Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

OH, I WAS WRONG (AGAIN)

All this stuff about Karl and minutes and unfairness, yada yada. I was wrong. Gallinari broke his thumb. That would explain Wilson Chandler's minutes.


About below posts: In that Case, Never Mind

George Karl is walking a fine line in Denver.

He convinced management to re-sign Wilson Chandler for 5 years, $37M. Chandler is a guy he trusts. After not being with the team this abbreviated training camp and season, Wilson Chandler stepped in last night and played 27 minutes in what turned out to be a 17-point loss to Dallas. That was more minutes than Faried, Gallinari, Harrington, Brewer, and Fernandez played. Karl is the head coach but that kind of move is going to raise eyebrows, particularly in a big loss. Chemistry issues/problems on the team can take place.

Chandler put up 16 shots--4 more than the next closest player on the team. The Nuggets lost by 17. Gallinari had 4 points for the game.

On McGee's first night with the team, he registered a DNP-CD. Some of you are happy about that because you want McGee to fail. You will rationalized Karl must think Javale sucks. I said he would do well in Denver, but that won't happen if he doesn't play. All I can say about yesterday is of 4 Cs on the Nuggets roster yesterday; Mozgov played 9 minutes, Koufas played 16 minutes, MCGEE played 0 minutes, Anderson also played 0 minutes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012031907

My only conclusions are with Dirk killing them and playing some C, Karl tried to match up. Also, Karl plays favorites and will soon lose the respect of his team. If he doesn't watch it, he's going to be fired just like Nate McMillan was.
I don't conclude anything about McGee other than that was one game.

So basically every coach tht doesn't do eactly what you would do with McGee should be fired - which is every coach he's ever had.

No, basically, you reduce my deepest thoughts to hater/critic bottom line.

I posted in Denver Post online weeks ago that Nene was going to get traded because Faried is better. I will post for you that Karl is f'ing up his lineups and there is already a groundswell of fans calling for him to be fired.

Ruzious, he's going to lose the confidence of his team by playing favorites with Wilson Chandler. (Or, is he playing Chandler at the owner's behest? I don't know.) McMillan got fired when he lost his team. D'Antoni got fired after he lost his team. Karl is not managing minutes well enough to keep guys happy. I've been watching Karl's rotations a while. From the outside looking in, there are a lot of losses with the least efficient players playing more minutes. (Nivek pointed this out in a great post, BTW). Do not be surprised if/when Karl is fired. This has nothing to do with McGee last night. Karl's minutes and trust issues, and Chandler's minutes last night are all part of what has been going on.

And, I love it when you disagree with me. Have fun watching Ramon Sessions of the "desperate" Lakers.

[Ruzious]

Oh gawd, CCJ. Stop with the drama and the labelling me a hater just because I occasionally disagree with you. Life's too short to waste time on crap like that. As far as deep thoughts; really? Jack Handy doesn't post here.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh gawd, CCJ. Stop with the drama and the labelling me a hater just because I occasionally disagree with you. Life's too short to waste time on crap like that. As far as deep thoughts; really? Jack Handy doesn't post here.

Deep ... thoughts ... Should CCJ Get Some?

I'm not gay. Been celibate way too long post divorce. (Don't want to get in more of a mess--I am not ready to get back in the game. That, and the dreaded fornication word keeps popping up. ) Gotta admit I am a bit of a drama queen of late.

Like Huey Lewis' song, "I Want a New Drug".

[truwizfan4evr]

Oh gawd, CCJ. Stop with the drama and the labelling me a hater just because I occasionally disagree with you. Life's too short to waste time on crap like that. As far as deep thoughts; really? Jack Handy doesn't post here.

I'm not gay. Been celibate way too long post divorce. (Don't want to get in more of a mess--I am not ready to get back in the game. That, and the dreaded fornication word keeps popping up. ) Gotta admit I am a bit of a drama queen of late.

Like Huey Lewis' song, "I Want a New Drug".

What is this board turning into? None of that information is necessary for this board. Let's keep this about basketball talk only.

[montestewart]

George Karl is walking a fine line in Denver.
My only conclusions are with Dirk killing them and playing some C, Karl tried to match up. Also, Karl plays favorites and will soon lose the respect of his team. If he doesn't watch it, he's going to be fired just like Nate McMillan was.
I don't conclude anything about McGee other than that was one game.

So basically every coach tht doesn't do eactly what you would do with McGee should be fired - which is every coach he's ever had.

Well...3 out of 5 of McGee's NBA coaches were let go from their positions, and at least one more likely will be after this season. Coincidence? CCJ, you have some things to answer for.

[montestewart]

Oh gawd, CCJ. Stop with the drama and the labelling me a hater just because I occasionally disagree with you. Life's too short to waste time on crap like that. As far as deep thoughts; really? Jack Handy doesn't post here.

I'm not gay. Been celibate way too long post divorce. (Don't want to get in more of a mess--I am not ready to get back in the game. That, and the dreaded fornication word keeps popping up. ) Gotta admit I am a bit of a drama queen of late.

Like Huey Lewis' song, "I Want a New Drug".

What is this board turning into? None of that information is necessary for this board. Let's keep this about basketball talk only.

Speaking of celibacy and basketball, what's A.C. Green up to?

[Illuminaire]

[Nivek]

I like Faried's hustle and energy but Dirk took the guy to school last night. Forget about wing span and verticals, Faried couldn't guard Dirk. It's a 6'6'' dude going up against a 6'10'' guy, who wins? That's basketball, we like to throw these meaningless stats out about how high a guy can jump, if you're 5 inches smaller than the guy you're guarding, you're done.

You post this like it's a surprise that Faried would have a hard time defending Dirk. Dirk has made a great living abusing EVERYONE regardless of size or athleticism.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh gawd, CCJ. Stop with the drama and the labelling me a hater just because I occasionally disagree with you. Life's too short to waste time on crap like that. As far as deep thoughts; really? Jack Handy doesn't post here.

I'm not gay. Been celibate way too long post divorce. (Don't want to get in more of a mess--I am not ready to get back in the game. That, and the dreaded fornication word keeps popping up. ) Gotta admit I am a bit of a drama queen of late.

Like Huey Lewis' song, "I Want a New Drug".

What is this board turning into? None of that information is necessary for this board. Let's keep this about basketball talk only.

In eleven years of posting, you don't know all that I've posted over the years. If I offend you, just put me on ignore. I don't think I crossed the line of TOS, but I could see how that was very offensive to some.

[Rafael122]

I like Faried's hustle and energy but Dirk took the guy to school last night. Forget about wing span and verticals, Faried couldn't guard Dirk. It's a 6'6'' dude going up against a 6'10'' guy, who wins? That's basketball, we like to throw these meaningless stats out about how high a guy can jump, if you're 5 inches smaller than the guy you're guarding, you're done.

You post this like it's a surprise that Faried would have a hard time defending Dirk. Dirk has made a great living abusing EVERYONE regardless of size or athleticism.

It was more a response to CCJ and his reasoning behind them trading Nene (to give Faried more playing time). I get Karl likes to play small ball but if you've got a guy who is 6'7'' as your center or power forward in that lineup, not to mention a guy who doesn't have a low post offensive game...its a disadvantage is it not? How is that suppose to be successful?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm not gay. Been celibate way too long post divorce. (Don't want to get in more of a mess--I am not ready to get back in the game. That, and the dreaded fornication word keeps popping up. ) Gotta admit I am a bit of a drama queen of late.

Like Huey Lewis' song, "I Want a New Drug".

What is this board turning into? None of that information is necessary for this board. Let's keep this about basketball talk only.

Speaking of celibacy and basketball, what's A.C. Green up to?

If I had been a virgin up to three years ago, and I was a foot taller, I could be AC Green. Never rocked a jheri curl in the 80s, but I did go S-curl briefly, and had a shag in the post-afro era. Speaking of AC, I recall not believing anybody could be celibate age 22-25 or so. He's about the same age I am. I know what I was up to at that age. If I had been focused on the right things and not sex, dang, I probably could have been a brain surgeon.

monte, last I knew he is married and either a pastor or lay minister with a church.

http://www.acgreen.com/foundation/acletter.html

The A.C. Green Youth Foundation is about building character, building strong bodies and strong minds, winning and losing with dignity, teamwork, and sacrifice. We provide programs that ignite dreams and an abstinence program that says it's okay to wait until marriage. In short, we are building leaders. Leaders who, in their individual capacity, no matter what their station in life, will be able to stand up for what is right instead of wrong, and in fact, will be their brother's keeper.

truwizfan4evr, I have a lot on my mind and, occasionally, I just throw it out there in this forum.

[fishercob]

CCJ is seven foot nine!!!

[montestewart]

CCJ is seven foot nine!!!

I'd draft him over Durant

[montestewart]

Oops, wrong thread.

[Nivek]

I like Faried's hustle and energy but Dirk took the guy to school last night. Forget about wing span and verticals, Faried couldn't guard Dirk. It's a 6'6'' dude going up against a 6'10'' guy, who wins? That's basketball, we like to throw these meaningless stats out about how high a guy can jump, if you're 5 inches smaller than the guy you're guarding, you're done.

You post this like it's a surprise that Faried would have a hard time defending Dirk. Dirk has made a great living abusing EVERYONE regardless of size or athleticism.

It was more a response to CCJ and his reasoning behind them trading Nene (to give Faried more playing time). I get Karl likes to play small ball but if you've got a guy who is 6'7'' as your center or power forward in that lineup, not to mention a guy who doesn't have a low post offensive game...its a disadvantage is it not? How is that suppose to be successful?

I think ccj is correct that denver traded nene in part to free up playing time for faried. Faried gave them a better, cheaper option. Karl has some lineup issues like a lot of coaches do.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ is seven foot nine!!!

I'd draft him over Durant

Oops, must edit and say ... taller.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ is seven foot nine!!!

Doh!

[WizTom]

Been a long time since I posted anything here. But now that there's some hope that the Wizards players will play with at least a minimal degree of fundamental basketball as a foundation, I feel like I can finally contribute to what has seemed to me to be a pointless endeavor. That is, being a Wizards fan.

So here's my take, FWIW:

Nene Hilario is the best player in the trade. Therefore, the Wizards win the deal.

Sure, he's got a long, fairly expensive contract. But for a competent big man in today's NBA, it's not really out of line as a roster expense. To those that insist it's a bad deal because of the length and his age, I think you could say the same thing about a trade for Kobe or D-Wade. Injury history? Check. Wrong side of 30? Check. But who among us wouldn't make that trade? And even compared with other NBA bigs, I get the same thing: Chandler? Injuries + Age = Same Result. Haywood? Same. Kaman? (God forbid!) Same. So while there is some risk inherent in taking on Nene's contract, the risk is worth the deal.

No matter how much "potential" Big Daddy Wookie has, he's not mature enough to realize it. (Heck, look at his self-annointed nickname and the discussion is over already.) The statistical argument about his performance doesn't hold up with me. Those stats are hollow. I'd rather have an earth-bound center that can alter shots and "protect the rim" than a skywalker who blocks 4 shots per game but is consistently out of position to defend and rebound. That type of stuff just kills a team's spirit. Add to that the fact that according to the "age decline" argument, players who rely on physical attributes decline much faster than those who rely on cerebral play and again, the discussion is over. Nene should last longer. How long should the team have waited for the Wookie to grow up and pay attention to the game? Not too much longer. He's already 24. By the time he's 27 or 28, his performance should begin to decline. And at what price tag? I say forget about it and embrace the cerebral play of a proven commodity.

As far as Nick Young goes, I think ball-stopping chuckers are the easiest commodities to replace in the league. And again, I think he is/was too immature to handle the role he could have had on the Wizards. For him to go out and hang 8 free throws and an assist in his first game with his new team just proves that. Why wasn't he attacking the rim on behalf of his old team?

We can sit here and prognosticate and project some of these deficiencies on Wizards management. I wouldn't disagree that both were used incorrectly here, maybe even held back developmentally. And it's also probably true that both could do well in more defined roles on their new teams. But they aren't on the team I'm a fan of anymore, so if that actually happens I'll be pleasantly surprised and mildly happy for them.

But at the end of the day, I don't care. I'm a Wizards fan again.

I think Nene will do just fine here. His play will make the team perform differently and look a whole lot better. With at least one more high-ish lotto pick and some cap space for a key free agent, the Wizards could be a completely different team -- and this entire thread could be proved moot -- by the end of this coming off season.

That's it. I've been waiting for the sheer stupidity to end. Hopefully, the team is 2 steps closer now.

[Severn Hoos]

Welcome back, WizTom!

(And a big +1 to everything you just said!)

[DCZards]

Thanks, WizTom, for bringing some great perspective to the Nene trade. I hope you'll stick around.