Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[Saciid11]

Sullinger is beast at the low post ...

[Marlo Stanfield]

That Waiters dunk attempt where he got fouled was so Dwyane Wade esque it's not even funny!

[Saciid11]

That Waiters dunk attempt foul was so Dwyane Wade esque it's not even funny!

Dion Waiter is mid to late 1rd this is how deep this draft is ...


Dion Waiters = Rodney Stuckey clone

[Twoism]

Dion Waiters = Rodney Stuckey clone

[Marlo Stanfield]

That Waiters dunk attempt foul was so Dwyane Wade esque it's not even funny!

Dion Waiter is mid to late 1rd this is how deep this draft is ...


Dion Waiters = Rodney Stuckey clone

Not even close, Stuckey's a bum. Waiters has the swagger and the game to go with it.

[Saciid11]

That Waiters dunk attempt foul was so Dwyane Wade esque it's not even funny!

Dion Waiter is mid to late 1rd this is how deep this draft is ...


Dion Waiters = Rodney Stuckey clone

Not even close, Stuckey's a bum. Waiters has the swagger and the game to go with

Hahaaaa... Waiters ceiling is Stuckey and his floor right now is D league all star ... Stuckey is good NBA player
with allot of room to be much better then he is now.

[CunningLinguist]

And all of those players had similar stats to Drummond? Got the links handy?

quote="Leolovinliberal" Man, you love over hyped under performing players, huh? Can you name me one college player of similar size and stature to Drummond that put up similar stats who was drafted in the lottery and went on to become an NBA All Star or at least have a very long and productive career? Just one.

My what a very long and interesting list of criteria you have there.

Well how about the freshman years of these gentlemen for starters:

Tim Duncan
Akeem Olajuwon (as he was then known)
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
David Robinson

And, no I'm not comparing Drummond to them as players, just comparing freshman stats to point out the warptness of your criteria.

The point is, you have to look at how a player is likely to translate to the next level rather than relying simply on production in college. Drummond has a lot of potential. Whether on not he reaches it is anyone's guess.

Google is your friend.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Let's see if Sullinger is taller than Joseph.

My man, FluLike, you've soured quite a bit on this draft Is it Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb or bust for ya?

Hey, I'm feeling mixed myself. Obviously, I'd be happy with anybody we draft, but I'm hot and cold on some of these guys.

Let's see if this guy, Dion Waiters, can elevate himself here vs. Ohio St.

What can I say, you're depressing when you're depressed.

I like Lamb, sure. I like Quincy Miller a lot more than most do and I would gamble on Drummond. Those three would be my 2nd tier. I do like Beal but think he has a lower ceiling than some, particularly on defense. At number 6 and 7 and I probably go with PJ3 and MKG. I guess the 2nd half of my lotto would be comprised of Marshall, Harkless, Leonard, Barnes, Ross, Burke and Lillard in some order. Maybe Tony Mitchell gets in there but I've only seen him twice.

But, yeah, I hate them all at least a little.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Hahaaaa... Waiters ceiling is Stuckey and his floor right now is D league all star ... Stuckey is good NBA player
with allot of room to be much better then he is now.

The inevitable Rodney Stuckey comparison for a combo guard, not to be mistaken for the Michael Jordan shooting guard comparison or the Kevin Garnett power forward comparison. You'll be no where to be found when he proves better than Stuckey though, I know your type. It's ok, you're a dime a dozen...

[sunny]

It is very important to realize that ncaa scoring has SIGNIFICANTLY decreased in recent years. Thus making stat comparison from different years difficult to evaluate and a bit skewed.

This should be taken into consideration when comparing players. Also, it is worth looking into the RPI of the team the player is on you are analyzing to assess their level of competition.

[sunny]

I am a sucker for the concept of the NCAA tournament and am probably the only person in the universe whose lucky numbers are 13, 29, 30 and 54. (They are the cable channels upon which CBS, TNT, TBS and TruTV broadcast the Big Dance.) I always get choked up when watching "One Shining Moment," even though the team I want never wins it. But for the first time in my big-screen-watching life, I worry about college hoops because it has gone off the tracks and is in danger of becoming a Big Fat Bore.

The games take too long, the pace is too slow, and so few points are scored that it's starting to make a Kansas City Royals-Minnesota Twins game seem exciting.

On the first weekend of the NCAA tournament, only five of the 48 games ended with both teams scoring at least 70 points. A decade ago, at the 2002 tournament, that total was 15 games. In the 1992 tournament it was 16.
It's a toxic combination: fewer points and less activity. College basketball is no longer an artistic success because the pool of available talent, those you'd once find on the ballot for the John Wooden Award, rarely plays more than two seasons of college ball. The talent is strained and to cover for that gap, coaches take more control. Scoring has plummeted.

Fifteen years ago, in the first two rounds of the NCAA tournament, the winner's average score was 76.7. Ten years ago, in 2002, it was 81.4.

This year it was 65.9.

Incredibly, if your team scored just 67 points in the first weekend of the tournament (that's 48 total games), it would have gone 38-9-1.

This is exceedingly difficult to fathom in Tucson, where as recently as 2003 and 2004, Lute Olson's Arizona Wildcats led the NCAA in scoring with 87.6 and 85.2 points per game.

Now, nobody runs. It's a half-court game. It's Herb Sendek controlling the programming. The evolution of college basketball is so thorough that you almost choke when reminded that UNLV won the 1990 national title by averaging 95.1 points in the tournament. That's how ridiculously talented the Rebels were and how entertaining college basketball used to be.

When UCLA won the 1995 national title, the Bruins averaged 86.3 points. Now there are almost no transition baskets. Now, UConn is the defending national champ after averaging 66.1 points in last year's tournament.

We are not safe from crawl ball. It has infected Arizona basketball as much as it has overtaken the Big Dance and all that rolls on the Road to the Final Four.

The Wildcats scored in the 50s on nine occasions this year. From 1992 to the conclusion of the Lute Olson era, it scored in the 50s just eight times (covering more than 500 games) in the regular season.

[CunningLinguist]

Maybe it's just me, but does Bradley Beal play below the rim a little bit? He doesn't get his hand at rim level when he goes up for a lay-up. Same goes for Barnes. Only player that at least gets up there is probably MKG and Jeremy Lamb.

It's funny, 'cause I think MKG plays below the rim himself, but with him, because he's got above average size, it isn't as glaring as it is for a guy like Beal. But, again, I've seen MKG miss a fair share of shots at the rim, only to use his second-jump to grab the ball back, and put it in off the carom.

Jeremy Lamb, I agree with. I'd like to see him to get to the rim more though.

For a while there I thought I was the only one who felt that way.

[Dr Positivity]

I agree that MKG, Barnes, Beal, Robinson, Drummond being the so called 2nd tier is VERY underwhelming considering the hype of this draft.

This is MY 2nd tier, all players I could see making all-star teams, though maybe as the 2nd best guy on his team all-star variety:

2. Meyers Leonard
3. Jeremy Lamb
4. Thomas Robinson
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Perry Jones III
7. Arnett Moultrie
8. Bradley Beal

Robinson is the guy I'm warming up on more than I was a month ago. The one thing I like more as I watch clips of him is his ballhandling ability. If he can be a guy who can handle the ball in a face-up/explosiveness bump to the rim, that makes a huge difference for his offensive upside. I also love the idea of him and JVal together for their rebounding and toughness. Also I'm almost certain we're not taking Leonard or Lamb, so if it comes down to the usual suspects, I like Robinson

[Saciid11]

Hahaaaa... Waiters ceiling is Stuckey and his floor right now is D league all star ... Stuckey is good NBA player
with allot of room to be much better then he is now.

The inevitable Rodney Stuckey comparison for a combo guard, not to be mistaken for the Michael Jordan shooting guard comparison or the Kevin Garnett power forward comparison. You'll be no where to be found when he proves better than Stuckey though, I know your type. It's ok, you're a dime a dozen...

You are underrating Stuckey and overrating Dion...

[Leolovinliberal]

I didn't make the claim, you did. Back it up.

And all of those players had similar stats to Drummond? Got the links handy?

uote="Leolovinliberal" Man, you love over hyped under performing players, huh? Can you name me one college player of similar size and stature to Drummond that put up similar stats who was drafted in the lottery and went on to become an NBA All Star or at least have a very long and productive career? Just one.

My what a very long and interesting list of criteria you have there.

Well how about the freshman years of these gentlemen for starters:

Tim Duncan
Akeem Olajuwon (as he was then known)
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
David Robinson

And, no I'm not comparing Drummond to them as players, just comparing freshman stats to point out the warptness of your criteria.

The point is, you have to look at how a player is likely to translate to the next level rather than relying simply on production in college. Drummond has a lot of potential. Whether on not he reaches it is anyone's guess.

Google is your friend.[/quote]

[Marlo Stanfield]

Hahaaaa... Waiters ceiling is Stuckey and his floor right now is D league all star ... Stuckey is good NBA player
with allot of room to be much better then he is now.

The inevitable Rodney Stuckey comparison for a combo guard, not to be mistaken for the Michael Jordan shooting guard comparison or the Kevin Garnett power forward comparison. You'll be no where to be found when he proves better than Stuckey though, I know your type. It's ok, you're a dime a dozen...

You are underrating Stuckey and overrating Dion...

Your opinion versus mine. This is going no where...

[sunny]

updated with nbadraft.net and draftexpress today:


Scott Howard-Cooper from nba.com (march 20th)

1) Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Andre Drummond
4) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Brad Beal
7) Thomas Robinson
8) Cody Zeller
9) James Mcadoo
10) Perry Jones
11) Jeremy Lamb
12) Damian Lillard
13) John Henson
14) Austin Rivers

nbadraft.net (march 23)

1)Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5) Andre Drummond
6) Jeremy Lamb
7) Arnett Moultrie
8) Brad Beal
9) Meyers Leonard
10) Jared Sullinger
11) Austin Rivers
12) Damian Lillard


Chad Ford (march 17)
1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Brad Beal
5) Harrison Barnes
6) Andre Drummond
7) James Mcadoo
8) Perry Jones
9) Cody Zeller
10) Jared Sullinger
11) Tyler Zeller
12) Damian Lillard
13) Jeremy Lamb


draft express (march 23)

1) anthony davis
2) andre drummond
3) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4) Thomas Robinson
5) Brad Beal
6) Jared Sullinger
7) Harrison Barnes
12) Jeremy Lamb

pretty weird, with Marshall going down not up. Here is his daily update:

draft express march 24th

1) Anthony Davis
2) Andre Drummond
3) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4) Thomas Robinson
5) Brad Beal
6) Jared Sullinger
7) Harrison Barnes
8) John Henson
9) Cody Zeller
10) Perry Jones
11) Tyler Zeller
12) Terrence Jones
13) Jeremy Lamb
14) Damian Lillard
15) Kendall MArshall

[Leolovinliberal]

You're supposed to source your articles

I am a sucker for the concept of the NCAA tournament and am probably the only person in the universe whose lucky numbers are 13, 29, 30 and 54. (They are the cable channels upon which CBS, TNT, TBS and TruTV broadcast the Big Dance.) I always get choked up when watching "One Shining Moment," even though the team I want never wins it. But for the first time in my big-screen-watching life, I worry about college hoops because it has gone off the tracks and is in danger of becoming a Big Fat Bore.

The games take too long, the pace is too slow, and so few points are scored that it's starting to make a Kansas City Royals-Minnesota Twins game seem exciting.

On the first weekend of the NCAA tournament, only five of the 48 games ended with both teams scoring at least 70 points. A decade ago, at the 2002 tournament, that total was 15 games. In the 1992 tournament it was 16.
It's a toxic combination: fewer points and less activity. College basketball is no longer an artistic success because the pool of available talent, those you'd once find on the ballot for the John Wooden Award, rarely plays more than two seasons of college ball. The talent is strained and to cover for that gap, coaches take more control. Scoring has plummeted.

Fifteen years ago, in the first two rounds of the NCAA tournament, the winner's average score was 76.7. Ten years ago, in 2002, it was 81.4.

This year it was 65.9.

Incredibly, if your team scored just 67 points in the first weekend of the tournament (that's 48 total games), it would have gone 38-9-1.

This is exceedingly difficult to fathom in Tucson, where as recently as 2003 and 2004, Lute Olson's Arizona Wildcats led the NCAA in scoring with 87.6 and 85.2 points per game.

Now, nobody runs. It's a half-court game. It's Herb Sendek controlling the programming. The evolution of college basketball is so thorough that you almost choke when reminded that UNLV won the 1990 national title by averaging 95.1 points in the tournament. That's how ridiculously talented the Rebels were and how entertaining college basketball used to be.

When UCLA won the 1995 national title, the Bruins averaged 86.3 points. Now there are almost no transition baskets. Now, UConn is the defending national champ after averaging 66.1 points in last year's tournament.

We are not safe from crawl ball. It has infected Arizona basketball as much as it has overtaken the Big Dance and all that rolls on the Road to the Final Four.

The Wildcats scored in the 50s on nine occasions this year. From 1992 to the conclusion of the Lute Olson era, it scored in the 50s just eight times (covering more than 500 games) in the regular season.

[sunny]

http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/ ... b2a0c.html

[Mediocrity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S_DdUN7E7Q

Even if you do not like Robinson as a prospect, you at least have to check out this video; it is impossible to not root for him. It is good to see that some of you guys are coming over to the T-Rob bandwagon, it has been a lonely place ha