Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1001 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:35 pm

Beal 3-point attempt missed, gets the offensive rebound and passes to Boyton who misses as well. Florida is likely done.

Mascot · Post #1002 » by **Mascot** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:37 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Mascot wrote:Take Drummond and ship out Bargnani for Tony Parker
Trade Jose for a 2nd rounder and draft Jae Crowder
Waste some Money on OJ Mayo cause face it DeRozan cant create to save his life.
Draft Fab Melo and Kris Joseph
Val is a PF not a C
sign Scoop Jardine if hes goes undrafted
re- sign bayless for 3 years and 12 million or 4 years and 16 million.

PG: Tony Parker/Jerryd Bayless/Scoop Jardine
SG: OJ Mayo/DeMar DeRozan/Gary Forbes
SF: James Johnson/Linas Kleiza/Kris Joseph
PF: Jonas Valanciunas/Ed Davis/Jae Crowder
Cc: Andre Drummond/Amir Johnson/Fab Melo

Wait, so how come BC and his scouting staff and the international scouts/nba scouts all say Val is a C, are they all wrong and you're right?

the same scouts and coaching staff that said Bargnani was a C?

Leolovinliberal · Post #1003 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:39 pm

ash_k wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Barnes' high ranking before this was built on a house of cards, and in the tournament he's tipped it over. IMO expect something like 7th to 9th overall.

We know too much about Barnes to let one game crumble his draft ranking.

6'8 with pure shooting and length (with his skill set) as a SF is just too rare; he should be the first wing picked

Define "pure shooting" and then look at his stats and advanced stats and tell me how the two are compatible. He's nothing without a great pg to set him up, as evidenced by his terrible performance last night without Marshall being defended by 6'2 guys from the University of Ohio. This guy is o over rated, it's a joke.

fredericklove · Post #1004 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:40 pm

Good end to this game despite being a beal fan, it sucks that we can't see him anymore this tourney but its good for us. Beal is a player. Raptors really need an asset like him.

Post #1005 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Barnes' high ranking before this was built on a house of cards, and in the tournament he's tipped it over. IMO expect something like 7th to 9th overall.

We know too much about Barnes to let one game crumble his draft ranking.

6'8 with pure shooting and length (with his skill set) as a SF is just too rare; he should be the first wing picked

Define "pure shooting" and then look at his stats and advanced stats and tell me how the two are compatible. He's nothing without a great pg to set him up, as evidenced by his terrible performance last night without Marshall being defended by 6'2 guys from the University of Ohio. This guy is o over rated, it's a joke.

Guy, like half of his misses almost go in.

Post #1006 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:43 pm

Maybe it's just me, but does Bradley Beal play below the rim a little bit? He doesn't get his hand at rim level when he goes up for a lay-up. Same goes for Barnes. Only player that at least gets up there is probably MKG and Jeremy Lamb.

kingz32 · Post #1007 » by **kingz32** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:44 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
kingz32 wrote:Forget all these losers.....we need a PG for the future and the way I see it we're going to be picking anywhere between 5-8 so why not go out and get a guy who I think is the sleeper in this draft: Damian Lillard from Weber St. The kid averaged 24.0 and 4apg. He made his teammates better even though some of you will say his assist numbers are low. He has great size for a PG and almost looks like Russel Westbrook out there on the court with a better jump shot and the same ability to drive and get to the line. I say we take a risk on this kid and move forward with a PG with star potential we can build around for the future.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBDW6tNcvo[/youtube]

This guy is not even a better prospect coming out of college then Bayless and you want to draft him because he is putting 24ppg and 4 assist in playing in weak conference ... atleast bayless as sophmore was putting up 20ppg on elite college team and conference.

It's not about the conference, its about how the player plays and how they handle themselves on the court. With the logic your suggesting, we shouldn't have drafted Val either because he's playing weak European competition. There are players all over the world that can ball with NBA and the big conference players. You need to expand your horizons. This isn't Jerryd Bayless

RapsFanInVA · Post #1008 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:47 pm

Mascot wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Mascot wrote:Take Drummond and ship out Bargnani for Tony Parker
Trade Jose for a 2nd rounder and draft Jae Crowder
Waste some Money on OJ Mayo cause face it DeRozan cant create to save his life.
Draft Fab Melo and Kris Joseph
Val is a PF not a C
sign Scoop Jardine if hes goes undrafted
re- sign bayless for 3 years and 12 million or 4 years and 16 million.

PG: Tony Parker/Jerryd Bayless/Scoop Jardine
SG: OJ Mayo/DeMar DeRozan/Gary Forbes
SF: James Johnson/Linas Kleiza/Kris Joseph
PF: Jonas Valanciunas/Ed Davis/Jae Crowder
Cc: Andre Drummond/Amir Johnson/Fab Melo

Wait, so how come BC and his scouting staff and the international scouts/nba scouts all say Val is a C, are they all wrong and you're right?

the same scouts and coaching staff that said Bargnani was a C?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/andrea-bargnani
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Andrea-Bargnani-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2781/
Our staff forced him into C (because of Bosh) when no one else thought he'd be a C. Outside sources knew Bargs was a PF and outside sources know JV projects as a C.

I'm pretty confident that JV is a C.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1009 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:47 pm

Undefeated wrote:Maybe it's just me, but does Bradley Beal play below the rim a little bit? He doesn't get his hand at rim level when he goes up for a lay-up. Same goes for Barnes. Only player that at least gets up there is probably MKG and Jeremy Lamb.

Beal and Barnes both play the old man game, it's cool though, whatever works.

Saciid11 · Post #1010 » by **Saciid11** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:47 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Barnes' high ranking before this was built on a house of cards, and in the tournament he's tipped it over. IMO expect something like 7th to 9th overall.

We know too much about Barnes to let one game crumble his draft ranking.

6'8 with pure shooting and length (with his skill set) as a SF is just too rare; he should be the first wing picked

Define "pure shooting" and then look at his stats and advanced stats and tell me how the two are compatible. He's nothing without a great pg to set him up, as evidenced by his terrible performance last night without Marshall being defended by 6'2 guys from the University of Ohio. This guy is o over rated, it's a joke.

One bad game is not gone effect Barnes draft stock, besides most scouts and NBA GM's project Barnes to be much better player in NBA then he is in college. Barnes at worst is good defensive small forward who can shoot the lights out at the 3pt line .. allot like Battier... but he is much better then that. Barnes is just too smart and too skilled to be bust in NBA. Any team that draft Beal and even MKG ahead Barnes will regret it in the future...

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1011 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:47 pm

Undefeated wrote:Maybe it's just me, but does Bradley Beal play below the rim a little bit? He doesn't get his hand at rim level when he goes up for a lay-up. Same goes for Barnes. Only player that at least gets up there is probably MKG and Jeremy Lamb.

It's funny, 'cause I think MKG plays below the rim himself, but with him, because he's got above average size, it isn't as glaring as it is for a guy like Beal. But, again, I've seen MKG miss a fair share of shots at the rim, only to use his second-jump to grab the ball back, and put it in off the carom.

Jeremy Lamb, I agree with. I'd like to see him to get to the rim more though.

fredericklove · Post #1012 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:50 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
ash_k wrote:We know too much about Barnes to let one game crumble his draft ranking.

6'8 with pure shooting and length (with his skill set) as a SF is just too rare; he should be the first wing picked

Define "pure shooting" and then look at his stats and advanced stats and tell me how the two are compatible. He's nothing without a great pg to set him up, as evidenced by his terrible performance last night without Marshall being defended by 6'2 guys from the University of Ohio. This guy is o over rated, it's a joke.

What you argue is shooting percentage but none have to do with pure shooting. Again, you emphasize way too much on stats, what you see last night is the lack of 1-on-1 skills but his pure shooting is stemmed from shooting range which he has, despite alot of highly contested low FG percentage shots in the game, but down the stretch, he did knock down some very important big shots which indicates he's not going to collapse completely on bad nights like last night, on the shooting skill level, he has the perfect textbook form with good elevation to his shot, he just has the ability to knock down shots, what I see from you is using irrational emphasis with over-exaggerated tone, even when a lot of posters here that have negativity on Barne's handles, rarely they criticize his ability to knock down shots. I think you overuse last night's game. That's very immature.

Post #1013 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:52 pm

Let's see if Sullinger is taller than Joseph.

Dr Positivity · Post #1014 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:57 pm

Saciid11 wrote:One bad game is not gone effect Barnes draft stock, besides most scouts and NBA GM's project Barnes to be much better player in NBA then he is in college. Barnes at worst is good defensive small forward who can shoot the lights out at the 3pt line .. allot like Battier... but he is much better then that. Barnes is just too smart and too skilled to be bust in NBA. Any team that draft Beal and even MKG ahead Barnes will regret it in the future...

Shooting the lights out at the 3pt line is not a lock for Barnes IMO. He's down to 37% from 3 on the year, after 34% last year, and on a weak volume. With a shortened line that's really not that good. There's like 50 20mpg+ guys in the NCAA shooting 3s better than Barnes this year. Barnes is 18th among DX top 100 prospects in 3P%, among guys with at least 1 3PM a game. His FT% of 72.6% is pretty bad and indicative of someone who's not a lights out shooter.

Compare him to Doron Lamb, who's at 47% from 3 on a higher volume, with 84%+ FT. Now there's a guy who has everything going for him to be a lights out shooter long term. With his size, smooth athleticism and IQ, I think Doron is going to be one of the steals of the draft, and the gap between him and Barnes may end up looking Kenneth Faried vs Jan Vesely like a year from now

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1015 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:59 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Let's see if Sullinger is taller than Joseph.

My man, FluLike, you've soured quite a bit on this draft :lol:

Is it Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb or bust for ya?

Hey, I'm feeling mixed myself. Obviously, I'd be happy with anybody we draft, but I'm hot and cold on some of these guys.

Let's see if this guy, Dion Waiters, can elevate himself here vs. Ohio St.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1016 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:00 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Let's see if Sullinger is taller than Joseph.

My man, FluLike, you've soured quite a bit on this draft Is it Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb or bust for ya?

Hey, I'm feeling mixed myself. Obviously, I'd be happy with anybody we draft, but I'm hot and cold on some of these guys.

Dion Waiters, will elevate himself here vs. Ohio St.

Fixed. That's not a question, it's a guarantee

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1017 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:06 pm

I'm gonna be honest, this is the first time I'm watching Ohio St. all year.

sunny · Post #1018 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:06 pm

UVAN fan, im thinking of maybe wanting to go UVA law school but trying to talk myself out of it.
Can you speak about the school/program at all? preferably from a Canadian perspective.

Thanks!

sunny · Post #1019 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:08 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:I'm gonna be honest, this is the first time I'm watching Ohio St. all year.

you missed out. They are a treat and Sully is one of the best college players you'll see.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1020 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:11 pm

sunny wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:I'm gonna be honest, this is the first time I'm watching Ohio St. all year.

you missed out. They are a treat and Sully is one of the best college players you'll see.

I just assume Sullinger is a great post scorer and rebounder while being undersized. Guys like Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap have helped guys like Sullinger be projected in the top-10.

Who do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?