Game 47: Phoenix Suns(23-23)@Orlando Magic(29-18)

[Kerrsed]

its not like the suns lost to washington and charlotte b2b.
these are expected and tolerable losses. suns have to win next 3.

But we did lose to the Cav's and Nets b2b.....

[schnakenpopanz]

its not like the suns lost to washington and charlotte b2b.
these are expected and tolerable losses. suns have to win next 3.

But we did lose to the Cav's and Nets b2b.....

that was before suns started playing well.
i count 5 losses at home suns should have won easily.
new orleans
new jersey
toronto
cleveland
golden state

and the minnesota game was brutal too.

so 6 losses. make it 4 wins out of 6.
there you have: 27-20.....

and i dont started to talk aout the okc and miami games....

[_Nashoholic_]

its not like the suns lost to washington and charlotte b2b.
these are expected and tolerable losses. suns have to win next 3.

But we did lose to the Cav's and Nets b2b.....

that was before suns started playing well.
i count 5 losses at home suns should have won easily.
new orleans
new jersey
toronto
cleveland
golden state

and the minnesota game was brutal too.

so 6 losses. make it 4 wins out of 6.
there you have: 27-20.....

and i dont started to talk aout the okc and miami games....

Oh, so was Gentry not coaching us when we were not doing well? Did we hire him 2 weeks ago and we started winning?

No, Gentry is a terrible coach. As far as basketball intelligence goes he is the dumbest coach in the league. It's almost like he completely lacks common sense. He wouldn't be a terrible assistant coach, just because players seem to like him, but him at HC is a joke

[Sun Scorched]

Suns Board

Go on a tear after the all-star break: "OMG, lulz!! We r awesum! R team iz amazin!"

Lose to Miami and Orlando in a B2B: "OMFG!!!!! We suck hardz!!! FIRE GENTRY!!! ARGhhhhhh...."

Honestly people - **** relax.

It's obvious to me that some of you think Nash + Hill + Scrubs = Gentry's fault. You're idiots. I'm absolutely amazed at what this team has accomplished and if you're not, I don't think you quite get basketball the way that you think you do.

[SunsRback4Good]

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[SunsRback4Good]

Suns Board

Go on a tear after the all-star break: "OMG, lulz!! We r awesum! R team iz amazin!"

Lose to Miami and Orlando in a B2B: "OMFG!!!!! We suck hardz!!! FIRE GENTRY!!! ARGhhhhhh...."

Honestly people - **** relax.

It's obvious to me that some of you think Nash + Hill + Scrubs = Gentry's fault. You're idiots. I'm absolutely amazed at what this team has accomplished and if you're not, I don't think you quite get basketball the way that you think you do.

+1

People here freak out like crazy. Who would of thought we'd be 23-24 at this point after first few weeks of regular season?

I make a thread "Suns cant close out games" because it happened many times this year. But I'm not freaking out like the rest after losing b2b against top 3 teams in the East.

[Calvin Klein]

You are correct. But that doesn't mean that they should not put the effort every game. That's the problem they had yesterday.

[Sun Scorched]

The biggest problem I've been having lately is with our front court. Our rookie is the only one who seems capable of taking it to the rack and he's the only one trying to enforce the paint - his fouls seem silly, but it's better than this matador defense we seem to be playing in the paint.

[Calvin Klein]

That's exactly what is bothering me at the moment.

[JohnVancouver]

Kind of glad I missed this one - had to watch Knicks/Philly and then planned to see this Tivo'd but then was exposed to the score and couldn't bear it

How could we play MIA so close and then suck against this team?

shaking my head ...

[SILERtheDEFILER]

even when we were winning gentry sucked. playing telfair over price is absolutely insane, i dont care if he can make the verry occasional 3 pointer, the guy dribbles for 20 seconds every possession, hes garbage. the fact that gentry cannot recognize this amazes me. also instead of putting nash in with 5 minutes every game how about he plays less minutes earlier and then plays the last 8-9 minutes. im sure this guy knows more about basketball than i but im also sure he has absolutely no common sense. I dont know how much say he has in the roster but getting rid of dowdell when he was hitting his stride just infuriates my dick

[rsavaj]

We didn't get rid of Dowdell "when he was hitting his stride."

We got rid of him after he couldn't participate in training camp because of a kneecap injury:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... wdell.html

He also failed a physical with a Turkish team this past January, and is still injured.

Tell your dick to calm down.

[Cutter]

The biggest problem I've been having lately is with our front court. Our rookie is the only one who seems capable of taking it to the rack and he's the only one trying to enforce the paint - his fouls seem silly, but it's better than this matador defense we seem to be playing in the paint.

For the last few games we actually have 2 bigs trying to enfroce the paint: Markeiff Morris and Robin Lopez.

The other 2 I am very worried about are Gortat and Frye. Our starting bigs have played poorly of late, especially Frye. He seems to have improved offensively and defensively when playing at home, but on the road he seems timid.

Gortat is more worrisome as he has shown earlier in the season that he can be a force in the paint on both ends of the floor. But lately he has slipped a bit. I think he needs to play through it and get his rythm back.

[SILERtheDEFILER]

We didn't get rid of Dowdell "when he was hitting his stride."

We got rid of him after he couldn't participate in training camp because of a kneecap injury:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... wdell.html

He also failed a physical with a Turkish team this past January, and is still injured.

Tell your dick to calm down.

ok i do remember that being the reason now but we have the best staff in the league and hes healthy enough to be playing in spain now...and he legitimately loves the suns which might alter my judgment a bit.
from his facebook:Zabian Dowdell
I might not play for the Suns anymore but I'll always support them!

[RunDogGun]

Suns Board

Go on a tear after the all-star break: "OMG, lulz!! We r awesum! R team iz amazin!"

Lose to Miami and Orlando in a B2B: "OMFG!!!!! We suck hardz!!! FIRE GENTRY!!! ARGhhhhhh...."

Honestly people - **** relax.

It's obvious to me that some of you think Nash + Hill + Scrubs = Gentry's fault. You're idiots. I'm absolutely amazed at what this team has accomplished and if you're not, I don't think you quite get basketball the way that you think you do.

Well telling many level headed people to relax and then call them idiots in the same turn seems like you may be overreacting yourself.

I've been saying that we should fire Gentry since last year. Just because the team goes on a big run, doesn't mean Gentry is doing a good job. I have gone over his weaknesses ad nauseum. No one has given logical reason for his f*ckups. He really doesn't seem like he knows what he is doing. Every time I have seen Price and Chilldress get quality minutes, they have produced. Some guys that continue to suck or mess up, continue to get minutes over P/C, while those two always give their all.

Los Soles, has put up detailed information showing where Gentry could improve the team, and I wouldn't call him an idiot or think he needs to relax. Grumpy has pointed out the same mistakes Gentry makes as I have, and I wouldn't call him an idiot.

It is fairly simple, Gentry is a good assistant coach, but not a good head coach. He has costs us many games those year and last(not saying this game was one of them), and yet he takes no responsibility for losses. He complains about lack of effort in the first ten minutes in one game this year, but only made one change seven minutes into that game, and one more almost at that ten minute mark. If he was so upset with the lack of effort, why wait so long to make a change? Answer, he doesn't know what he is doing.

Now one could say we don't know what we are talking about, but then whoever says that, needs to address the long list of issues we have with Gentry, and explain all the moronic rotations he puts out. But calling us idiots, seems rather naive and possibly hypocritical.

[grumpysaddle]

I am an idiot, but not when it comes to Gentry. Moreso in my personal life, but that's not here. Gentry can't make decisions on the fly, which is why he has pretty much a set rotation and rarely messes with it, regardless of the way it's working. Gentry had nothing to do with the 4-game win streak. However, he has had a lot to do with a good amount of losses the Suns have had this season.

[sunskerr]

If yall are so sure about what the Suns need, maybe yous should give them a call about management or coaching position.

[RunDogGun]

If yall are so sure about what the Suns need, maybe yous should give them a call about management or coaching position.

Are you trying to be sarcastic? The things we have pointed out are pretty obvious. If the Suns haven't figured them out, then either they don't see the problems, don't care, don't see a way out of them, or don't think they are a problem. However, I don't see your list refuting what we have said, nor have I seen any statistical data to refute what Los Soles has mentioned.

Do you really think the Suns would hire people of reason? Take a gander at what they have done over the past few years, very little of it shows strong logic. Overbidding for Warrick, when no one else was bidding, and adding a second rounder to pour salt in the wound. Then having Chilldress's agent sign him to a big deal, then Gentry not playing him, and we also added a second rounder for him. The only problem with that second rounder, it had no conditions attached to it, and it will be in a decent draft. Heck, the Knicks put a 55 protection on the second rounder we got for Amare, yet we put no protection on ours?

Then they trade Goran and a first rounder for Brooks, knowing that we would have to rebuild a bit this year, and also knowing that Brooks could get an offer greater than what we would spend for him. The China thing was unfortunate, and I don't see that as their fault, but it makes the trade seem all the more stupid. The one thing Gentry had going for him was the confidence building he did with Goran, yet last year, Goran showed little to no confidence while on the Suns, and showed greater confidence after leaving. Our FO doesn't have a great track record for doing the logical move.

I don't mind an argument about this, in fact I encourage one, but the simple labeling of idiot and "out of our league" type comments need to be backed with some evidence. Or at least try and gather something to refute our claims. If not, your type of comments and those of SS, seem rather juvenile at best.

[Sun Scorched]

If we're all being honest, there's really only one team that can be said to do everything right each season - and even that team isn't perfect.

Take the Miami loss, by way of example. Forgeting our lead, I think the reason we lost the game is everything our front court gave up to Bosh. We had Wade and James exactly where we wanted them... and we let Chris freaking Bosh go off on us.

That's not Gentry's fault. Our frontcourt simply didn't show up. Frankly, our team not showing up sometimes is a bigger problem to me.

[RunDogGun]

No one asked for perfection, just no more stupid coach moves. Why ignore our lead, and the seventeen to zero turn around in that game? Doesn't Gentry get some blame for allowing that run to finish the game? And if our front court didn't show up, and Gentry continues to play those guys that don't show up, doesn't he also get some of that blame?

The points you used can easily be turned back to the guy that plays those guys and the minutes they get, which is one of the main points that we used. We have defenders on the bench, like Price and Chilldress that rarely get used. But with a lead, he continues to play Redd, who doesn't defend very well, and every fifth game makes baskets.

However, you didn't address any of our concerns, so thanks for that.