Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[Rejected]

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

[Parataxis]

Bargs is not getting two lottery picks.

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

[Rejected]

Bargs is not getting two lottery picks.

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

Who knows, Portland is not in a rebuild more like a retool. Gerald Wallace was traded for a high lottery pic. Bargs is a 7 footer and potential all-star on a reasonable contract. I think they would think about it.

[fredericklove]

Bargs is not getting two lottery picks.

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

If Bargs get us 2 lottery picks, I think Dwight can get triple or more and more of that for the Magic.

[sunny]

some college players are so incredibly stupid. Time after time they display a complete lack of understanding of timing in key moments.

Such morons. Coaches need to dedicate time educating their team what to do in end of game situations and how to deal with the clock.

[fredericklove]

Who knows, Portland is not in a rebuild more like a retool. Gerald Wallace was traded for a high lottery pic. Bargs is a 7 footer and potential all-star on a reasonable contract. I think they would think about it.

We all know. We all know this is not going to happen. Why would Portland retool by getting Bargs (26-27 yr old) when they can retool a top pick and a late lottery pick, which are both younger and talented. More than that, Bargs doesn't even fit into Blazer's lineup, they need a good wing (SG) upgrade over matthews which they can find with the 4-7 range and a good point guard/centre which they can get in late lottery pick. Getting Bargs which is not a great rebounder for their team and having Aldridge as the primary scorer of the team, why do they need another scorer at centre who happens to be allergic to rebounding? It doesn't make sense. We have Bargs as 4 for the same reason cos he can't play Centre. Blazers prolly know it by now too and they always pair Aldridge with a rebounding big man C, this is why they had Camby in the first place.

I'd take this line up (younger, more potential in the next 5-7 years)

Centre
Aldridge
Batum
Lamb/Beal
Point guard

more than a lineup of this

Barg
Aldridge
Batum
SG
PG

[Rapsfan07]

Bargs does not net you two lotto picks. It's just not going to happen. Even though Portland is in re-tool mode, they need a big that can defend the post. LMA is a PF and is Bargnani. And they both play much better at their respective positions. LMA is the better PF IMO.

I've heard suggestion about dealing the pick. I'm down with it but it depends on who. Not for Gay and not for Rondo. If we're dealing it, it needs to be dealt for a young good player on a rookie deal. Remember people, we are trying to build a contender. When you trade high picks for not so young players on long big deals, you limit yourself hugely. First of all., years of that players prime will be spend trying to build a team around them and secondly, building around them will be difficult because of the size of their salary. Also, you make your window smaller when you bring in older players as core pieces who again, will lose time off their prime because of the time it will take to build around them. Players like Gay and Rondo put us right back on the treadmill we just hopped off of.

As a matter of fact, I really like this draft so unless we're getting Paul George, I'd rather not trade out of this draft completely. But I would be open to a trade down. That way, we can still get a good player and pick up assets on the way down (younger players, more picks etc). I'm a fan of building properly. No quick moves. The quick moves get you rebuilding quickly. Bulls and OKC didn't rush, why do we need to?

[dTox]

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

Portland already has LA as their franchise PF, they're not Colangalo stupid to try a combo of Bargs and an established Allstar Forward

[Rejected]

If Raps win the lottery we Draft A.Davis.

Then if New Jerseys pick is 5 it goes to Portland. Portland would then have 5 and 11.

We trade Bargs for 5 and 11

Draft Beal/Lamb at 5

Trade 11 and Derozen to the Hornets for #3

Draft Barnes / Gilchrist

Line up
Val
A.Davis
Barnes/Gilchrist
Beal/Lamb
Bayless

Jizz

Portland already has LA as their franchise PF, they're not Colangalo stupid to try a combo of Bargs and an established Allstar Forward

Ya but still...

[Rapsfan07]

Who knows, Portland is not in a rebuild more like a retool. Gerald Wallace was traded for a high lottery pic. Bargs is a 7 footer and potential all-star on a reasonable contract. I think they would think about it.

We all know. We all know this is not going to happen. Why would Portland retool by getting Bargs (26-27 yr old) when they can retool a top pick and a late lottery pick, which are both younger and talented. More than that, Bargs doesn't even fit into Blazer's lineup, they need a good wing (SG) upgrade over matthews which they can find with the 4-7 range and a good point guard/centre which they can get in late lottery pick. Getting Bargs which is not a great rebounder for their team and having Aldridge as the primary scorer of the team, why do they need another scorer at centre who happens to be allergic to rebounding? It doesn't make sense. We have Bargs as 4 for the same reason cos he can't play Centre. Blazers prolly know it by now too and they always pair Aldridge with a rebounding big man C, this is why they had Camby in the first place.

I'd take this line up (younger, more potential in the next 5-7 years)

Centre
Aldridge
Batum
Lamb/Beal
Point guard

more than a lineup of this

Barg
Aldridge
Batum
SG
PG

I agree man. I think Okafor would be a hell of a fit there but the money would be a lot. Still, if I were Portland, I'd make the call. Batum, Alderidge and Okafor is a great frontcourt. They could go Lamb with their late first and deal the higher one for Rondo or another PG who would fit.

Rondo
Lamb
Batum
Aldridge
Okafor

Matthews and Crawford can be dealt fairly easily and they've got a tonne of capspace to fill out the bench and stuff. I think Matthews would be a great fit for Minnesota and they're looking for a SG. He's a good player and defender on a cheap, manageable deal. Something around Beasley or Wesley Johnson for Matthews would be good for both teams.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Portland owes like $27 mil next season in salary, assuming Crawford opts out and they renounce a couple bums. Batum has a tiny QO. Could they sign Deron and/or a C and still have two firsts and three 2nds to play with? And Wes Matthews is great at SG, things just went sour with Nate. Portland is in fantastic shape at 2/3/4 and overall.

[Tough Tony D]

That other poster posted this on his thread, I'm definitely going to watch this on my phone tonight. Can't wait to see MKG's personality on this clip.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGQJV8iHjk[/youtube]

Just finished watching. Hope struggling in big games isnt a pattern for MKG (if you consider HS ball really that important). Sad about his dad and uncle. I knew it before that, but its crazy that the camera crew was following them all the while. Definetly still want him, and wish him success, seems like a great, great kid.

[Undefeated]

I'd stay away from Kendall Marshall unless it's a late first. A great pass first PG but he looks like Jose Calderon to me. I think that's what he'll be on the next level. I think his offense will improve but I doubt he'll ever been a great defensive player and doesn't have the quickness to get by his defender. Very smart though so like I said I'm thinking Calderon.

Kendall Marshall's approach to the game as a lead guard to look for his teammates first and foremost might mirror Jose Calderon, but his skills and game play doesn't remotely resemble Jose Calderon, at all. We're talking about a PG with phenomenal passing skills and court vision. Throwing a pinpoint 25-foot pass down the court racing past every defender down the floor with the exceptional turnover is something not every PG can do. Watching him darting outlet passes perfectly into his teammates' hands is a rare skill. His lack of athleticism is exaggerated. What he brings to the table from a skills standpoint severely negates that. He's got the strength and size to combat being slightly less athletic than others. I just can't get over the fact that his passing is very much like Rajon Rondo knowing where and how his teammates like to catch the ball. That skill is innate. He does this all on the move with very little process time.

It's nice to have a quick and nifty PG, but I think it's overrated. The game is all about screen-and-rolls. With a good screen, any PG can set two feet in the painted area to beat their initial defender. It's just knowing how to bait your defender into the space the pick is occupying. Jose Calderon and Steve Nash can get into the paint. There are plenty of PGs more explosive than the two and it hasn't exactly done a few of them wonders. I'll take a player that can shoot and pass over a simply athletic PG with no skills. Defensively, strength and size are far more important physical traits to contain the dribble-drive up front. A PG like Kendall Marshall with his size and strength can steer the offensive player into the help defense when they're trying to drive into his body only bouncing away.

[Saciid11]

We already have Derozen, we don't need another project at the wing... either Anthony Davis or you draft more complete wings who can create on their own at the offensive end like Barnes or Lamb ...

my mistake for not highliting my remarks green. He seems like he's kinda clueless and not really the BC type of guy. Frankly I think the Demar project needs to end and therefore draft an sg that can shoot and facilitate, so i'm all for drafting Lamb or Beale.

Our #1 pick gets 6 years to show that he belongs in this league, our 9th pick gets three years to show that he belong in this league and to be frank he has shown more in three years then our #1 pick has shown in 6 years. Demar might not be superstar, but I'm more then confident in the right system with his work ethic he can be an all star and will keep on improving.
Demar is not BC type of guys, like Bosh...Demar has work ethic, he is not lazy like our 7ft 3pt shooting bigman who seems to be BC type of guy.

[U_Mad]

This would be how I see the 2012 draft board groupings for most teams on draft night for the first 15 or so picks (and then in the order that I would draft them). I'm not one to get too excited or down on a prospect because of their tournament play. You can only use it to reinforce the positives or negatives of a player that your team has already scouted their entire career already. So here goes, let me know your thoughts:


Anthony Davis


Jeremy Lamb
Thomas Robinson
Harrison Barnes
Bradley Beal


Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Jared Sullinger
Andre Drummond

John Henson
Austin Rivers
Myers Leonard
Kendall Marshall


Terrence Jones
Damian Lillard
Perry Jones
Quincy Miller
Tony Wroten

Interesting list.

I think you have Lamb way too high. I'd go with Beal over Lamb every time. But other than that the first two tiers and Anthony Davis looks good. I personally have never really understood the hype around Gilchrist and so personally I'd draft Drummond and have a better shot at franchise big than take Gilchrist. He's a hard worker and a good defender but he gets mostly "garbage points" if you know what I mean. I don't know if that's what I want at the top half of the lottery personally. Same thing for Henson. I don't think he's got the offense of a PF and will lack the body to have any significant immediate defensive impact on the game..certainly not like the one he's having in college. He could bulk up and play C. I think he could be the next Marcus Camby.

Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night. I'd stay away from Kendall Marshall unless it's a late first. A great pass first PG but he looks like Jose Calderon to me. I think that's what he'll be on the next level. I think his offense will improve but I doubt he'll ever been a great defensive player and doesn't have the quickness to get by his defender. Very smart though so like I said I'm thinking Calderon.

I also think you have Perry Jones and Quincy Miller too low. And I think Zeller is alright too. I'd take Zeller over Terrence Jones.

I personally love Zeller...hes a jack of all trades...runs the floor amazingly, smooth at the line, can bury the 15-18 foot jumper, good rebounder, has a mean streak in the paint and will manhandle any mismatches and will take a plethora of charges..and the funny thing is that UNC usually don't give him as many touches in the 2nd half as they should but he still can rack up the points...he will be a solid starter/1st big man off the bench depending on the team that drafts him

[Rapsfan07]

This would be how I see the 2012 draft board groupings for most teams on draft night for the first 15 or so picks (and then in the order that I would draft them). I'm not one to get too excited or down on a prospect because of their tournament play. You can only use it to reinforce the positives or negatives of a player that your team has already scouted their entire career already. So here goes, let me know your thoughts:


Anthony Davis


Jeremy Lamb
Thomas Robinson
Harrison Barnes
Bradley Beal


Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Jared Sullinger
Andre Drummond

John Henson
Austin Rivers
Myers Leonard
Kendall Marshall


Terrence Jones
Damian Lillard
Perry Jones
Quincy Miller
Tony Wroten

Interesting list.

I think you have Lamb way too high. I'd go with Beal over Lamb every time. But other than that the first two tiers and Anthony Davis looks good. I personally have never really understood the hype around Gilchrist and so personally I'd draft Drummond and have a better shot at franchise big than take Gilchrist. He's a hard worker and a good defender but he gets mostly "garbage points" if you know what I mean. I don't know if that's what I want at the top half of the lottery personally. Same thing for Henson. I don't think he's got the offense of a PF and will lack the body to have any significant immediate defensive impact on the game..certainly not like the one he's having in college. He could bulk up and play C. I think he could be the next Marcus Camby.

Rivers is good. Not sure if a lottery pick good but I could see a team choosing him there on draft night. I'd stay away from Kendall Marshall unless it's a late first. A great pass first PG but he looks like Jose Calderon to me. I think that's what he'll be on the next level. I think his offense will improve but I doubt he'll ever been a great defensive player and doesn't have the quickness to get by his defender. Very smart though so like I said I'm thinking Calderon.

I also think you have Perry Jones and Quincy Miller too low. And I think Zeller is alright too. I'd take Zeller over Terrence Jones.

I personally love Zeller...hes a jack of all trades...runs the floor amazingly, smooth at the line, can bury the 15-18 foot jumper, good rebounder, has a mean streak in the paint and will manhandle any mismatches and will take a plethora of charges..and the funny thing is that UNC usually don't give him as many touches in the 2nd half as they should but he still can rack up the points...he will be a solid starter/1st big man off the bench depending on the team that drafts him

I agree. I wouldn't be happy if he's the BPA where we're drafting but I think he's highly underrated. I don't see All-Star although anything could happen but he's going to one of those guys who are in the league for a long time. Just a solid, solid player. Great rebounder, a pretty good defender, runs the floor well and is tough. He's got legit starter potential and I think he'd be a good fit for the Jazz. Or maybe even New Orleans.

[Rapsfan07]

I'd stay away from Kendall Marshall unless it's a late first. A great pass first PG but he looks like Jose Calderon to me. I think that's what he'll be on the next level. I think his offense will improve but I doubt he'll ever been a great defensive player and doesn't have the quickness to get by his defender. Very smart though so like I said I'm thinking Calderon.

Kendall Marshall's approach to the game as a lead guard to look for his teammates first and foremost might mirror Jose Calderon, but his skills and game play doesn't remotely resemble Jose Calderon, at all. We're talking about a PG with phenomenal passing skills and court vision. Throwing a pinpoint 25-foot pass down the court racing past every defender down the floor with the exceptional turnover is something not every PG can do. Watching him darting outlet passes perfectly into his teammates' hands is a rare skill. His lack of athleticism is exaggerated. What he brings to the table from a skills standpoint severely negates that. He's got the strength and size to combat being slightly less athletic than others. I just can't get over the fact that his passing is very much like Rajon Rondo knowing where and how his teammates like to catch the ball. That skill is innate. He does this all on the move with very little process time.

It's nice to have a quick and nifty PG, but I think it's overrated. The game is all about screen-and-rolls. With a good screen, any PG can set two feet in the painted area to beat their initial defender. It's just knowing how to bait your defender into the space the pick is occupying. Jose Calderon and Steve Nash can get into the paint. There are plenty of PGs more explosive than the two and it hasn't exactly done a few of them wonders. I'll take a player that can shoot and pass over a simply athletic PG with no skills. Defensively, strength and size are far more important physical traits to contain the dribble-drive up front. A PG like Kendall Marshall with his size and strength can steer the offensive player into the help defense when they're trying to drive into his body only bouncing away.

Even in your description, he still sounds a lot like Jose Calderon when he first came here. But I will agree with you that he's a better passer in transition and half court than Calderon is. He does have a special gift for putting the ball in the exact perfect spot.

However, I think he will still struggle defensively in the NBA. I'm not a fan purely athletes wither to be honest..I'm much prefer skill. But I don't think he's got what it takes defensively. He's just not that quick on his feet. I think/hope is bigger body and strength helps but at this point his lateral quicks aren't that good. Neither is his offense but he's definitely picked it up. I think he will be a good offensive player and has shown an improvement in his shooting stroke. But again, I think like Calderon he'll struggle getting into the paint and become a perimeter oriented PG. Not a bad thing, not a great thing.

Actually I think he'll fit like a glove is Sacremento. They need a guy like him desperately.

Marshall/Evans/SF (Barnes)/PF/Cousins would be a great young team to watch. Ed Davis would be a great fit beside Cousins and would be a nice PnR option to work with Marshall.

[ty123]

Draft Beal and S&T Bayless.

[drew_8730]

if james mcadoo declares and were in the 5-8 range is he an option for raptors at small forward?

[fredericklove]

if james mcadoo declares and were in the 5-8 range is he an option for raptors at small forward?

Next year sure, this year hell no. He's not ready yet. He's not a SF, and he plays like a power forward.