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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#581 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:43 am

willbcocks wrote:CCJ: I wasn't just referring to the last article when talking about the bad contract situation. Previous articles, including the long one about his mom, have made me feel the same way.

Perhaps the coaching situation stunted McGee's growth. I think it's more likely that the overall situation, created by the GM, hurt his growth, but even so, McGee is largely to blame for McGee's lack of development.


First of all, Javale is who he is. I don't buy his mom's argument that no one is helping him. He's a pro. He can get help on his own for the right price. I don't think the Wizards helped him as much as most other teams would have. I think playing with Blatche and playing for coaches who really were negative didn't help one bit. That said, I expect George Karl will be even more strict.

I also suspect George Karl will be smarter and more pragmatic than Wittman or Saunders. Karl hasn't been losing to the point where he's a desperate, bitter, insecure coach who is worried about his job. I bet Karl is going figure out Javale isn't great laterally and he is not a high IQ player. McGee is an exuberant, high energy player. McGee is a vertical player on offense but he is finesse at both ends. His new coach won't be a blockhead like the Wizard coaches. They kept asking McGee to protect the rim in ways he couldn't.

The real advantage Javale has is he will be playing with two forwards who are real threats on the court. Faried is so much better than Booker that Javale's job on defense will be 50% easier IMO. Gallinari dogs out SFs who try to cover him and he runs hard. McGee has been playing with Vesely and Singleton. In baseball or prison, they would be catchers. Gallinari is like a pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball. He is going to command attention of opposing defense. Javale is going to have an easier time on offense, too.

One more thing. Pam McGee only has to tell George Karl that she is a cancer survivor, too. You guys have so much bad to say about Pam McGee. Personally, I like her more than a GM who rats out Arenas and who continually manages to have a high payroll and a team with a terrible record.

I think McGee is going to be better than fine.
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Post#582 » by closg00 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:12 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/nene-arrives-in-washington-takes-his-physical/2012/03/17/gIQAVWNfJS_blog.html

The three-team trade-deadline deal that brought 6-foot-11 Brazilian big man Nene to Washington moved a step closer to completion on Saturday night, when he finally arrived to take his physical.

After a delayed flight from Denver, Nene landed in Washington around 7 p.m. and took his physical shortly thereafter, according to team sources. The results from the examination are expected to known on Sunday.


Young and McGee have already arrived in their destinations and met with their organizations. Cook arrived in Memphis and will be with the team when it takes on the Grizzlies.


Imagine the shock that Nene and his family must have been-in. He probably needed some time to gather his thoughts. If Nene wasn't motivated to play for a playoff team, he couldn't be coming to Washington a happy camper. Nene's got to do hard time in Washington now.
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Post#583 » by DCZards » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:30 pm

Closg00, Nene (and his family) might actually like the idea of living in a diverse, international city where he is a cornerstone and leader on a young and up-and-coming team in the most powerful city in the world. A place where the peeps really know and love their hoops. :D
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Post#584 » by thinker07 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:41 pm

I think too many people are putting too much stock in the so-called $14 mil salary demand as being a factor in the McGee trade. His salary demands are irrelevant as a RFA. Someone was going to offer him a big contract and the Wiz would have been faced with having to match it. This wasn't a NY deal where no one offered him much. McGee wasn't coming back on a QO because ultimately he would have signed an offer sheet in the Deandre Jordan range - at least. He wasn't going to leave that kind of money on the table. It seems like the Wiz offered NY 2 years and $10 mil when he though he was getting 4 years and $35 mil +. That waqs was too much.
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Post#585 » by willbcocks » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:46 pm

Thinker: The point is that he's either getting way too much money for comfort or he's taking the qualifying offer. I don't see any way he signs a long term deal at under 10 mil per season. It's a lose, lose situation.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#586 » by closg00 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:56 pm

DCZards wrote:Closg00, Nene (and his family) might actually like the idea of living in a diverse, international city where he is a cornerstone and leader on a young and up-and-coming team in the most powerful city in the world. A place where the peeps really know and love their hoops. :D


Nene and his family were settled in Denver, he was relieved that he knew he was going to finish his career in Denver (I saw his presser).

Nick mentioned the turmoil in DC at his presser, It's going to be tough for Nene, but he will be closer to Brazil now :D
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#587 » by gesa2 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:55 pm

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The real advantage Javale has is he will be playing with two forwards who are real threats on the court. Faried is so much better than Booker that Javale's job on defense will be 50% easier IMO. Gallinari dogs out SFs who try to cover him and he runs hard. McGee has been playing with Vesely and Singleton. In baseball or prison, they would be catchers. Gallinari is like a pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball. He is going to command attention of opposing defense. Javale is going to have an easier time on offense, too.



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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#588 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:59 pm

I think there will be more classic comedy - especially with the way Karl deals with McGee. He's going to remember his daze with Tim Thomas and see flashbacks - only quadruple. Karl absolutely fell in love with Thomas' ability when he was starting out with the Bucks. He believed in him so much that he got him a huge free agent contract even though Thomas was just a backup at the time. There was no doubt in Karl's mind that Thomas was going to join the big 3 (Cassell, Big Slog, and RayRay) and make the Bucks great. Year after year, he was mediocre, and Karl did a slow burn. His experiences with JR Smith were somewhat similar. But with McGee, it'll be that frustration multiplied several times over. The reason to watch will be to see how Karl reacts. I think he'll try to keep a poker face, but there will be some comedy gold. If Javale ends up getting more than 15 minutes a game there (assuming no injuries to their other bigs), I'll be surprised.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#589 » by DCZards » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:15 pm

closg00 wrote:Nick mentioned the turmoil in DC at his presser, It's going to be tough for Nene, but he will be closer to Brazil now :D


What Nick didn't mention at his presser is that two of the chief reasons for the turmoil (and immaturity) in DC just got traded to Denver and LA.
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Post#590 » by fishercob » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:22 pm

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fishercob wrote:I'm warming to the trade. It's a risk, but seems a worthwhile one. Of the guys we discussed -- Bogut, David Lee, Okafor, etc -- I think Nene makes the most sense.

A couple of weeks ago I pointed out that we had all of two guys on the roster who could both play the game (talent/skill) and think it (BBIQ) in wall and booker. Well, we have a third now.

And holy cow, look how much better positioned we are getting for the summer of '13 when we'll have 8-10 guys already under contract and around $30M in cap room.

Dwight -- a Dan Fegan client (someone asked) -- will be unrestricted and the new CBA gives him little incentive to stay put versus moving. Harden will be a RFA and OKC will have a tough time keeping him and Ibaka. Hell, if we don't win a top-2 pick I might trade it straight up for Harden this summer. OKC would have to look at something like that versus losing Harden for nothing.

Having another good player raises the stakes for the next two summers. I think it opens up some doors that weren't previously there.


So your warming to it, huh? Usually your first instinct is the right one. I think it's a defense mechanism all Wizard fans have. I've seen it with every deal Ernie has made, good & bad. In every case, after a couple of days, the board gets swept up in a groundswell of group think. The trade becomes an obvious positive until were clearly shown otherwise.


There's no doubt it's a defense mechanism. I talked myself into supporting the Miller/Foye trade, the Crittenton acquisition, the Blatche extension, and the Arenas and Jamison contracts. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me infinitely, and I'm an idiot. I get it. Part of it comes down to the way I view the world and the role sports fandom plays in that view. While I care deeply about the Wizards success, I don't actually give a rat's ass in the context of what's actually important. This is entertainment for me, pure and simple. And it's more entertaining for me to view the glass as half full. We don't win anything for being right around here, after all. In my case, I don't know that my first instinct is usually right (see the aforementioned reactions to other Ernie moves). I also reject the "group think" assertion; I'm fully capable of coming to bad conclusions all on my own. In fact, the guys here that I think are the smartest are some of the most vocal opponents of the move.

To me it's just a bit scary. I'd probably be more confident with the move if Ernie Grunfeld wasn't the one pulling the trigger on it. This has an Ernie style rebuild all over it. And reads nothing like what Teddy Leonsis had been preaching for the longest. It just screams a panicky & desperate GM making one last push to save his job. And McGee struck me as one of those types where the light goes on at some point in his career. Much like it did for for a guy like Tyson Chandler.


Completely agree that I'd have more faith in this if Ernie weren't in charge. He's screwed up so bad that I'm preconditioned at this point to doubt any move he makes. Keep in mind, though, that it was Daryl Morey -- Dork Elvis himself -- who was after Nene this summer to pair with Gasol (before Stern stepped in and blew up his plan) . If Morey ran the show here, Nivek and his band of nerds (of which I am one) would have given the move the benefit of the doubt from the outset, right?

I agree (and pointed out myself) that this seems off message for Ted. But it doesn't prevent them from continuing to build through the draft and keeping a fair amount of cap flexibility. I don't see the light going on for Javale "I can't say I do" McGee. I talked myself into supporting Javale for a couple years by charting his progress compared to Chandler and Camby's. But the truth is that Epic Vale -- despite his shotblocking prowess -- continues to be a net negative on D. He doesn't have the fire, heart, or smarts to put him in the same league as Chandler or Camby. What can anyone reasonable expect after Vale gets PAID this summer?

Now as I mentioned a few pages back, if this is followed up by an aggressive approach of trying to immediately build a contender by adding additional veteran pieces, then the move makes more sense. But if were simply continuing to rebuild by developing our remaining youth and remaining patient, then I really got to question the logic and timing of this trade.


It doesn't make sense to try to "immediately" build a contender. John's game isn't ready. WIth Nene in the fold we are up to a grand total of three players who have both rotation-worthy talent as well as brains. But three is better than two. By the end of this summer, we could have four, maybe five of those guys. We have to build this incrementally; we're not going to just make two huge Boston moves and be a contender. Our long term cap situation still looks very good.

But I agree that the move makes more sense IFF there are multiple complementary moves in the near future. If the follow up is drafting Harrison Barnes, overpaying this year's version of Mike Miller, and then signing the next Hilton Armstrong, then yeah, boo. BUt I think there will be better opportunities on the table. Hopefully Ted replaces Ernie to find those opportunities, though I am not holding my breath at this point.
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Post#591 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:36 pm

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The real advantage Javale has is he will be playing with two forwards who are real threats on the court. Faried is so much better than Booker that Javale's job on defense will be 50% easier IMO. Gallinari dogs out SFs who try to cover him and he runs hard. McGee has been playing with Vesely and Singleton. In baseball or prison, they would be catchers. Gallinari is like a pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball. He is going to command attention of opposing defense. Javale is going to have an easier time on offense, too.



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Post#592 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:55 pm

fisher and Dat, even i admit, if somebody like Kevin Pritchard made this same trade I would feel better about it. First thing I would say is, "It looks bad on the surface, but this GM has a pretty good track record.... I probably should give KP benefit of a doubt." Next, I would rationalize with numbers, and point out Nene's excellent shooting. "That will help John Wall." More about Nene, "I like the way he's a great help defender. He has quick lateral movement. I recall that when I got his autograph, I thought Nene is headed for stardom." All these kinds of things would help me be at ease with a move BY A COMPETENT GM. Yep, I would be seeing the glass half full, too, fisher.

HOWEVER, this move was made by EG, at the end of the deadline, and with EG desperate to save his job. Denver tried a while back to trade Nene for Cousins. What about character and being a good teammate? What about Karl's admiration for his fellow cancer survivor? And also, Nene hasn't just had calf issues but he's had Achilles probs, too. The man has 10 years in the league and has had a couple knee surgeries. Now lower leg issues--next thing you know it could be his back or another knee problem if he's not right and rushes back. And last but not least, he is owed 4 more years of $13M. This team paid for Gil's injury big time. (I told you they would ahead of him signing that deal.) And you mean to say Ernie struck this "great" trade?

Come on, man. :(

PS--The one thing I do like about this trade is what Ted Leonsis wrote. Nene is a strong, spiritual man. He is a cancer survivor. You would rather go to war with the guy 1000 times out of 1000 than with Javale/Pam McGee (package deal--you get one you've got the other. Dude is a praying man, so all things are possible because he believes. Maybe his production steps up and he maintains good to great health the next 2-4 years.
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Post#593 » by fishercob » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:11 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:fisher and Dat, even i admit, if somebody like Kevin Pritchard made this same trade I would feel better about it. I would say, "It looks bad on the surface, but this GM has a pretty good track record. ... I probably should give KP benefit of a doubt." I would rationalize with numbers--and point out Nene's excellent shooting. I'd say I like the way he's a great help defender, has quick lateral movement. I would say that when I got an autograph I did think Nene was headed for stardom. All these kinds of things would help me be at ease with a move BY A COMPETENT GM. Yep, I would be seeing the glass half full, too, fisher.


There are no perfect GM's. Pritchard was brilliant for a while, but then he struck out bigtime on Oden, saying he and his medical people saw Oden's knees before the draft and were "pristine." Remember though, Morey wanted this guy.

HOWEVER, this move was made by EG, at the end of the deadline, and with EG desperate to save his job. Denver tried a while back to trade Nene for Cousins. What about character and being a good teammate? What about Karl's admiration for his fellow cancer survivor? And also, Nene hasn't just had calf issues but he's had Achilles probs, too. The man has 10 years in the league and has had a couple knee surgeries. Now lower leg issues--next thing you know it could be his back or another knee problem if he's not right and rushes back. And last but not least, he is owed 4 more years of $13M. This team paid for Gil's injury big time. (I told you they would ahead of him signing that deal.) And you mean to say Ernie struck this "great" trade?

Come on, man. :(


We don't know EG is desperate to save his job, CCJ. FOr all we know, Ted may already have promised him a new deal -- he may even have one. Ted's proclamations that he and Ernie were "in lock step" are a far cry from Ted saying something to the effect of "we'll look at Ernie's situation this summer like we do everyone else's." We all say Ernie is desperate to save his job because we all want that to be the case, but it may not be.

Maybe the SAC offer was more indicative of DEN's belief in Cousins and not an indictment of Nene. Maybe DEN realized (like Orlando did with Gortat) that they would get more value out of Nene by keeping him and trading him then by letting him walk (I saw an article somewhere to this effect). They couldn't get Cousins, so settled for McGee. Hopefully we did our due diligence on these little injuries and determined the best thins for Nene is to play every third or fourth game, followed by some protracted rest :-)
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Post#594 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:24 pm

i will chime in i guess and i know most have heard my argument. i felt that McGee was close to being a starter worthy center with added strength. The problem with McGee is his feet. He has extremely uncoordinated slow moving feet that can't react quickly. This has nothing to do with his IQ. In his for years since he has been in the league he foot reaction speed has not improved. He will never be able to anchor a defense with his slow feet. Regardless of all the shotblocking he has done, once McGee has made his initial defensive move, his feet reaction speed is way to slow for him to recover and effective defending the basket.
Foot speed is one of the most important aspects of team defense and the ability to recover. McGee had great physical tools but Ernie knew the reason JaVale fail in the draft was because he had extremely uncoordinated feet, and for the rest of Javale's Career, that will be what forces him to come off the bench for a playoff team.
His slow foot speed is he rarely is able to recover after going for blocks and the reason why he is always out of position and never able to recover. If you look at his legs, they are extremely skinny and built purely for jumping, not for making powerful change of direction movements.
Javale will always have an extension advantage over his opponents and I see him as a super energy guy coming off the bench. Ultimately, he will always be a iiability on defense because of his lateral footspeed.
Finally, Javale shows absolutely zero leadership ability on the court. He just doesn't inspire confidence in his team mates. You are constantly seeing his team mates trying to encourage him and boost his confidence. That's not what you are looking for in the guy who is suppose to be the leader of your defense and the leagues best defensive shot blocking center.
Javale is better than Haywood so EG did upgrade the position, but Nene's footspeed and strength in the post means that we have veteran building block that can't be picked on when a team needs a point.
In literally started to get to the point where teams main focus was force McGee to move his feet laterally and the entire defense fell apart because he immediately needed help.
We needed a player that inspires confidence in his team mates and someone who John Wall can rely on to help him make the right decisions. Javale was basically a leach most of the time, requiring somene to do all the work and once Wall created mismatches, Javale could easily jump up and catch and easy alleyhoop. I would much rather have a guy who is going to get on blocks and created opportunities for others. javale just didn't have the foot coordination to do this.
So again, Javale was the 18th pick and being able to cash in the 18th pick for established veteran who has size, strength, and extremely quick feet in the pick and role with a high basketball iq is awesome. We would never have been able to attract Nene to DC and get him to sign a contract for 13 million a year.
We have him for 4 years which is great.
A big who lacks fine motor coordination with his feet, and can't move quickly laterally can not be an anchor for your defense. I think EG learned the lesson that lateral agility among bigs, is just as important as wingspan, and lower body strength, big coordnated hands, strong motor, and BBIQ. Its just a slow evolution for EG but he definitely deserves to stay here for another contract.
Swapping the 18th pick into established commodity bigman like Nene is grade A GM work.
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Post#595 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:35 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:i will chime in i guess and i know most have heard my argument. i felt that McGee was close to being a starter worthy center with added strength. The problem with McGee is his feet. He has extremely uncoordinated slow moving feet that can't react quickly. This has nothing to do with his IQ. In his for years since he has been in the league he foot reaction speed has not improved. He will never be able to anchor a defense with his slow feet. Regardless of all the shotblocking he has done, once McGee has made his initial defensive move, his feet reaction speed is way to slow for him to recover and effective defending the basket.
Foot speed is one of the most important aspects of team defense and the ability to recover. McGee had great physical tools but Ernie knew the reason JaVale fail in the draft was because he had extremely uncoordinated feet, and for the rest of Javale's Career, that will be what forces him to come off the bench for a playoff team.
His slow foot speed is he rarely is able to recover after going for blocks and the reason why he is always out of position and never able to recover. If you look at his legs, they are extremely skinny and built purely for jumping, not for making powerful change of direction movements.
Javale will always have an extension advantage over his opponents and I see him as a super energy guy coming off the bench. Ultimately, he will always be a iiability on defense because of his lateral footspeed.
Finally, Javale shows absolutely zero leadership ability on the court. He just doesn't inspire confidence in his team mates. You are constantly seeing his team mates trying to encourage him and boost his confidence. That's not what you are looking for in the guy who is suppose to be the leader of your defense and the leagues best defensive shot blocking center.
Javale is better than Haywood so EG did upgrade the position, but Nene's footspeed and strength in the post means that we have veteran building block that can't be picked on when a team needs a point.
In literally started to get to the point where teams main focus was force McGee to move his feet laterally and the entire defense fell apart because he immediately needed help.
We needed a player that inspires confidence in his team mates and someone who John Wall can rely on to help him make the right decisions. Javale was basically a leach most of the time, requiring somene to do all the work and once Wall created mismatches, Javale could easily jump up and catch and easy alleyhoop. I would much rather have a guy who is going to get on blocks and created opportunities for others. javale just didn't have the foot coordination to do this.
So again, Javale was the 18th pick and being able to cash in the 18th pick for established veteran who has size, strength, and extremely quick feet in the pick and role with a high basketball iq is awesome. We would never have been able to attract Nene to DC and get him to sign a contract for 13 million a year.
We have him for 4 years which is great.
A big who lacks fine motor coordination with his feet, and can't move quickly laterally can not be an anchor for your defense. I think EG learned the lesson that lateral agility among bigs, is just as important as wingspan, and lower body strength, big coordnated hands, strong motor, and BBIQ. Its just a slow evolution for EG but he definitely deserves to stay here for another contract.
Swapping the 18th pick into established commodity bigman like Nene is grade A GM work.


WD, I agree with 100% of your assessment of Javale. Doesn't move well laterally and he will be a defensive liability. He cannot anchor the defense. Riddle me this: Why on earth couldn't Javale have been used the same way Birdman Anderson was used alongside Nene and/or Kenyon Martin? Birdman blocked a ton of shots but he wasn't the anchor. Instead of insisting McGee be on an island as the anchor and the only real big, why not occasionally let Javale merely be a weak side deterrent shot blocker? Why not help him out before you trade him?

The Wizards have an emerging "anchor your defense" big man. Kevin Seraphin. Seems to me the smartest thing would have been to play Seraphin in the post a good bit of the time, and for McGee to play some minutes with Seraphin. I don't really see the need to pay that much money for a soon-30 Nene, when Kevin might be better defending already.

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Post#596 » by Nivek » Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:55 pm

A few folks brought up some names as examples that the aging effect isn't universal or linear. I agree with that. Maybe Nene will also be one of the exceptions. If so, it may turn out to be a decent trade. Odds are that he's going to be in serious decline the last two years of this contract. I think that's a bad bet to make at this point. Time will tell.

Something else has been niggling at me about this trade -- another reason to dislike it. The Wizards just let Ernie Grunfeld commit the team to a long-term deal with a 29-year old player. This suggests that Ernie is going to stay in his position. I'd been thinking for months that Ernie would be gone when his contract expired. This trade suggests that Ernie is going to get a new contract -- that he's going to be sticking around. I find that to be a crushing disappointment.
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Post#597 » by thinker07 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:25 pm

willbcocks wrote:Thinker: The point is that he's either getting way too much money for comfort or he's taking the qualifying offer. I don't see any way he signs a long term deal at under 10 mil per season. It's a lose, lose situation.


I don't agree that McGee would decline to sign a 4 year $36 million offer in favor or a one year QO of $6 million. That's simply too much money to leave on the table and risk. Mind you I believe that some team will likely offer him that or even more. My larger point was that Washington didn't trade McGee because they thought he wanted a $14 mil per year contract. I think they traded him because they were done with him and wanted to move on.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#598 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:37 pm

thinker07 wrote:I don't agree that McGee would decline to sign a 4 year $36 million offer in favor or a one year QO of $6 million. That's simply too much money to leave on the table and risk. Mind you I believe that some team will likely offer him that or even more. My larger point was that Washington didn't trade McGee because they thought he wanted a $14 mil per year contract. I think they traded him because they were done with him and wanted to move on.

I think he would. It's only a $3M pay cut next year and it would give him much better negotiating leverage in 2013 because there would be no RFA rights to scare away bidders.

McGee's biggest problem isn't effort or work ethic, it's his wildly inflated perception of his basketball ability. That kind of ego is exactly the type of thing would encourage him to roll the dice on a one-year contract in the hope of landing a bigger one next year.

From my standpoint, I think the question of whether we're better with McGee or Nene is a no brainer. I'd take Nene every time. The only doubts about this trade that register with me are the ones raised by Nivek and others who argue that maybe we'd be better off with neither and retain cap room instead. Over the short term, I prefer Nene over cap room, but I cede that by 2014 or 2015, Nene's salary might become a real burden.

In a nutshell, if Nene was under contract for just 2 more years, I'd consider this a no-brainer. If it was for 3 more years, I'd still pretty easily conclude that it's a real good move. But with Nene under contract for 4 years, I'm much more ambivalent. Put a gun to my head and I'd probably still make the move, but I'm not exactly doing backflips because of it.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#599 » by DCZards » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:41 pm

thinker07 wrote:
My larger point was that Washington didn't trade McGee because they thought he wanted a $14 mil per year contract. I think they traded him because they were done with him and wanted to move on.


Yup, the Zards wanted--and needed--to move on. All that really matters now is not whether the Zards used McGee the right way, or who's dumber McGee or Ernie, or whether or not Javale "blows up" now that he's gone. The only thing that realy matters now is whether the Zards are a better TEAM with Nene rather than McGee and Nick. I'm betting they will be...but time will tell.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#600 » by verbal8 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:49 pm

Nivek wrote:Something else has been niggling at me about this trade -- another reason to dislike it. The Wizards just let Ernie Grunfeld commit the team to a long-term deal with a 29-year old player. This suggests that Ernie is going to stay in his position. I'd been thinking for months that Ernie would be gone when his contract expired. This trade suggests that Ernie is going to get a new contract -- that he's going to be sticking around. I find that to be a crushing disappointment.


I think EG making the trade is a big part of what bothers me about the deal. I think this looks to me a lot more like his mistakes than his successes. If the Wizards were going to make a big deal, I think they had to do something swing for the fences like the Skins did with RG3(you can't give up so many picks in the NBA, but giving up 4 solid assets for a potential superstar is a good move).

It may have been, there wasn't a "swing for the fences" deal available. If that was the case, I don't have a problem with a "low upside" move that will give the team a solid player or two. However I think there were better targets for that.

It reminds me of the 5th pick for Miller/Foye trade. The idea wasn't horrible(build a play-off team for an aging owner), but the execution was. I think the Suns would have been willing to package Amare for Bulter and Jamison if they knew the 5th pick was going to be Rubio. It would have been a lot of assets to give-up, but the Wizards would have had 2 stars to build around and it even would have likely worked better for the Suns. Could you imagine having Nash for a year or two to mentor Rubio.

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