Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[sunny]

Just read your recap fredericklove. Really appreciate it. So, to me it looks like Barnes had an okay game without even checking the box score yet. Missed shots here-and-there, but mostly was created by him off the dribble. Was Doug McDermott defending Barnes by any chance?

boxscore: ok game.
actually watching it: did nothing for his draft stock. not that his team needed him, but just another game on the list where he didn't show up and was their 4th best player.

[fredericklove]

why would you watch a video on your phone? seems crazy to me.

Anyways- Sullinger has been playing hurt all year and general managers know this. I think this bolds well for him. Last year Derrick Williams played half the season with a broken finger and GM's took it as a huge positive.

I think T-rob could go as high as the second pick and that GM's are really impressed with him. However, I think that he is a bit overrated from how I think GMs/scouts perceive him.

without marshall, UNC is screwed.

cos right now on my laptop i don't wanna use up all my bandwidth, and my phone has unlimited data so I'm watching it there.

Sully is definitely playing hurt, he's alot slower than he already is and he does nothing on defense lol, he just raises his hands up and stands there letting the guy scores on him. I like the brute strength he has last year, imo he should stay fat, like really really fat

[S.W.A.N]

Just read your recap fredericklove. Really appreciate it. So, to me it looks like Barnes had an okay game without even checking the box score yet. Missed shots here-and-there, but mostly was created by him off the dribble. Was Doug McDermott defending Barnes by any chance?

boxscore: ok game.
actually watching it: did nothing for his draft stock. not that his team needed him, but just another game on the list where he didn't show up and was their 4th best player.

Which would say something if he were not playing with 3 other first round picks.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm warming up to the idea of taking Robinson

Robinson/Valanciunas would have some of the best rebounding in the league. Great efficiency in all liklihood. Chance for really good defense - Robinson is a little short but their help D rotating would be extremely fast

Would be a good solid pick

[fredericklove]

Just read your recap fredericklove. Really appreciate it. So, to me it looks like Barnes had an okay game without even checking the box score yet. Missed shots here-and-there, but mostly was created by him off the dribble. Was Doug McDermott defending Barnes by any chance?

Um, actually he did more poorly creating for himself this game (actually he didn't create much). Let's just say the paint was insanely crowded this game and his defender was doing a good job on covering him tho, getting up on his grill the entire game. Idk why he misses those easy layups that he normally can make. And nope, Henson was covering Doug most of the time while it was the other white guy covering Harry. Doug was scoring a bunch on Henson tho lol.

[sunny]

I'm warming up to the idea of taking Robinson

Robinson/Valanciunas would have some of the best rebounding in the league. Great efficiency in all liklihood. Chance for really good defense - Robinson is a little short but their help D rotating would be extremely fast

Would be a good solid pick

bargs+dd for harden

bayless
harden
johnson
robinson
val


I'd be thrilled

[sunny]

frederick - can you keep this thread updated on the next few days on MArshall's status?
awful news.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm warming up to the idea of taking Robinson

Robinson/Valanciunas would have some of the best rebounding in the league. Great efficiency in all liklihood. Chance for really good defense - Robinson is a little short but their help D rotating would be extremely fast

Would be a good solid pick

bargs+dd for harden

bayless
harden
johnson
robinson
val


I'd be thrilled

Think Harden is a pipe dream, would like trying to get Manu out of San Antonio in 2005, just not happening

My only issue with the TRob pick is once again we have the issue of NO FRANCHISE PLAYER. No perenn all-star talent. Basically it'd be on the road towards the Indy Philadelphia type of good team.

Which might not be that bad of a thing but would certainly make things harder long term

But then again it seems there's no perenn all-star talents BC has a chance of taking. I think Leonard and PJIII are 2 and 3 in that category behind A Davis but we all know BC is taking neither of those players. So if it's Robinson or Barnes, MKG, Beal, etc. I definitely go Robinson

[Rapsfan07]

This would be how I see the 2012 draft board groupings for most teams on draft night for the first 15 or so picks (and then in the order that I would draft them). I'm not one to get too excited or down on a prospect because of their tournament play. You can only use it to reinforce the positives or negatives of a player that your team has already scouted their entire career already. So here goes, let me know your thoughts:


Anthony Davis


Jeremy Lamb
Thomas Robinson
Harrison Barnes
Bradley Beal


Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Jared Sullinger
Andre Drummond

John Henson
Austin Rivers
Myers Leonard
Kendall Marshall


Terrence Jones
Damian Lillard
Perry Jones
Quincy Miller
Tony Wroten

Interesting list.

I think you have Lamb way too high. I'd go with Beal over Lamb every time. But other than that the first two tiers and Anthony Davis looks good. I personally have never really understood the hype around Gilchrist and so personally I'd draft Drummond and have a better shot at franchise big than take Gilchrist. He's a hard worker and a good defender but he gets mostly "garbage points" if you know what I mean. I don't know if that's what I want at the top half of the lottery personally. Same thing for Henson. I don't think he's got the offense of a PF and will lack the body to have any significant immediate defensive impact on the game..certainly not like the one he's having in college. He could bulk up and play C. I think he could be the next Marcus Camby.

Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night. I'd stay away from Kendall Marshall unless it's a late first. A great pass first PG but he looks like Jose Calderon to me. I think that's what he'll be on the next level. I think his offense will improve but I doubt he'll ever been a great defensive player and doesn't have the quickness to get by his defender. Very smart though so like I said I'm thinking Calderon.

I also think you have Perry Jones and Quincy Miller too low. And I think Zeller is alright too. I'd take Zeller over Terrence Jones.

[sunny]

I agree with you in the sense of franchise players. I think Lamb has definite franchise potential and to a much lesser extent Robinson does to.

Don't see franchise player appeal in any other players in that range other than Drummond though.

[fredericklove]

frederick - can you keep this thread updated on the next few days on MArshall's status?
awful news.

Sure. Right now an article says this...

"Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first," UNC coach Roy Williams in his opening remarks at the post-game press conference. "Kendall's got a fracture of the scaphoid bone of the right wrist. We'll speak to the hand specialist tonight with Kendall and his family and we'll see what happens after that."

All hope is on this kid running the team if Marshall can't play lol.



They need Hairston as a backup scorer, so I can't see anyone else playing the point other than this kid.

[RoyceDa59]

A. Davis / Bargnani / Valanciunas / E. Davis / Johnson is a very good, young and talented big man rotation with versatility, length and size. Anthony Davis is a monster on the defensive end and he will probably be one of the league's best shot blocker/paint protectors right out of the gate. Drafting a big man of his caliber will help accelerate the rebuild tremendously.

[fredericklove]

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Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night.

It's scary to see him driving right every single possession in late stretch. he literally calls a pick, goes right, calls another pick mins after, go right and on and on. The kid only went left once in the final 8 mins of the game I saw several days ago. Put Battier on him in nba, he can absolutely lock him up real bad like how he did on Tyreke (same thing too Reke doesn't drive left).

[Rapsfan07]

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Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night.

It's scary to see him driving right every single possession in late stretch. he literally calls a pick, goes right, calls another pick mins after, go right and on and on. The kid only went left once in the final 8 mins of the game I saw several days ago. Put Battier on him in nba, he can absolutely lock him up real bad like how he did on Tyreke (same thing too Reke doesn't drive left).

Exactly. Not much versatility there. He's not the greatest defender either but has shown that he can be clutch and put up points in a hurry. I think for him it's going to come down to what team drafts him and the situation he lands in.

[Rapsfan07]

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Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night.

It's scary to see him driving right every single possession in late stretch. he literally calls a pick, goes right, calls another pick mins after, go right and on and on. The kid only went left once in the final 8 mins of the game I saw several days ago. Put Battier on him in nba, he can absolutely lock him up real bad like how he did on Tyreke (same thing too Reke doesn't drive left).

Exactly. Not much versatility there. He's not the greatest defender either but has shown that he can be clutch and put up points in a hurry. He's also not very efficient as a scorer at this point is career. I think for him it's going to come down to what team drafts him and the situation he lands in.

[MEDIC]

Again.......what is Beal's ceiling?

Everyone is raving, but I'm not seeing a star player. Is it because he actually has some skill & most of these other guys are raw as hell?

If you think Beal has a Brandon Roy type ceiling, then I'm all ears.

Anything lower......he's not gonna help us that much.

[Los Manos]

If I'm BC and have a top 5 pick and Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb & Harrison Barnes are off the board, I trade out and look to make a Rondo, Gay, etc...deal. Beal is the one I would be on the fence on as far as whether his value is enough not to pursue a significant upgrade through trade. I don't see enough potential right now.

Davis, Lamb & Barnes are the three players I see with the most realistic chance of being upper echelon impact players with all-star potential. If i'm not getting one of them and another team dangles an all-star talent for trade, then we should pursue that.

[Parataxis]

There is a big difference between A Davis and JV

Davis is a shotblocking freak, at a level that can only come from a truly special vision and basketball IQ, like Duncan level smarts defensively. JV gets blocks because he has a length advantage over his league and is very active.

Davis is playing against teenagers, while Val is playing against grown men, and you're saying that Val is the one getting blocks because of his length advantage?

Davis is a stud, no doubt, but I don't see why you need to underrate Val's smarts - the kid has skill in spades.

They said the same thing about Darko, I take accomplished college player over any hyped European prospect... at the end of the day College prospects are safe pick while European prospect are 50/50 with exception of Gasol,and Dirk...

Yes, 'cause college players never become busts. *cough*Morrison*cough*

[fredericklove]

Again.......what is Beal's ceiling?

Everyone is raving, but I'm not seeing a star player. Is it because he actually has some skill & most of these other guys are raw as hell?

If you think Beal has a Brandon Roy type ceiling, then I'm all ears.

Anything lower......he's not gonna help us that much.

He's gonna help us alot and alot (scoring and defending). I won't say He's B-Roy type ceiling but he's got alot of great tools as a 2 and one legit tool he has is the good passing skill in half-court play, its a great benefit cos we can slide him to 1 in occasion, as you already know, our team is full of guards who can't make a god damn pass other than Jose but even Jose is more like a p&r or die trying type. Beal has a sneaky explosive steps where he gets into the lane and his court vision can help find open guys. You tell me that won't help the team much?

Despite the low % 3 point line, scouts have all talked about his textbook shooting form and good elevation so that jumpshot can develop better in the NBA through shooting coach. We need a prospect who has that ability to knock down 3 pointers and Beal does that and having all around skills on top of that, so what's not great about Beal then? For someone with all around skills that Beal has, it'd be a very good asset to have. He'll fit perfectly with Casey's cut/screen/pick&roll system.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

If I'm BC and have a top 5 pick and Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb & Harrison Barnes are off the board, I trade out and look to make a Rondo, Gay, etc...deal. Beal is the one I would be on the fence on as far as whether his value is enough not to pursue a significant upgrade through trade. I don't see enough potential right now.

Davis, Lamb & Barnes are the three players I see with the most realistic chance of being upper echelon impact players with all-star potential. If i'm not getting one of them and another team dangles an all-star talent for trade, then we should pursue that.

Absolutely, I agree, although I keep flip-flopping back-and-forth on Beal and Lamb. I like both quite a bit, and so, one day I might be in favor of Beal, the next day, it may be Lamb, so at the end of the day, I'd be fine with either of them.

Rudy Gay is the guy I'd be very tempted to deal the pick for, if it's not Anthony Davis. I figure Gay, at 25-26 is just entering his prime years similar to Bargnani, and basically, chances are Barnes and Lamb, at their best, might not be the player a prime Gay could be. I guess I've seen Gay kill us too many times to not be so tempted by him , hopefully I'm not sounding as if I'm overrating him.