Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[daner01]

What does the davis situation have to do with beals situation? And how would he impact the game negatively at the point.

All I asked was for someone to convince me that he can't. Why can beal only play it here and there?

All Im saying is that Beal does not play the point in College. Westbrook did throughout his highschool/college career, therefore he has a great leg up on Beal.

Beal is not even the best point guard on Flordia let alone a potential NBA team.

[billy_hoyle]

What does the davis situation have to do with beals situation? And how would he impact the game negatively at the point.

All I asked was for someone to convince me that he can't. Why can beal only play it here and there?

All Im saying is that Beal does not play the point in College. Westbrook did throughout his highschool/college career, therefore he has a great leg up on Beal.

Beal is not even the best point guard on Flordia let alone a potential NBA team.

To be fair Westbrook played sg next to Darren Collison at UCLA

[Undefeated]

The only thing I’m weary about Barnes is his court vision seeing how he plays with his head down far too often. His ball-handling skills are solid, nothing spectacular, just enough to get where he wants and get his shot off.

Barnes does know how to call his own shots running the pick-and-roll, so there’s some glimmer of hope that he’ll be able to learn and pass off the screen-and-roll playing off of his sweet jumper. Here, watch this highlight of Barnes against Virginia Tech from a few months ago. You can’t tell me this is a player who can’t score off the pick-and-roll or create his own offense.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dVMCRc1rg[/youtube]

0:10 – James McAdoo comes up and sets a screen. Barnes starts in a triple-threat position. McAdoo’s defender hedges out on the screen to stop the drive since Barnes gave a little jab leading the ball towards the right side misdirecting his defender. Instead, Barnes spins inside to the left with a clear path down the baseline. With his defender trailing, he gets an uncontested two-handed flush at the rim. What he demonstrates is a good job of surveying the floor before making his move to the basket and a series of misdirection forcing the defenders to react playing into his hands.

0:20 – Barnes comes off a pinned down and catches the ball up top. Dribbles towards the basket with a couple of inside-out dribbles before pulling up for the jumper. Hesitation moves like these is going to allow Barnes to keep his defender on their heels. Capable of driving to the basket and absorbing the bumps along the way and pulling up for the jumper, what can the defense do?

0:52 – Once again, Barnes initiates his offense in a triple-threat position. McAdoo sets the screen, and with a single jab step, Barnes already has his defender pinned on the screen. Barnes explodes off the screen after cutting shoulder-to-shoulder with McAdoo; he’s a step ahead of his defender. Stops on a dime at the free-throw line, steps back and drains the fallaway pull up jumper.

Through this whole sequence, notice how Barnes’ back is almost horizontal to the floor. Not Derrick Rose by any means, but staying low has helped improve Barnes’ explosiveness. Also, Barnes does an excellent job of keeping the ball away from his defender. Instead of leading the dribble forward where there’s a higher chance of the ball being stolen, he dribbles on the side of his body. If the defender tries to steal the ball, that’s an automatic reaching foul.

1:01 – Barnes side pick-and-roll with John Henson. Barnes’ defender goes under the screen for whatever reason, and Henson slips the screens and rolls. Barnes has the option of pulling up for an open jumper or makes the jump pass to Henson on the roll. As Barnes’ defender is still recovering, Henson’s defender turns his head away from Barnes and dashes back to recover onto Henson before Barnes’ defender even has a shot of coming back into play. Barnes easily reads the miscommunication, and nails the trey. This isn’t a guy who can run the pick-and-roll? For real?

1:17 – Starts offense in triple-threat, again. Ball fake towards the left, defender bites and reacts. With the defender’s weight and force on the left, he can’t possibly react quick enough to defend Barnes’ drive being so off-balance to cut him off. Help defender slides over in an attempt to draw the charge. Barnes goes up for a running floater off glass.

[Undefeated]

Beal is not even the best point guard on Flordia let alone a potential NBA team.

The offense flows much smoother when Billy Donovan has Bradley Beal distributing the ball. He's the only player on Florida who's able to get the ball to Patric Young on a consistent basis taking advantage of his match-up. Kenny Boynton, Erving Walker, and Mike Rosario can't run the offense for ****. Scottie Wilbekin might be a better point, though.

[ty123]

When I said months ago that Beal was the most solid top-5 pick in this draft was I wrong? Nope I wish I had Jim Kelly's job.

Jim Kelly is one of the best in the business.

[DreamTeam09]

Thats a sick post about barnes from Undefeated there... His offence looked elite in that clip.

[McFurious1]

Take Beal... move DeMar to SF or trade him.
I do think though that Beal can play some time at PG, love his game.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI5TVCJuY3s[/youtube]

[lucky777s]

Thats a sick post about barnes from Undefeated there... His offence looked elite in that clip.

Yes, very nice breakdown by Undefeated there.

My only negative comment is that I don't see the elite quickness or speed. So I worry whether those moves will translate to the nba or if he'll be an easy guard like DD.

He has skills. He plays under control. Good fundamentals. Lots to like. That last play was real nice.

I want to see similar vids of the other wings. Looking for that kind of DWade explosiveness or Manu quicks even if just in brief spurts. Give me hope that playing in wide open nba could see another level.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Thats a sick post about barnes from Undefeated there... His offence looked elite in that clip.

Yes, very nice breakdown by Undefeated there.

My only negative comment is that I don't see the elite quickness or speed. So I worry whether those moves will translate to the nba or if he'll be an easy guard like DD.

He has skills. He plays under control. Good fundamentals. Lots to like. That last play was real nice.

I want to see similar vids of the other wings. Looking for that kind of DWade explosiveness or Manu quicks even if just in brief spurts. Give me hope that playing in wide open nba could see another level.

Why would you compare him to two hall of famers that play a different position and a different style? Makes no sense.

[Marlo Stanfield]

When I said months ago that Beal was the most solid top-5 pick in this draft was I wrong? Nope I wish I had Jim Kelly's job.

Jim Kelly is one of the best in the business.

Gotta love trolls

[drew_8730]

sunny - march 23

1) anthony davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Brad Beal
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Andre Drummond
7) Harrison Barnes
8) Jeremy Lamb

with the number 2 pick you wouldnt draft drummond?

[Wasp]

sunny - march 23

1) anthony davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Brad Beal
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Andre Drummond
7) Harrison Barnes
8) Jeremy Lamb

with the number 2 pick you wouldnt draft drummond?

I know I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd easily take MKG/Beal/Barnes over him.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm starting to creep on the Tony Mitchell bandwagon if he drops to the second round. Tony Mitchell - SF/PF, Beal (or Barnes) - SG/SF and Tomas Satoranksy - PG/SG and call it a day.

Who's with me on the Tony Mitchell bandwagon!?!

I am but the more I think of it the more confident I am that he goes up high after all. The reason being that he is a NCAA to NBA coorelation studies statistical darling so you can expect a lot of the stats teams are on that. Also teams like athletes, guys with high rebound numbers, gets with blk/steal numbers. I'm thinking top 20 for Mitchell

[basketball royalty]

Only getting into this now. Seems our top prospects are Barnes, MKG and Beal. Can't say I know much about either of these guys other than Barnes who I am projecting out to be a Luol Deng type.

Any comparisons for MKG and Beal? From what I can tell Beal is a good all round player which I like but what are his measurements like?

Also, what about Marshall on NC? I know he is hurt and not sure what he is planning on doing this year but is he a legit NBA pg? I have heard great things about his ability to run the team and wonder where he would go in the draft and if we should think about taking him (if we get another 1st or even if he last to the 2nd round).

[Dr Positivity]

Does anybody else think Barnes has a similar offensive game as Bargnani, just at SF?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Looks like Rivers is declaring for the draft.

[basketball royalty]

Looks like Rivers is declaring for the draft.

Nice. We can draft him and trade him to Boston for Rondo.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Does anybody else think Barnes has a similar offensive game as Bargnani, just at SF?

I actually think it's closer to Dirk, or will be in terms of style. Not saying he'll be as efficient.

[yayotube]

Does anybody else think Barnes has a similar offensive game as Bargnani, just at SF?

I can see a bit of that. Thank God the defensive game is no where near similar.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Does anybody else think Barnes has a similar offensive game as Bargnani, just at SF?

Definitely. They'll just be able to read each other's minds