 14 mill for McGee. Anthony Davis has the exact same physical tools and shortfalls as McGee. Both have the body types of Tayshaun Prince with no hope of ever being a physical dominant force in the paint.
Anthony Davis is basically a weak side shot blocker with no hope of ever being a dominant post presence because he has slow uncoordinated feet no natural lower body mass to fight for positon on the block.

He is not a tier one prospect. there are no tier one prospects in this draft. Only guy i like for wizards is maybe robinson but he doesn't have a great wingspan. I do like his motor and body type for a powerforward.

Wizards need shooters that can dribble. Aka another Gil.

[nate33]

Hate to say this but anthony davis reminds me of Javale McGee to a T.
Same slow lateral footspeed, same long uncoordinated steps with good straight line speed. Same broad shoulders with absolutely no lower body strengths, same exceptional wingspan and weak side shot blocker. If we wanted Anthony Davis so bad, we should have forked up 14 mill for McGee. Anthony Davis has the exact same physical tools and shortfalls as McGee. Both have the body types of Tayshaun Prince with no hope of ever being a physical dominant force in the paint.
Anthony Davis is basically a weak side shot blocker with no hope of ever being a dominant post presence because he has slow uncoordinated feet no natural lower body mass to fight for positon on the block.

He is not a tier one prospect. there are no tier one prospects in this draft. Only guy i like for wizards is maybe robinson but he doesn't have a great wingspan. I do like his motor and body type for a powerforward.

I agree that there are a lot of physical similarities between Davis and McGee the BIG difference is that Davis has a brain. Watch him when he is on the court, he is always making the right decision. His only issue is that he can get muscled by stronger guys. That doesn't concern me too much given that he is a freshman who has grown about 9 inches in 18 months. Anyways, I'd happily take a McGee-like physique if that's what Davis grew to be. McGee is one of the better rebounders and the best shot blocker in the league. If McGee actually knew how to set picks, make defensive rotations, and avoid biting on pump fakes, he'd be a top 5 center.

Davis also can shoot better than McGee. I mean, right now, today, the 19-year-old freshman Davis is a better shooter than the 3-years-of-college-plus-4-years-of-NBA-experience McGee.

[willbcocks]

It's interesting how many, including myself, aren't really talking about McGee, and no one is talking about Nick Young. Just no real value anymore.

The biggest thing about McGee is that the contract situation was bad. We were either going to have to overpay him or he would take the qualifying offer. If he took the qualifying offer, we would have a guy with one foot out the door taking minutes that could be used for the development of other players, and whose boneheadedness is not good for the development of the team. McGee really had to go.

I like the fact that Nene's contract is a flat 13 a year. Given where we are with our team salaries, this is not going to hamstring us in the future, and unless he gets badly injured, he's likely movable at that salary.

EG still needs to go this summer.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think the biggest thing was this coaching system exacerbated a bad situation. Flip started it with "style over substance" criticism when he compared Hilton Armstrong's "substance" to McGee's "style". About a week or two before Flip got fired, Javale did a dunk off the backboard. i still think that was overblown. Easy made dunk for Javale. Bad judgment? Sure. Consider the source and look at the scoreboard.

What made me angry is Javale was the one hustling and getting the Wizards back in the game, but all Saunders saw was the dunk. Personally, for all the times Flip called rally-killing timeouts, all the times he subbed out the hot shooter, all the times he tolerated horrific shots by Andray Blatche, and all the times guards took any momentum-killing shot; I did not think it was fair to McGee. Flip loved Andray to death and could not wait to pounce when McGee brain farted. This is part of what I mean by exacerbating a bad situation.

When Wittman took over I saw more of the same. Tolerated Crawford's bad shots. Became apoplectic when McGee failed to rotate on defense. Did not EVER confront bad defense by John Wall. The only comment I recall him confronting the guards was when he said they should introduce themselves to the bigs. What I fault Wittman for is too much anger and not enough subbing in Seraphin. When Javale messed up dude didn't have to show the hate I could tell he had.

Next, who said McGee wants $14M? Chris Broussard quoted an inside source on the day before the trade deadline.

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/14/j ... ion.season

The very same day, this is what Mike Prada had to say:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/3/14 ... ee-wizards

Keep in mind that this comes from the keyboard of Chris Broussard, who tends to throw a lot of stuff on the wall to see what sticks. Nevertheless, here's what he had to say about center JaVale McGee

The demand was later denied--I cannot find a link or a quote from Ben Armstrong or the Wasserman Group (DeAndre Jordan's representation). What I suspect is the same inside source is the one who called DC Metro on Gilbert Arenas, and the same inside source who told him to bring back incriminating evidence from Northern Virginia. All speculation, but I think the contract demand leak was pure BS. I think it was personal between Pam McGee and the Wizards. Mama McGee put together the team to represent Javale.

She also likes to remind JaVale that his grandmother scrubbed toilets for $1.25 an hour when she was growing up.

"Don't think you just got here. There were sacrifices made for you," she tells him.

JaVale knows his mother's slogan is, "If it don't make cents, then it don't make sense." So, after the initial rejection, he shopped around. He found a zero-percent financing deal on a Chevy Tahoe, which satisfied his mother.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/features-profi ... eep-family

"As JaVale's financial manager, I talk to him about establishing a financial foundation," Pamela said. "Whether he is successful in basketball or gets hurt tomorrow, he needs to make sure he has his financial base."

The arrangement is not the norm for multimillionaires like JaVale, but it's the law in the McGee household.

Pamela is the captain of JaVale McGee's team, which includes financial advisors, accountants and agents who work hard to protect her son. Her secret to maintaining his wealth lies in her USC education and negotiating his financial deals as if she were still a struggling single parent living in Flint, Mi

Regardless if Pam McGee asked for $1 BILLION over 10 years, or $14M, all Javale is going to get is what the market offers.

Sorry for the rant, but I think the Wizards created drama, made more out of McGee's struggles than necessary, and parted with him foolishly for a guy who has yet to take his physical.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nick and Javale reported to their teams very fast and could not play today, because Nene has not taken his physical yet -- unless he took it today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Nene is expected to arrive in Washington on Saturday to meet with Wizards medical staff and take his physical to complete the three-team deal involving Denver and the Los Angeles Clippers. Nene is unlikely to join the Wizards in Memphis and plans to get in two practices with his new team before making his debut on Wednesday in New Jersey.

Nick Young is already in Los Angeles and JaVale McGee caught the first flight to Denver the morning after the deadline deal. But the trade isn’t expected to be finalized until Sunday or possibly Monday, according to a person familiar with the deal.

Wizard fans who like this deal better hope Nene passes his physical.

twigmuffin
3:07 PM GMT-1000
Big guys that rely on super athleticism fall off a cliff quite quickly, Amare Stoudemire, Ben Wallace, Antonio McDyess... I am pretty sure Nene is already in decline or else Denver wouldn't have traded him.

He's been in the league 10+ years so he's got a lot of mileage on him. Plus he's had ACL and MCL surgery on his knee.

Nene is a rotation big man at this point of his career, but typically the Wizards are asking him to be our anchor in the middle, and will probably try to play him big minutes...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nene won't play until Wednesday?

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/3/17 ... de-nuggets

If Nene fails his physical for some reason, the trade will be revoked. I doubt that happens, but hey, you never know.

It does seem like a pretty long turnaround for a trade. If Nene passes the physical, it'll be six days between the trade being completed and him making his Wizards debut. Then again, what's the rush, really? This gives us a good chance to see Kevin Seraphin more, and it's not like having Nene is necessary for a playoff run. If losses result, at least that improves the team's lottery position.

All this is to say that I have no objections to slowing Nene's debut down. He is under contract for four more years, after all.

Dayum, he's not even officially a Wizard and he's missing games.

Honestly, if I were Nene, I would be praying I failed the physical. Shaun Elliott failed his physical after being traded by the Spurs to Detroit. After going back to SA, he hit a big shot that helped them win a championship.

There is no reason for Nene to truly want to become a Wizard. More shots? More minutes, and his body is not quite right? Playoff team? Good players around him? Great coaching? Great front office? Nene is a God-fearing guy, and he will be fine either way. But there is NO WAY that guy wants to be a Wizard.

Ernie Grunfeld ...

This trade is pure Grunfeld.

[miller31time]

CCJ, are you seriously complaining that Nene hasn't played yet and that he won't play until Wednesday? Really?

He's obviously going to be more effective than McGee and that means a higher chance of winning. I'd rather sit him out most of the rest of the season if possible. Play him a little just to see what we got but nothing more. Respect the tank.

Hope he takes his sweet time getting that physical. Hell, go out for a nice dinner beforehand. Maybe look at some D.C houses/apartments.

Typing this in a St. Patty's day drunken stupor so apologies for the probable incoherence.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

The three-team trade-deadline deal that brought 6-foot-11 Brazilian big man Nene to Washington moved a step closer to completion on Saturday night, when he finally arrived to take his physical.

After a delayed flight from Denver, Nene landed in Washington around 7 p.m. and took his physical shortly thereafter, according to team sources. The results from the examination are expected to known on Sunday.

Young and McGee have already arrived in their destinations and met with their organizations. Cook arrived in Memphis and will be with the team when it takes on the Grizzlies.

[dangermouse]

Assuming he passed then, im sure if he didnt something would have leaked by now.

[The Fax]

Denver coach George Karl, however, isn't expecting a whole lot of offense out of the center who arrived in this week's three-way trade with the Wizards and Clippers.

"We're thinking of him protecting the basket and being a defender," Karl told the Post. "Hopefully get some offensive layups and get on the offensive glass. Anytime a guy joins your team, he has to be patient with the offense.

[dangermouse]

Ironically his offense is probably the best part of his game

[The Fax]

Almost makes you wonder if Karl did his homework on McGee.I don't think he was a fan of the trade tbh, Karl loves guys like Nene.

[willbcocks]

CCJ: I wasn't just referring to the last article when talking about the bad contract situation. Previous articles, including the long one about his mom, have made me feel the same way.

Perhaps the coaching situation stunted McGee's growth. I think it's more likely that the overall situation, created by the GM, hurt his growth, but even so, McGee is largely to blame for McGee's lack of development.

[terperoni]

Almost makes you wonder if Karl did his homework on McGee.I don't think he was a fan of the trade tbh, Karl loves guys like Nene.

Pam McGee is going to drive the Nuggets into the ground.