Toronto needs a winner

Truthrising · Post #41 » by **Truthrising** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:09 pm

Who cares about the Jays, their management is pure garbage and have no guts to go after big name free agents such as Darvish and Fielder, it kinda shows how much of an influence Rogers has in terms of penny pinching. I actually feel sorry for the fans who still blindly follow them.

Hyperglide · Post #42 » by **Hyperglide** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:12 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
want win build like ... Memphis ...

Good thing we beat the Grizz.

Little OT but I just wanted to say I love your avatar. Azealia Banks is sick, wicked and nasty.

sanity · Post #43 » by **sanity** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:16 pm

I wouldn't say the Jays management is garbage, but Rogers is hampering their spending situation to legitimately compete in their division. In any other division I think they would be much closer to a perennial playoffs type of team. As far as the Leafs/Raptors goes, we're usually top 10 or top 15, so the money is there... just stupid decisions are constantly made

Jonn · Post #44 » by **Jonn** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:20 pm

Don't understand why people want to draft another player that can't shoot. MKG is not an option in my opinion. Unless DeRozan is being replaced for someone who cans shoot.

HomieOmey · Post #45 » by **HomieOmey** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:34 pm

Of course we need a "winner," but so many players have been overrated because they were "winners." Jose was a winner in Spain, we saw how heated Bargnani got when he recently re-injured himself. Both have been pretty happy and relaxed to take the last shot. We've also seen guys like Bayless, Amir, and James Johnson show quite a bit of heart this season. I think we have quite a few players who we would be happy to add if we were watching them with any other contender or playoff team. We're just missing that elite talent to put it all together, so of course I'd be willing to offer up some collection of our assets if it guaranteed us one we could confidently move forward with.

LieCheatSteal · Post #46 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:09 pm

I think Toronto will eventually get a winner. As long as each team remains patient and not make panic moves to appease its fanbase. For the Raps, they need to avoid bending over backward to individual "star" players because fans like him. If the Raps didn't trade away Oakley to make Carter happy, I think Carter's career would have been more successful. He pretty much lost the only person that made him accountable when he left. If the Raps didn't sign Turk or pick up O'Neal but instead just traded away Bosh because he was pretty much a big fish in a small pond here, this franchise would have been more further along in its rebuild (Bosh could have been moved for Noah/Deng at the deadline the year he left).

It's terrible having no winners in Toronto. However, fans have to be a little patient. If not, franchises will get sloppy and pull triggers when the team isn't ready for big moves yet. Remember BJ Ryan and AJ Burnett? Remember Olajowan in Toronto?

Dr Positivity · Post #47 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:26 am

The Jays will be the next Toronto contender. AA knows what he's doing, we've gotten a few breaks with Bautista and Lawrie, etc. I think sometime in the next 2 years they make a FA splash and then become a contender

kwamebargnani · Post #48 » by **kwamebargnani** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:47 am

They need talent.

Rejected · Post #49 » by **Rejected** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:51 am

It's insane that all Toronto teams are so bad. We are a world class city with a GREAT fan base. We should be in the playoffs every year in all our sports, except baseball because the playoff system is stupid. I don't know what the answer is but I just hope I live to see a decade of competitive sports in Toronto, we DESERVE IT!

TM85 · Post #50 » by **TM85** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:15 am

Rejected wrote:It's insane that all Toronto teams are so bad. We are a world class city with a GREAT fan base. We should be in the playoffs every year in all our sports, except baseball because the playoff system is stupid. I don't know what the answer is but I just hope I live to see a decade of competitive sports in Toronto, we DESERVE IT!

Its not as easy as you make it seem, every team in the league is competing for the same thing and yes Toronto is a world class city but for whatever reason its not a great city for attracting elite pro athletes.

Like it or not we are always going to be the underdog to the big market teams in the US.

witnessraps · Post #51 » by **witnessraps** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:44 am

We're basically doing what Memphis did...they were bad for several years before they became good. This building through the draft thing takes patience. One thing I'm confident is that we have a very good coach, and despite all the hate he gets around here, I'm confident with BC. Plus Memphis was able to get Randolph in a trade, we'll be able to pull of something similar with our flexibilty.

CarmeloAnfernee · Post #52 » by **CarmeloAnfernee** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:32 am

UstaadJi wrote:

I really hope we don't draft this guy just because of how weird he looks

peja drobnjak · Post #53 » by **peja drobnjak** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:49 am

if it's any consolation he's probably gonna shave that unibrow when he gets to the nba

illestplaya · Post #54 » by **illestplaya** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:27 am

Vin-Baker6 wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:You don't watch Raptors basketball if you dare to utter the words soft and JJ in the same sentence.
JJ is at best a 8th man on a contender. My bad about soft, if your reffering to his cute blackbelt.
You watch too much raptors ball looool, overrating scrubs.
O my bad ozzy, shoulda not been so mean to Jose lol

I dont think he means his black belt, although it is bad ass. I think the fact that he plays hard, defends his man, blocks ****....and I'm not talking about that weak change the direction of the ball block...i mean BLOCKS ****. One of the hardest working players on the team and by far its best defender. So I come to the conclusion that you do not watch basketball, or you do know basketball.

whoknows · Post #55 » by **whoknows** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:34 am

There is a theory that as long as suckers spend $$$ for overpriced tickets to watch subpar teams, these teams will never improve.

LLJ · Post #56 » by **LLJ** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:53 pm

bigdirty wrote:Just as the Clippers were the joke team of the 80s and 90s, we're becoming the joke team of the new generation. That's really one of the saddest things surrounding this franchise.

Toronto is too irrelevant to Americans to be considered a joke team. The Clippers had the benefit of playing in LA to be fresh in people's minds. I think Toronto fans only WISH they were considered jokes, because that would mean they are still relevant, if only negatively.

The truth is, 90% of the American media don't even think about us. And I personally couldn't care less anyway.

Indeed · Post #57 » by **Indeed** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:09 pm

Saciid11 wrote:With the exception of Mavs has any team ever won with soft big who doesn't defend, rebound, and doesn't play the post... no. If Raps want to be playoff team and winning team they need bigs that play like bigs and wing players that can create their own shots. I want to see my sg/sf taking 20 shots a night from the outside, creating of the dribble, making plays for the bigs inside the post... I want to see C/PF playing the post, getting shots max 15ft outside of the post, shoting high percentage from the field, defending the post, rebounding, anchoring the defense... allot like how the Memphis play with Zach randolph and Mark Gasol. If this team is built like that we will not only win, but we will potential be among best teams like Memphis who I see as sleepers in the West...especially in the playoff were they have advantage upfront...

want win build like ... Memphis ...

Miami Heats. Ok, maybe not yet.
By the way, Dirk isn't soft, he just doesn't know how to defend (just like Amare).

Bankai · Post #58 » by **Bankai** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:26 pm

Toronto doesent want a winner, nor do they deserve one. If the recent survey that was all over twitter, the paper and radio was any indication. Here was the question: "What would you rather have, a Leafs playoff appearance even if it meant getting swept as the 8th seed, or the Raptors winning the NBA Championship?"

And guess what the response was? The majority chose the Leafs getting swept over the Raptors winning the Championship. They would rather have the Leafs just say that they were in the playoffs and lose, then the Raptors going all the way to an NBA Title. If the Raptors win a title, they are obviously a very good team right? Oh yea forget that, lets have Phil Kessel lead us nowhere instead, its much better.

Thats when you know the overall Sports Fanbase is a joke in Toronto and we (including me) deserve anything we get. People may show up to a Raptors or Jays playoff game but they honestly dont care about them at all. They are not in it for the Basketball or the Baseball, they are in it just to say they were in it. Being part of what feels like an Event is the selling point than the Event itself (hello TFC).

Hyperglide · Post #59 » by **Hyperglide** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:10 pm

Aren't they changing the playoff structure in MLB to allow for more wildcards and thus more teams making it to the post-season and more potential upsets? I think the Jays are a good enough team that they could grab a 2nd wildcard.

LLJ · Post #60 » by **LLJ** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:57 am

Bankai wrote:Toronto doesent want a winner, nor do they deserve one. If the recent survey that was all over twitter, the paper and radio was any indication. Here was the question: "What would you rather have, a Leafs playoff appearance even if it meant getting swept as the 8th seed, or the Raptors winning the NBA Championship?"

And guess what the response was? The majority chose the Leafs getting swept over the Raptors winning the Championship. They would rather have the Leafs just say that they were in the playoffs and lose, then the Raptors going all the way to an NBA Title. If the Raptors win a title, they are obviously a very good team right? Oh yea forget that, lets have Phil Kessel lead us nowhere instead, its much better.

Thats when you know the overall Sports Fanbase is a joke in Toronto and we (including me) deserve anything we get.

Don't blame all Toronto sports fans, those are just the 75% puckheads. This just fuels the fire that the 25% or so Toronto sports fans who aren't diehard Leafs fans have more ammo to ridicule the stupidity of puckheads.