2012 NBA Draft - Part II

[Mizerooskie]

on nbadraft.net They have Thomas Robinson going number 10. Why is his stock so low? He was a beast this year in my opinon. http://www.nbadraft.net/

They've also got Drummond and Lamb going 2-3, so I wouldn't put too much stock into it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Drummond fell out of the top 10.

[MBash721]

Jared Sullinger really not looking like himself the past few games- you have to wonder if his back is bothering him, and he may have just rolled his ankle.

From the Wiz perspective you want to see as many guys as possible start to pick up their game and improve the draft- Anthony Davis and Thomas Robinson definitely have, Sullinger for whatever reason hasn't.

FYI

for anyone interested in Sullinger

its hard to evaluate him this season because he's been playing most of the year with a painful foot injury... He's always been a below the rim player, but its made him even less explosive

he's still been good for 17/9 per game or so, but hes been really battling this season just to stay on the court for his team

for my own pleasure as a fan, I'm hoping Sullinger ends up in Cleveland or Washington.... both got stud PGs for the next 10 years

[queridiculo]

For a lottery pick I simply don't like the lack of explosiveness with Sullinger. He's too floor bound, and with his lack of length I'm worried about how well his game will translate to the pros.

[closg00]

They should use their second round pick on a shooter, i dont care whether it is a 2, 3 or 4. Get some shooters in here.

Any chance we can parlay Vesely/Singleton for a mid first? I was hoping at least one of them would show some semblance of a developing shot or offensive skill set but i just don't see it happening.

Zero chance.

[truwizfan4evr]

For a lottery pick I simply don't like the lack of explosiveness with Sullinger. He's too floor bound, and with his lack of length I'm worried about how well his game will translate to the pros.

He reminds me of Kevin love some what of the same skills set.

[Ruzious]

Does anyone like Arnett Moultre? I haven't heard his name come much in these threads often. Can anyone explain his game to me?

The problem with him is that he doesn't have a game. At this point, he relies on his impressive athleticism. He's a good dunker, but he's basically got no moves, and in the NBA - you can't by just doing alley-oops. And he looks exactly like Rashard Lewis. He does have a lot of physical ability and the frame to fill out some.

[Ruzious]

CJ Leslie is making a little name for himself in the tournament. He has no position in the NBA yet but he has a lot of potential. I'd like to see him stay another year and choose which position he wants to develop in.

Dion Waiters is the best shooting guard in college basketball and if you don't believe it ask him.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfV68jgOnI[/youtube]
He doesn't wow me with anything. He's a two way player and he's really effective on both sides of the court. Due to his physical limitations I'm going to predict he'll be the Kenneth Faried of this upcoming draft. A player during his rookie season where it becomes obvious he's going to be better than a lot of players drafted ahead of him.

Leslie just doesn't have an NBA body - He makes Henson look like Mr. Universe by comparison. And he doesn't have close to the skills to play the 3. I don't see him playing in the NBA.

I like Beal better than Waiters, but I'd take Waiters over UConn Lamb.

Does it matter that CJ Leslie and John Wall were HS teammates?

I doubt there will be another player like Faried for at least the next 5 years. Anthony Davis is better, but who else in this draft is? MKG or Beal have great physical attributes, but right now Faried has a PER of 23.6. Leslie is not in his category. Nobody else in this draft is, either--except Anthony Davis.

MKG will take a while.

I assume you meant Crowder; not Faried. Like I said in a post last year, I thought you would like Crowder - since he's got a similar look - with his hair and body type - to Faried.

Why would it matter that Leslie and Wall were HS teammates?

[7-Day Dray]

I disagree with Leslie not playing in the NBA. I could easily see a team taking a shot o his athleticism, and he's improved a lot from last year. I think he'll be a 1st round pick when he declares.

[Ruzious]

I disagree with Leslie not playing in the NBA. I could easily see a team taking a shot o his athleticism, and he's improved a lot from last year. I think he'll be a 1st round pick when he declares.

At what position? He's got no body and no perimeter skills.

[gesa2]

I'm just not impressed with Harrison Barnes. Smart player, obviously has an NBA body but where's the fire?

But then I read articles like this, and it's like, damn this is exactly the type of kid we need to draft: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/0 ... thing.html

For me, this is the telling quote from that article:

“Harrison is an unusual bird,” North Carolina coach Roy Williams says. “He reminds me of that sculpture, The Thinker. So many kids that I coach are all about basketball, but Harrison’s mind goes off in different directions that most people don’t even think about.”

Probably a nice guy to have dinner with. I'd take someone else with my tip 3 pick though.

[dobrojim]

Barnes hasn't looked like a top 3 or 5 pick to me so far in the tourney.

Hensen looked good yesterday. I still like Zeller. We'll see how
UNC fares if Marshall can't play. Hensen looked much better offensively
than I remember seeing.

Sully didn't look good at all to me. Maybe it is his ankle or foot
or something. Still a serious cause for concern. Against NBA athletes,
I don't see what he is going to do. Aaron Craft looked really good
although against NBA talent, maybe not.

How about Green (MichST) in the 2nd rnd if he falls. That kid does
everything. I wonder if he isn't underrated on DX at 29th. Gotta
like guys who are the opposite of Nick, stat-fillers.

Didn't see the Gators game. Want to see more of Beal.
Didn't see the Baylor game(s). Want to see more of PJIII.
Love Jenkins as another possible 2nd rnd pick.

[tontoz]

Definite no for me on PJIII. He looks like a guy who plays because he is tall and has some talent, not because he really wants to play. I don't see any desire in his play at all, one of the most disinterested top ranked players i can remember.

[Severn Hoos]

Barnes hasn't looked like a top 3 or 5 pick to me so far in the tourney.

Hensen looked good yesterday. I still like Zeller. We'll see how
UNC fares if Marshall can't play. Hensen looked much better offensively
than I remember seeing.

Sully didn't look good at all to me. Maybe it is his ankle or foot
or something. Still a serious cause for concern. Against NBA athletes,
I don't see what he is going to do. Aaron Craft looked really good
although against NBA talent, maybe not.

How about Green (MichST) in the 2nd rnd if he falls. That kid does
everything. I wonder if he isn't underrated on DX at 29th. Gotta
like guys who are the opposite of Nick, stat-fillers.

Didn't see the Gators game. Want to see more of Beal.
Didn't see the Baylor game(s). Want to see more of PJIII.
Love Jenkins as another possible 2nd rnd pick.

Lots of really strong possibilities for that pick at 32/33:
John Jenkins
Doron Lamb
Jae Crowder
Draymond Green
Fab Melo
Festus Ezeli
..and plenty more, there will be some good players there - plus another chance to take a flyer with the mavs pick (currently #49)

I've been a Sullinger supporter (OK, that didn't sound so good), and I'm less inclined to draft him in the wake of the Nene trade. But still, I think he's sometimes criticized unfairly. The primary reason I say this is that he has spent almost all of his minutes this year (and last) at C, out of necessity for his team. So, while a lot of the other top PF prospects have the luxury of going against college PFs, he's had to go against college Cs (some/many of whom will be PFs in the NBA, if they make it there).

I just think he's had a better preparation to play in the NBA than some other PF prospects who have been going up against many guys who will probably be SFs in the NBA. And, I think the injury has affected him as well. I guess time will tell....

[DCZards]

These are the telling quotes for me from the article about Harrison Barnes:

“I’ve adopted a work ethic established by my mom,” Harrison says. “Just watching her being a single parent and fighting through a lot of problems. She was always instilling in me being humble, but working hard.”

“When Harrison first got to Carolina as a freshman we would play pickup at 11 o’clock every night and then he would stay and work out until 2 or 3 in the morning even though we’d have to wake up at 6:30 for weights,” Marshall says. “Honestly, I thought something was wrong with him. But the last thing you want to do as a competitor is to be outworked, so he’s definitely led the rest of us through his example.”

[REDardWIZskin]

Hensen has a McGee like bball IQ, has has done some very silly things, ok maybe not as bad as McGee, but I see people on here harping enough about bringing in IQ players to know that Hensen is not what you'd want with any of our picks. unless he's there in the second rd. Which he won't be.

How tall is CJ McCollum from Lehigh, Ford tweeted this week that if he was 3 inches taller he would be a lottery pick. I watched him in both games and I was very impressed. He has a smoothness to his game reminiscent of paul peirce where he uses change of pace and a solid controlled handle to finish or find his teamates. He's listed at 6'3 on nbadraft.net but that could be generous

[Ruzious]

Hensen has a McGee like bball IQ, has has done some very silly things, ok maybe not as bad as McGee, but I see people on here harping enough about bringing in IQ players to know that Hensen is not what you'd want with any of our picks. unless he's there in the second rd. Which he won't be.

How tall is CJ McCollum from Lehigh, Ford tweeted this week that if he was 3 inches taller he would be a lottery pick. I watched him in both games and I was very impressed. He has a smoothness to his game reminiscent of paul peirce where he uses change of pace and a solid controlled handle to finish or find his teamates. He's listed at 6'3 on nbadraft.net but that could be generous

I've seen a lot of UNC games the last 3 years, and I couldn't disagree with you more on comparing Hensen to McGee. Henson has things to work on - especially FT shooting, but he's not a low BBIQ guy.

[truwizfan4evr]

We all talking about whom we want as are first round pick. I just got this gut
feeling the wizards will pick Barnes. is kind of hard to look at other prospect for

the Wizards. Almost like I'm expecting Ernie to pick Harrison Barnes if we

happen to the second threw fifth pick over all. He wouldn't necessary be a

bad pick for washington. I just think there are better players in this draft then Barnes.

[dobrojim]

Lots of really strong possibilities for that pick at 32/33:
John Jenkins
Doron Lamb
Jae Crowder
Draymond Green
Fab Melo
Festus Ezeli
..and plenty more, there will be some good players there - plus another chance to take a flyer with the mavs pick (currently #49)

I've been a Sullinger supporter (OK, that didn't sound so good), and I'm less inclined to draft him in the wake of the Nene trade. But still, I think he's sometimes criticized unfairly. The primary reason I say this is that he has spent almost all of his minutes this year (and last) at C, out of necessity for his team. So, while a lot of the other top PF prospects have the luxury of going against college PFs, he's had to go against college Cs (some/many of whom will be PFs in the NBA, if they make it there).

I just think he's had a better preparation to play in the NBA than some other PF prospects who have been going up against many guys who will probably be SFs in the NBA. And, I think the injury has affected him as well. I guess time will tell....

What you say certainly should be taken into account when thinking about Sully.
But I think you qualified it well by saying that many college Cs end up playing
PF in the assoc so Sully really isn't different in that regard than many others.
The real question to me is how explosive he is when he is healthy. Right now
I think NBA big men will shut him down. It is nice that he has some shooting
touch with range though.

[REDardWIZskin]

Ruz, He does a lot of bone headed things, I guess the difference is him actually being a kid still. The most idiotic thing was in a near upset in last years tournament where he almost goaltended an attempt at a game winning shot as they barley won to move on in the tourney.

[Ruzious]

"Almost" goal tending doesn't sound at all idiotic to me. If the most idiotic thing he's done is almost goal tending, I'm not worried about his BBIQ.