Frontcourt duo: (C)Seraphin+(PF)Nene or (C)Nene+(PF)Booker?

tontoz · Post #41 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:59 pm

I would agree that Booker is better at PF than at SF. That isn't the issue though. The issue is whether or not Booker is better at SF than Singleton. I would argue that he is just like i think Young was better at the 3 than Singleton. I think they are both better players than Singleton even when playing out of position.

If Wittman was willing to play Booker at center i don't think it is a reach to play Book at the 3.

Post #42 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:28 pm

tontoz wrote:I would agree that Booker is better at PF than at SF. That isn't the issue though. The issue is whether or not Booker is better at SF than Singleton.

No that's NOT the issue. I don't know why I can't communicate this concept to you.

If Booker replaces Singleton at SF, someone must replace Booker at PF. If you want to argue that Nene is going to replace Booker at PF, then someone must replace Nene at C. If you want to say Seraphin plays C, then someone must replace Seraphin as the backup C and PF. That someone is either Blatche or Vesely. So in the final analysis, Blatche or Vesely is replacing Singleton, not Booker. I don't see much difference between Blatche, Vesely and Singleton at this point. All are flawed players. So with no overwhelming reason to pick one over the other, Wittman shouldn't even try to make the decision until he firsts decides how to play the players that are good (Nene, Booker and Seraphin). If he puts them in their respective natural positions, then the decision between Blatche, Vesely and Singleton is easy: Singleton plays (with Vesely getting some scrap minutes at PF).

tontoz · Post #43 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:03 pm

And i refer back to the assumptions you are making. If you think Blatche/Vesely will get only the time they deserve they we have to agree to disagree. in my view it is a given that Blatche/Vesely will play even if they don't deserve it and it will cut into the time for Nene/Seraphin/Booker.

Singleton is every bit as bad as Vesely/Blatche but gets a pass because he plays the 3. He is averaging 23 minutes a game this month but has scored over 5 points only once. He has scored 2 points in 4 games, 3 points twice with one doughnut. He is horrible. His TS% is actually 3% worse than Crawford even though he rarely shoots.

I would like to believe that Wittman would be willing to give Blatche/Vesely only the time they deserve. If that happens then fine. I am not convinced that it is entirely his decision though.

fishercob · Post #44 » by **fishercob** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:09 pm

Tontoz, Blatche played all of 5 minutes last night and Nene didnt even suit up yet. Blatche is done-zo.

Vesely is averaging 15 mpg. With Nene, Booker, Seraphin holding down the 4 and 5, there's still ample time for him to get those minutes next year (perhaps more). See my post above.

If Booker were an option at SF, we wouldn't have signed Edwin Ubiles.

tontoz · Post #45 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:16 pm

fishercob wrote:Tontoz, Blatche played all of 5 minutes last night and Nene didnt even suit up yet. Blatche is done-zo.

Vesely is averaging 15 mpg. With Nene, Booker, Seraphin holding down the 4 and 5, there's still ample time for him to get those minutes next year (perhaps more). See my post above.

If Booker were an option at SF, we wouldn't have signed Edwin Ubiles.

In the 4 games previous to last night Blatche played 22, 21, 18 and 17 minutes. I'll believe he is done when i see it.

Personally i never would have thought Booker was an option at center, especially against Dwight Howard. But he played there.

Post #46 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:36 pm

One other small point to consider:

I don't think it's yet a certainty that Seraphin has "arrived" as a legit rotation player. He has shown some nice signs for a few games in a row, but he hasn't done it enough for the Scouting Report on him to be written. If he keeps this up for another 5-10 games or so, watch for a drop-off in production as opposing defenses adjust.

tontoz · Post #47 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:56 pm

nate33 wrote:One other small point to consider:

I don't think it's yet a certainty that Seraphin has "arrived" as a legit rotation player. He has shown some nice signs for a few games in a row, but he hasn't done it enough for the Scouting Report on him to be written. If he keeps this up for another 5-10 games or so, watch for a drop-off in production as opposing defenses adjust.

Seraphin's biggest asset is defense. That isn't going to change because of a scouting report. He has the length and athleticism to block shots, the strength to hold his position against the biggest centers in the league and mobility/IQ/desire to make the right rotations as well. He isn't going to give anyone a free pass to the rim.

Offensively he has not only shown a nice right handed jump hook going back to last season but has shown a left handed hook recently. He has shown a respectable midrange shot as well as the willingness to pass in the post.

I think the scouting report will have to keep changing as he keeps adding to his game. Remember that he didn't start playing until about 7 years ago. I also think that years of disappointment have made fans like you a little reluctant to buy into Seraphin's progress.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #48 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Seems to me Wittman has been more open to using Singleton at PF which I actually like. I don't think he has the quickness, handle or perimeter skills for the 3. I do think he could be much more effective as a stretch 4 with his D and 3pt ability.

To me, with Wall's lack of shooting, it is important to have shooters at the other positions, especially the SG and SF spots. I much prefer having Evans at SF, and hope this Ubiles will help here as well. I mean it comes to matchups of course... if we are going against Lebron James at SF, then Singleton might be the best choice to match up on him. But in general, with what we currently have I'd be going Nene backed by Seraphin at C, and Booker backed by Singleton and Vesely at PF.

Spence · Post #49 » by **Spence** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:47 pm

Perhaps this has been addressed elsewhere, but a quick glance at Kevin Seraphin's stats indicate he's pretty much done what Javale McGee was doing in the starting lineup. I haven't delved into it too closely so there could be something I'm missing, but the production looks similar. I have no idea if Seraphin can keep that up or even if he'll have the chance to do so, but it is heartening, at least, to see him doing a few things right. Very limited sample size, of course, but so far, at least, it doesn't appear as if the Wiz have missed McGee that much.

closg00 · Post #50 » by **closg00** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:51 pm

Spence wrote:Perhaps this has been addressed elsewhere, but a quick glance at Kevin Seraphin's stats indicate he's pretty much done what Javale McGee was doing in the starting lineup. I haven't delved into it too closely so there could be something I'm missing, but the production looks similar. I have no idea if Seraphin can keep that up or even if he'll have the chance to do so, but it is heartening, at least, to see him doing a few things right. Very limited sample size, of course, but so far, at least, it doesn't appear as if the Wiz have missed McGee that much.

There seems to have been a trade-off, McGee will probably alter and block more shots, but Kevin plays better D, especially on the bigger Centers.

fishercob · Post #51 » by **fishercob** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:37 pm

tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:Tontoz, Blatche played all of 5 minutes last night and Nene didnt even suit up yet. Blatche is done-zo.

Vesely is averaging 15 mpg. With Nene, Booker, Seraphin holding down the 4 and 5, there's still ample time for him to get those minutes next year (perhaps more). See my post above.

If Booker were an option at SF, we wouldn't have signed Edwin Ubiles.

In the 4 games previous to last night Blatche played 22, 21, 18 and 17 minutes. I'll believe he is done when i see it.

Personally i never would have thought Booker was an option at center, especially against Dwight Howard. But he played there.

Boom goes the dynamite, per Michael Lee:

Randy Wittman just said Andray Blatche will be shut down for the next few weeks to get conditioning back from strained left calf #wizards

With 22 games left in the season, we may have seen the last of Blatche in a Wizards uniform!

Post #52 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:39 pm

Randy Wittman just said Andray Blatche will be shut down for the next few weeks to get conditioning back from being a lazy piece of **** all summer #wizards

Fixed

tontoz · Post #53 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:43 pm

ALL HAIL WITTMAN...... :bowdown:

WE NEED TO SIGN WITTMAN TO A LENGTHY EXTENSION ASAP!!!

fishercob · Post #54 » by **fishercob** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:51 pm

tontoz wrote:ALL HAIL WITTMAN......

WE NEED TO SIGN WITTMAN TO A LENGTHY EXTENSION ASAP!!!

Screw Wittman. Hail fishercob -- for calling Blatche's done-ness yesterday 8-)

Post #55 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:02 pm

tontoz wrote:ALL HAIL WITTMAN......

WE NEED TO SIGN WITTMAN TO A LENGTHY EXTENSION ASAP!!!

I must say, Wittman has made all the right moves personnel-wise - well except for his failure to reel in Crawford.

He has shut down Blatche (twice).
He has put Booker and Seraphin in roles where they can succeed.
He has utilized Mason and Mack very well.
Under his coaching, Wall is averaging many more assists with fewer turnovers.
Vesely plays in conditions where he can succeed, and rides the pine when he can't.
Singleton seems to be coming around a bit after being totally invisible during the middle part of the season.

But the main thing is that we won't see the Three Idiots any more. We're going to look like an actual professional basketball team. Not a good professional team mind you, but at least a professional one.

tontoz · Post #56 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:03 pm

fishercob wrote:
tontoz wrote:ALL HAIL WITTMAN......

WE NEED TO SIGN WITTMAN TO A LENGTHY EXTENSION ASAP!!!

Screw Wittman. Hail fishercob -- for calling Blatche's done-ness yesterday

What's that old saying about broken clocks?

J/K Can't remember being so glad to be wrong.

tontoz · Post #57 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:10 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:ALL HAIL WITTMAN......

WE NEED TO SIGN WITTMAN TO A LENGTHY EXTENSION ASAP!!!

I must say, Wittman has made all the right moves personnel-wise - well except for his failure to reel in Crawford.

He has shut down Blatche (twice).
He has put Booker and Seraphin in roles where they can succeed.
He has utilized Mason and Mack very well.
Under his coaching, Wall is averaging many more assists with fewer turnovers.
Vesely plays in conditions where he can succeed, and rides the pine when he can't.
Singleton seems to be coming around a bit after being totally invisible during the middle part of the season.

But the main thing is that we won't see the Three Idiots any more. We're going to look like an actual professional basketball team. Not a good professional team mind you, but at least a professional one.

I agree that Wittman has done a good job working with ..... not much. That press conference where he really ripped the guys a new one was classic. when he said that he might need to introduce the guards to the bigs i literally laughed out loud.

Like i said during the game thread put average starters at the 2/3 and this team would not be bad at all. Having 3 two way bigs who aren't soft, lazy, low iq or selfish is a pretty big feather in the Wizards' cap.

Illuminaire · Post #58 » by **Illuminaire** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:29 pm

My only complaint about Wittman is that his in-game rotations are still a work in progress. He seems to wait too long to sub sometimes, and leaves tired lineups in that start to get abused. But hey, maybe he's just really good at tanking.

fishercob · Post #59 » by **fishercob** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:18 pm

Last night's feel goodness aside, I am concerned about the rebounding efficacy of any pairing of frontcourt players the Wizards put out there. It's something the team is going to have to find a way to address. I have heard from some statty types that there are indications that while Nene's individual rebound numbers do not impress, he's a good team rebounder -- he boxes out and opens rrebound opportunities for teammates.

All the more reaoson that if we dont win the lotto I really want Beal or MKG. Those guys can both come in and clean the glass from their positions -- take advantage of these opportunities that Nene is supposedly creating.

Post #60 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:25 pm

fishercob wrote:Last night's feel goodness aside, I am concerned about the rebounding efficacy of any pairing of frontcourt players the Wizards put out there. It's something the team is going to have to find a way to address. I have heard from some statty types that there are indications that while Nene's individual rebound numbers do not impress, he's a good team rebounder -- he boxes out and opens rrebound opportunities for teammates.

All the more reaoson that if we dont win the lotto I really want Beal or MKG. Those guys can both come in and clean the glass from their positions -- take advantage of these opportunities that Nene is supposedly creating.

Wittman cannot keep putting Booker and Vesely on the floor together. Vesely has no chance against opposing centers. Man is that kid weak.