2012 NBA Draft - Part II

Jay81 · Post #641 » by **Jay81** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:07 am

Bradley beal was great tonight. An Eric Gordon with more upside.complete game. We just need to keep losing baby!

wackywabbit · Post #642 » by **wackywabbit** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:33 am

There are six prospects in this draft who can really make this season worth all the struggles:

Anthony Davis
Bradley Beal
Thomas Robinson
Harrison Barnes
MKG
Andre Drummond

Assuming they all declare, the Wizards need to stay in the bottom three of standings to guarantee one of these players. I really like Beal or Barnes, with their excellent shooting abilities, as a fit for this team and would like to see Wizards move up/down the board to get one these two players. But either way, every Wizards fan needs to root for the Raptors and Nets.

Knighthonor · Post #643 » by **Knighthonor** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:41 am

Hey have any of you adjusted your picks, to fit in with the new roster?

7-Day Dray · Post #644 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am

Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

Post #645 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:25 am

Dat2U wrote:I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

It's good to see someone's got perspective on this kid. Unfortunately, he's in a catch 22. He needs more schooling, but if he goes back to UConn, he's going back to the school and the coach that did absolutely nothing to help him develop. He actually got worse as the season rolled on. In 5 years, he'll be an outstanding player in the NBA. The problem is - the team that drafts him might have to go through 4 mediocre years and then lose him in free agency.

Earth2Ted · Post #646 » by **Earth2Ted** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:29 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

I am trying to figure out of Chad has a Wizards source on this or if he is just pulling it out of his posterior. Ernie certainly has been telegraphing his punches the last couple years- he did on Vesely, and I think even going back to that #5 for Miller and Foye deal.

I just hope that Ernie (and my sense is that Ted is probably keeping him around :-?

) doesn't just think Nene is the center of the future, and that Nene, Seraphin, and Vesely will morph into some sort of championship caliber front line. But he probably does.

Earth2Ted · Post #647 » by **Earth2Ted** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:35 am

Ruzious wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

It's good to see someone's got perspective on this kid. Unfortunately, he's in a catch 22. He needs more schooling, but if he goes back to UConn, he's going back to the school and the coach that did absolutely nothing to help him develop. He actually got worse as the season rolled on. In 5 years, he'll be an outstanding player in the NBA. The problem is - the team that drafts him might have to go through 4 mediocre years and then lose him in free agency.

If I am the Wizards GM I take a shot on Drummond. He's so physically gifted, he's got great hands, and he defends and rebounds. The Wizards probably have already crossed him off the list because they don't want another JaVale, but I think Drummond is an unselfish player who just hasn't gotten a lot of coaching, whereas JaVale is a selfish player who actively resisted coaching.

My uneducated opinion, anyway.

BruceO · Post #648 » by **BruceO** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:46 am

Outside of the obvious anthony davis pick, thomas robinson and beal can be good picks. Looking at mkg and how he can help us. I'm not against perry jones or drummond if the team selects them. Now they don't have to be the focal point here because we have wall and nene. It takes some pressure of them and nene can help someone like drummond whose early responsibility will be rebounding, blocking shots and team D. while perry can be a dynamic scorer as a face up four or three. He can add a new wrinkle

Post #649 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:46 am

Earth2Ted wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

I am trying to figure out of Chad has a Wizards source on this or if he is just pulling it out of his posterior. Ernie certainly has been telegraphing his punches the last couple years- he did on Vesely, and I think even going back to that #5 for Miller and Foye deal.

I just hope that Ernie (and my sense is that Ted is probably keeping him around ) doesn't just think Nene is the center of the future, and that Nene, Seraphin, and Vesely will morph into some sort of championship caliber front line. But he probably does.

I wouldn't take a big unless it's Anthony Davis. I like what I saw from Beal, efficient scoring, played a smart game and he doesn't play like he's 6'3''. REALLY liking this kid now.

Post #650 » by **nate33** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:32 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

I wouldn't mind if we took him at #2, but I sincerely hope that EG isn't telegraphing the move. EG should continue to praise Thomas Robinson as a can't miss prospect at #2. That way, if we land the 2nd pick we could probably negotiate a trade down to #5 or so and still grab Beal.

I'd love to trade Vesely plus #2 for the #5 plus a good young wing player.

MF23 · Post #651 » by **MF23** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:48 pm

Sullinger played well against Cincy but I still wouldn't touch him in the lottery. He may be able to score well in the NBA. I don't see many other attributes at the moment but he should be able to hold position, catch passes and rebound.

Dat mentioned something about Drummond. It's a fair point that you can't flag a player as a derivative of a previous players disappointments. Hence you miss on Amare Stoudemire's because your worried over the immaturity of Kwame Brown. My disagreement with that philosophy is when you have a particular system or program in your front office that has proven to fail. McGee, Pecherov and Blatche are all big men who never developed in Washington.There's something wrong with that fact and it needs to be taken into account before you go attempting to develop another underdeveloped young big man.

fishercob · Post #652 » by **fishercob** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:12 pm

Beal's price is increasing. FOrd has him at #4 in his top 100 and tweeted last night that he could well get drafted a spot or two higher (before the tweet about the Wiz taking him at 2). The fact that Florida has won three games and that he had a signature performance last night is only helping/hurting depening on your persepctive.

While there are surely scenarios where he;d drop to 4 or possibly 5, I think it's going to take a top 3 pick to land him. I think the trade down scenario is a pipe dream. FOr whatever reason, that stuff just doesnt happen in the NBA the way it does in the NFL.

Here's hoping that if any teams land ahead of us it's New Orleans, Sacramento or Milwaukee. I can't see any of them drafting Beal. Everyone else might.

fishercob · Post #653 » by **fishercob** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:14 pm

Beal: http://ncaa-tournament.si.com/2012/03/2 ... -a-legend/

Post #654 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

I wouldn't mind if we took him at #2, but I sincerely hope that EG isn't telegraphing the move. EG should continue to praise Thomas Robinson as a can't miss prospect at #2. That way, if we land the 2nd pick we could probably negotiate a trade down to #5 or so and still grab Beal.

I'd love to trade Vesely plus #2 for the #5 plus a good young wing player.

Or we could just take him and skip the shenanigans. If he continues to play like this, there's no way we could trade down anyway.

Nivek · Post #655 » by **Nivek** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:45 pm

David Berri has written several times that GMs tend to significantly overrate players who perform well in the NCAA tournament in the year before they're drafted. So, Beal should be shooting up draft charts league-wide, but teams should be paying more attention to what he did during the regular season.

Post #656 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:03 pm

Nivek wrote:David Berri has written several times that GMs tend to significantly overrate players who perform well in the NCAA tournament in the year before they're drafted. So, Beal should be shooting up draft charts league-wide, but teams should be paying more attention to what he did during the regular season.

My gut feeling is that when a freshman steps up hugely, it means more than when an upperclassman does it. Also, he had a big game right before the tournament against Kentucky. While clearly his entire season should be considered, I think it is smart in Beal's case to weight his end o season games more. He's not a Mateen Cleaves sitiation.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #657 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:21 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Chad Ford just tweeted that Washington would take Beal as high as #2.

Sullinger played well last night too.

I wouldn't mind if we took him at #2, but I sincerely hope that EG isn't telegraphing the move. EG should continue to praise Thomas Robinson as a can't miss prospect at #2. That way, if we land the 2nd pick we could probably negotiate a trade down to #5 or so and still grab Beal.

I'd love to trade Vesely plus #2 for the #5 plus a good young wing player.

Or we could just take him and skip the shenanigans. If he continues to play like this, there's no way we could trade down anyway.

Beal is the real deal. I really like Beal, and have for a while. I love his mental makeup and the way he plays. He would be an IDEAL backcourt with Wall. He just gets to the right places, passes the ball to the right people at the right times, and makes the right plays. He is a high IQ, fundamentally sound player, he plays hard, he defends, he rebounds, and most of all he can shoot.

But he is very much a Harden type, with a solid all-around game, and smart player. I really like him, and hope he is the Wizards pick!

DCZards · Post #658 » by **DCZards** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:36 pm

Real impressed with Beal last night. His size and the way he uses his strength reminds me a lot of Russell Westbrook. A backcourt of Wall and Beal would be as athletic and physically-gifted as it gets. Assuming Beal also checks out as a solid perimeter shooter with a decent b'ball IQ, I'd put him as my top pick for the Zards...after Davis of course.

Higga · Post #659 » by **Higga** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:36 pm

No surprise Beal's stock is rising. There is always a need for quality shooters who can score efficiently at the 2 spot. A Wall/Beal backcourt would be awesome offensively(though probably not as good defensively as Wall/MKG).

Are there any other good SFs besides Barnes? I haven't really been paying attention to draft prospects...

Post #660 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:51 pm

BTW, the knock on Beal all year long was that his style of play didn't mesh with the system Florida runs. So GMs and scouts SHOULDN'T be surprised that he's now breaking out. They've been waiting on t his all year long, and this just re-emphasizes that he's one of the best shooters, if not the best shooter in the draft.