Game Thread: Wiz @ Grizz, 6:00 PM EST

tontoz · Post #101 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:24 am

Wall would have an impressive statline if it wasn't for the turnovers. 21/6/6 with 3 blocks and 3 steals.

80sballboy · Post #102 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:29 am

Love John's aggression. This is a very good defensive team he went against and they were just waiting for him to force him to pass out or make a play.

tontoz · Post #103 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:33 am

The Grizzlies average 95 pts on the season, and that is without Randolph since he just came back. With all their best scorers healthy they scored 97 and that is with 27 made foul shots. Not one player on their team shot 50% from the field.

Jimmy Recard · Post #104 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:33 am

Looks like the Memphis stat guy added another turnover to Wall there at the end, just for the hell of it.

TheBigThree · Post #105 » by **TheBigThree** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:42 am

Great tank loss. Wall's turnovers mainly came from being in the air trying to make things happen. Those will go down with time as the offense settles in. Liked what I saw out of Seraphin and we played a good team really hard in their own house on short rest.

Can't wait to see what Nene can do with Wall on the PNR.

dandridge 10 · Post #106 » by **dandridge 10** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:52 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I bitched about the trade but I love the way the team is playing.

Mack is boss out there. He is solid on both ends of the court. Love the way his head is always up and in the game.

Singleton is getting better and better on defense.

Cook isn't somebody I gave a thought, but he's got a Steve Novak-type game.

The Wizards second unit is outplaying the first.

It is addition by subtraction today. No Javale and no Nick--the game has a different flow.

+1. Aside from the shot jacking by Crawford, the ball was moving pretty well and they were playing like a team. I love how Booker and Seraphin play together. This team will be 100 X more fun to watch the rest of the season without the idiotic plays of McGee and one against five play of Young.

llcc25 · Post #107 » by **llcc25** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:03 am

If we can get just 10-12 pts combined from our SF position of Vesely/Singleton we have a shot at winning more than our fair share of games. Is that asking too much??? Even Alonzo Gee has put up 16, 19 and 20 his past 3 games..

ST21 · Post #108 » by **ST21** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:13 am

2nd game in a row where wall has had 0 assists in the 2nd half and played completely out of control.

closg00 · Post #109 » by **closg00** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:27 am

llcc25 wrote:If we can get just 10-12 pts combined from our SF position of Vesely/Singleton we have a shot at winning more than our fair share of games. Is that asking too much??? Even Alonzo Gee has put up 16, 19 and 20 his past 3 games..

THIS^ If we were getting anything close to average production out of those two we win. We need to swap one of their minutes for a guy who can defend and shoot a little. A have more hope for Singleton in this area.

JonathanJoseph · Post #110 » by **JonathanJoseph** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:06 am

LyricalRico wrote:If we could just put Shelvin Mack's head on John Wall's body...

This.

MDStar · Post #111 » by **MDStar** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Didn't see the game but just finished reading the thread and came to a conclusion that I believe a lot of us are being a little to critical on Wall, Vesley and Singleton.

I saw one post where someone said that Wall and his turnovers haven't gotten better since game 1 of the season and another who said that he's regressed. I'm not sure if that's accurate as in the 10 games since the all-star break, here are his numbers:

PPG: 19.5
Shooting %: 48%
APG: 9.1
RPG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
Turnovers Per: 3.5

I think Nate said a few weeks ago that with the amount that John has the ball in his hands, that if he can get his turnovers under 4, we'd be good. Well, on average he's doing that. Plus, with the team he has out there with him and as talented as he is, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that he's deciding to "do to much" instead of passing it to someone who will either miss or pass it back to him. Example: Vesley, Singleton, Blatche, etc.

In regards to the rookies, yes Vesley looks like trash and Singleton looks for the most part worthless but **** , can they at least get one year before we judge them. Not sure it's fair to say that Vesley won't justify his draft position. Look at KS, this time last year the prevailing thought was that he wasn't even worth being drafted in the 2nd rd. Now he's being mentioned as a potential starter. I mean, these kids get better. Give them time. Especially with Vesley, we have no idea what the plan is for him. Is he supposed to develop into a SF, PF, C? We just don't know! And depending on the position, will justify the skill set needed. What happens if in his 3rd year, he adds 10-15 pounds of muscle and starts to play in the mold of Greg Monroe (who can't shoot from the outside, can't really jump and doesn't play the best defense) who most love, would he still not justify his position?

All i'm saying is we have to give these guys time to develop and stop flip flopping on them every single game! It's almost bipolar (no offense).

llcc25 · Post #112 » by **llcc25** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:18 pm

Didn't get to watch the 2nd half where Rudy Gay went off for most of his 27 points. I thought we drafted Singleton in large part b/c he was a stud defensive stopper? What happend?

closg00 · Post #113 » by **closg00** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:50 pm

MDStar wrote:Didn't see the game but just finished reading the thread and came to a conclusion that I believe a lot of us are being a little to critical on Wall, Vesley and Singleton.

I saw one post where someone said that Wall and his turnovers haven't gotten better since game 1 of the season and another who said that he's regressed. I'm not sure if that's accurate as in the 10 games since the all-star break, here are his numbers:

PPG: 19.5
Shooting %: 48%
APG: 9.1
RPG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
Turnovers Per: 3.5

I think Nate said a few weeks ago that with the amount that John has the ball in his hands, that if he can get his turnovers under 4, we'd be good. Well, on average he's doing that. Plus, with the team he has out there with him and as talented as he is, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that he's deciding to "do to much" instead of passing it to someone who will either miss or pass it back to him. Example: Vesley, Singleton, Blatche, etc.

In regards to the rookies, yes Vesley looks like trash and Singleton looks for the most part worthless but **** , can they at least get one year before we judge them. Not sure it's fair to say that Vesley won't justify his draft position. Look at KS, this time last year the prevailing thought was that he wasn't even worth being drafted in the 2nd rd. Now he's being mentioned as a potential starter. I mean, these kids get better. Give them time. Especially with Vesley, we have no idea what the plan is for him. Is he supposed to develop into a SF, PF, C? We just don't know! And depending on the position, will justify the skill set needed. What happens if in his 3rd year, he adds 10-15 pounds of muscle and starts to play in the mold of Greg Monroe (who can't shoot from the outside, can't really jump and doesn't play the best defense) who most love, would he still not justify his position?

All i'm saying is we have to give these guys time to develop and stop flip flopping on them every single game! It's almost bipolar (no offense).

Boy you got that right, shouldn't they have already had a plan for what position he was going to play when they drafted him? They have tried him at 3 positions and he isn't a fit for any of them.

Post #114 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:58 pm

This isn't prezactly rocket science. With an occasional exception, Vesely is a PF, Singleton is a SF, Booker is a PF, Seraphin is a C, Mack is decent as a backup PG, and Wall will be a star if given adequate wing players. It'd be nice if the starting SF could score more than 2 point in over 30 minutes of play.

MDStar · Post #115 » by **MDStar** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:08 pm

closg00 wrote:
MDStar wrote:Didn't see the game but just finished reading the thread and came to a conclusion that I believe a lot of us are being a little to critical on Wall, Vesley and Singleton.

I saw one post where someone said that Wall and his turnovers haven't gotten better since game 1 of the season and another who said that he's regressed. I'm not sure if that's accurate as in the 10 games since the all-star break, here are his numbers:

PPG: 19.5
Shooting %: 48%
APG: 9.1
RPG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
Turnovers Per: 3.5

I think Nate said a few weeks ago that with the amount that John has the ball in his hands, that if he can get his turnovers under 4, we'd be good. Well, on average he's doing that. Plus, with the team he has out there with him and as talented as he is, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that he's deciding to "do to much" instead of passing it to someone who will either miss or pass it back to him. Example: Vesley, Singleton, Blatche, etc.

In regards to the rookies, yes Vesley looks like trash and Singleton looks for the most part worthless but **** , can they at least get one year before we judge them. Not sure it's fair to say that Vesley won't justify his draft position. Look at KS, this time last year the prevailing thought was that he wasn't even worth being drafted in the 2nd rd. Now he's being mentioned as a potential starter. I mean, these kids get better. Give them time. Especially with Vesley, we have no idea what the plan is for him. Is he supposed to develop into a SF, PF, C? We just don't know! And depending on the position, will justify the skill set needed. What happens if in his 3rd year, he adds 10-15 pounds of muscle and starts to play in the mold of Greg Monroe (who can't shoot from the outside, can't really jump and doesn't play the best defense) who most love, would he still not justify his position?

All i'm saying is we have to give these guys time to develop and stop flip flopping on them every single game! It's almost bipolar (no offense).

Boy you got that right, shouldn't they have already had a plan for what position he was going to play when they drafted him? They have tried him at 3 positions and he isn't a fit for any of them.

When I said we, I mean "we" as in fans. The organization probably views him as a PF in the future but with Booker and Seraphin getting PT at that position this year, the only way to get Ves some burn is at SF.

MDStar · Post #116 » by **MDStar** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:16 pm

llcc25 wrote:Didn't get to watch the 2nd half where Rudy Gay went off for most of his 27 points. I thought we drafted Singleton in large part b/c he was a stud defensive stopper? What happend?

Again, that's not a fair assessment of Singleton. He has the tools to be a great defender but he needs time. Guarding the likes of Sean Mosely, Kyle Singler, (Frosh) Harrison Barnes, etc. is a lot different than guarding Rudy Gay, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, etc. To expect him to be a shutdown defender on these great players w/o any experience is asking a bit much and it particularly unreasonable.

llcc25 · Post #117 » by **llcc25** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:09 pm

MDStar wrote:
llcc25 wrote:Didn't get to watch the 2nd half where Rudy Gay went off for most of his 27 points. I thought we drafted Singleton in large part b/c he was a stud defensive stopper? What happend?

Again, that's not a fair assessment of Singleton. He has the tools to be a great defender but he needs time. Guarding the likes of Sean Mosely, Kyle Singler, (Frosh) Harrison Barnes, etc. is a lot different than guarding Rudy Gay, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, etc. To expect him to be a shutdown defender on these great players w/o any experience is asking a bit much and it particularly unreasonable.

I understand he needs time to adjust to NBA, but its not like he was a 2nd round pick. He was a 3 year college player, and arguably a top 10 pick that fell into our lap at 16. And he's gotten considerable playing time this year at over 20 minutes a game...I just assumed he would have a far more immediate impact than he has. I"ll accept his lack of offensive game at this point where he is avging about 3pts per game. But atleast give us some impactful contributions in other areas like D and rebounding that mitigate his lack of offensive game. I'm not saying he has to completely shut down the other team's star player. But at least keep the guy from scoring well above his average...Rudy Gay went for 27 (he avgs about 19 for the year). I know its not all on him, but I just expected a little more from Singleton at this point. Its all the more frustrating knowing that several of the players drafted after him are showing more game. Hopefully, he can really work on his game this offseason and turn it around next year.

Post #118 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:36 pm

I concur with llcc there. Singleton's been a disaster so far, and the Wiz are getting destroyed at both ends of the court at the 3 position. I expect Singleton will improve, but I don't expect he's the answer as anything more than a backup - maybe he can eventually be a rotation player if he makes huge improvements.

tontoz · Post #119 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:I concur with llcc there. Singleton's been a disaster so far, and the Wiz are getting destroyed at both ends of the court at the 3 position. I expect Singleton will improve, but I don't expect he's the answer as anything more than a backup - maybe he can eventually be a rotation player if he makes huge improvements.

Yeah, pretty much the same thing we were saying about Crawford before the season. So far this year he is still an inefficient chucker.

Singleton is a 3 year college player. I am not optimistic about him making the huge improvements necessary to be an effective player.

Severn Hoos · Post #120 » by **Severn Hoos** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:05 pm

I've been in the tank for Singleton, so I might as well stay here and enjoy it!

Singleton was obviously most known for his defense. And while man-to-man defense is about physical skills and ability, only the very elite defenders can really shut anyone down one-on-one without help.

The best defense comes from being part of a functioning team where everyone knows their role, and sticks to the plan no matter what. In order for that to happen, you need: A good plan, and time to practice it with your teammates so that it becomes reflexive instead of thinking about the next move. (And it would help if you had teammates who have your back and aren't complete knuckleheads unable to understand or follow the plan.)

Singleton had none of these things. I wasn't too impressed with Flip's defensive strategies, but to the extent that there was a plan, there was no training camp to get down the schemes and gain trust among the team. And with virtually no practice days in the middle of the shortened season, I'm not surprised that he's struggled.

To me, he has shown enough of the physical ability to be a very effective defender. I'm willing to give him at least a full offseason, training camp, and in-season practices before writing him off as a bust or a disaster.