Game Thread 3/24 Hawks @ Wizards

dandridge 10 · Post #121 » by **dandridge 10** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:45 am

I think the only mistake that Wittman made at the end was not too go to Nene more in the post. It seemed like they weren't even looking for Nene in the second half. I would have been running the offense through him more given the way he as playing.

Also, regarding Crawford, the thing I love about him is the thing that also brings him down as a player. I really like the confidence he plays with and the competitive fire he has. However, his confidence and competitiveness leads him to think he can win a game on his own, which leads to horrible shots. I'd like to see Wittman try to coach him a little more by sitting him when he takes bad shots.

closg00 · Post #122 » by **closg00** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:48 am

dandridge 10 wrote:I think the only mistake that Wittman made at the end was not too go to Nene more in the post. It seemed like they weren't even looking for Nene in the second half. I would have been running the offense through him more given the way he as playing.

Also, regarding Crawford, the thing I love about him is the thing that also brings him down as a player. I really like the confidence he plays with and the competitive fire he has. However, his confidence and competitiveness leads him to think he can win a game on his own, which leads to horrible shots. I'd like to see Wittman try to coach him a little more by sitting him when he takes bad shots.

On the last play, did Witt have his best shooters on the floor?

hands11 · Post #123 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:52 am

Great write up on how Boston does it with Ray Allen, PP and Garnet.

Now if we had one player out of the three that ran that play here, maybe it would have looked better. :wink:

Ray Allen and PP is a great SG SF combo. Purest of shooters and a HOF player and a true SF who can do everything from the position. Shoot, drive, hit free throws, hit 3 balls.

It makes a difference.

He may only be D leaguer, but Edwin Ubiles is the one player right now who can really help this team. They really need a lot more from the SF position. There is just a huge hole there. Singleton played better on offense tonight and so did Edwin, but neither are crunch time quality.

As for Wall, with Nene, they are a different team. He has to feed the post more and it will be more set plays then before. Inside out. I wouldnt bash him to much. I guess he needs to adjust.

popper · Post #124 » by **popper** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am

At this point in his development, Wall has no idea how to close a game out. It appears that he too often wants to be the one to hit the winning shot instead of the one who manages the game to a winning conclusion. It's either bad coaching or he's not listening to the coaches.

Crawford has the same hero ball inclination at the end of games. Our opponents know this and take advantage of it.

hands11 · Post #125 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:56 am

At least Wall sounded like a leader in the post game. He owned his poor play but wasnt down.

hands11 · Post #126 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:04 am

closg00 wrote:
dandridge 10 wrote:I think the only mistake that Wittman made at the end was not too go to Nene more in the post. It seemed like they weren't even looking for Nene in the second half. I would have been running the offense through him more given the way he as playing.

Also, regarding Crawford, the thing I love about him is the thing that also brings him down as a player. I really like the confidence he plays with and the competitive fire he has. However, his confidence and competitiveness leads him to think he can win a game on his own, which leads to horrible shots. I'd like to see Wittman try to coach him a little more by sitting him when he takes bad shots.

On the last play, did Witt have his best shooters on the floor?

Yeah

He had Mack, Singleton, Ves, KS and Hamady.

Off course he did.

Wall, Crawford, Mason, Singleton, Nene

but since Wall was so cold I guess he could have gone.

Craword, Mason, Edwin, Singleton, Nene

or

Craword, Mason, Edwin, Booker, Nene

But hard to say his line up was bad.

dandridge 10 · Post #127 » by **dandridge 10** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:09 am

closg00 wrote:
dandridge 10 wrote:I think the only mistake that Wittman made at the end was not too go to Nene more in the post. It seemed like they weren't even looking for Nene in the second half. I would have been running the offense through him more given the way he as playing.

Also, regarding Crawford, the thing I love about him is the thing that also brings him down as a player. I really like the confidence he plays with and the competitive fire he has. However, his confidence and competitiveness leads him to think he can win a game on his own, which leads to horrible shots. I'd like to see Wittman try to coach him a little more by sitting him when he takes bad shots.

On the last play, did Witt have his best shooters on the floor?

Mason and Crawford were both in the last possession. I would say they are the Wiz best shooters, so yes. I guess an argument could be made that Mo Evans should have been in, but he had not played the whole game so I'm not going to fault Witt there. Who else on this team are great shooters? We really don't have any.

wackywabbit · Post #128 » by **wackywabbit** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:14 am

I can explain it all:

Man, I wish I still had my photoshop trial, instead of just paint

Earth2Ted · Post #129 » by **Earth2Ted** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:22 am

John Wall must have the flu or something- he's looked like he's moving at about half speed the last few games. Teague and Hinrich are two guys he should absolutely be killing, and he spent the game walking the ball upcourt, handing it off to someone and then hiding in the corner. If he has his average 17 and 8 game, we win going away.

Maybe what he needs is another game against Jeremy Lin to inspire him- it really seemed like after that Knicks game Wall was mixing up his game and changing speeds for a while, but he's started to go back to full speed or nothing. If he plays like this against the Knicks in 3 wks at MSG he's going to get embarrassed.

ST21 · Post #130 » by **ST21** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:23 am

hands11 wrote: I owned his poor play but wasnt down.

what does this mean in english?

hands11 · Post #131 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:24 am

popper wrote:At this point in his development, Wall has no idea how to close a game out. It appears that he too often wants to be the one to hit the winning shot instead of the one who manages the game to a winning conclusion. It's either bad coaching or he's not listening to the coaches.

Crawford has the same hero ball inclination at the end of games. Our opponents know this and take advantage of it.

Actually the exact opposite happened.

Nene whiffed on a back pick as Wall ran to take the inbound so his defender was right on his tail. It was Kirk. A good defender. Crawford then fought really hard to set a pick at the top of the key and probably fouled the guy doing it knocking him to the ground and taking out Kirk in the process. Wall was wide open for 3. Instead he passed it to Mason who was covered on a very good Atlanta switch. So Mason passed back to Wall who worked his way left and tried to use a Nene screen. Nene was confused because he was open up top. He was ready to catch the pass and keep the ball moving but Wall dribbled toward him instead to get a pick. Nene set a late weak pick. Atlanta switched again. Wall pump faked and his defender flow by him and Wall was open for the 3 but missed. That could have easily gone in for the tie.

Atlanta was defending the 3 line because that was what the Wiz needed. Best open shot was Walls first open look after Crawford took out two defenders and left Wall wide open. That would have been with 10 seconds on the clock. Had he taken that shoot people would have been pissed he was a chucker. And even if he made it, ATL would get the ball again with 10 second. Even though ugly, Wall did have a decent look at the end that he could have made.

Needing a 3 ball against Atlanta when you are the Wizards is not a winning formula.

jivelikenice · Post #132 » by **jivelikenice** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:27 am

Its been "Stand around" John again...He needs to be involved early. If he's just passing and standing around to start games he doesn't get in the flow and stays ineffective. he needs to shoot a few jumpers early to get his rhythm. There are two problems though:

1. Jordan Crawford- He is an absolute ball stopper. He started off strong but but he's dominating the ball and taking all the shots. He's getting nobody else involved and while he's playing one on one the rest of the guys are not getting in the flow.

2. John Wall- He needs to take ownership. I loved the way he came out v. the Hornets. The trade went down and he came out like it was his team. Now that Nene is here and Crawford is in heist mode he's taking a back seat and he can't play like that. Its his team...He needs to act like it....

hands11 · Post #133 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:29 am

ST21 wrote:
hands11 wrote: He owned his poor play but wasnt down.

what does this mean in english?

What part aren't you following ?

jivelikenice · Post #134 » by **jivelikenice** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:33 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
MDStar wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Wall is not a great player. Many nights he plays great. Big difference.

He's a 2nd year player with no real help until about 3 games ago. Even Wade had Shaq in his 2nd season to carry most of the burden while he just did his thing. No such luxury here.

Tonight, Crawford was balling through 3 1/2 quarters.

Nene was very strong in the first.

Wall just stunk tonight. Teague outplayed him. Hinrich got the best of Mack and Crawford late.

Crawford's balling comes at the expense of everyone else on the floor. We played our best game versus NO recently and that was when took ownership of the team. If Crawford is the focal point offensively we're not learning anything other than standing around and watchign someone play one on one. He scored well in the 1st quarter but only him & Nene scored all but 2 pts and ATL tied it up. That's not balling. That's padding stats at the expense of team ball.

hands11 · Post #135 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:33 am

jivelikenice wrote:Its been "Stand around" John again...He needs to be involved early. If he's just passing and standing around to start games he doesn't get in the flow and stays ineffective. he needs to shoot a few jumpers early to get his rhythm. There are two problems though:

1. Jordan Crawford- He is an absolute ball stopper. He started off strong but but he's dominating the ball and taking all the shots. He's getting nobody else involved and while he's playing one on one the rest of the guys are not getting in the flow.

2. John Wall- He needs to take ownership. I loved the way he came out v. the Hornets. The trade went down and he came out like it was his team. Now that Nene is here and Crawford is in heist mode he's taking a back seat and he can't play like that. Its his team...He needs to act like it....

I think a lot of it was address in Randy's post game. They are a different team with Nene. They are trying to be more inside out and run sets. Wall will need to learn that. They were more run and gun before. This team hasn't had a vet center so they will have to learn how to play with one.

ST21 · Post #136 » by **ST21** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:34 am

hands11 wrote:
ST21 wrote:
hands11 wrote: He owned his poor play but wasnt down.

what does this mean in english?

What part aren't you following ?

the part that you edited. but i follow you now.

jivelikenice · Post #137 » by **jivelikenice** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:37 am

MOrgil wrote:Wall's offensive game is raw, it has so many holes. He has no jumper, no floater, and sub-par dribbling and passing.

Foolish when people say he has no jumper. He had a stretch of 20 games recently where he shot the mid range very effectively. The problem is when he plays passive. I've rarely seen him struggle when he is aggressive early in a game. He needs to set the tone early and not let clowns like Crawford, Young, Dray, McGee, etc...take the reigns away from him. He backs down too easily to the will of overzealous teammates

hands11 · Post #138 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:45 am

jivelikenice wrote:
MOrgil wrote:Wall's offensive game is raw, it has so many holes. He has no jumper, no floater, and sub-par dribbling and passing.

Foolish when people say he has no jumper. He had a stretch of 20 games recently where he shot the mid range very effectively. The problem is when he plays passive. I've rarely seen him struggle when he is aggressive early in a game. He needs to set the tone early and not let clowns like Crawford, Young, Dray, McGee, etc...take the reigns away from him. He backs down too easily to the will of overzealous teammates

Yeah, his J has come a long way this year and some nights it is actually wet. He got to leaning and getting off balance. It didnt fall and then he lost confidence in it.

Biggest problem though it the wiz didnt have Josh Smith on their team. They really need a quality SF.

Side not - Wow, Beal is up to #5 now. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

tontoz · Post #139 » by **tontoz** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:46 am

Wall's jumper is still a major concern. Even though his accuracy has improved his release is slow which makes it easy to contest.

He also looked like he wasn't playing with much energy tonight.

tontoz · Post #140 » by **tontoz** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:54 am

The Wizards look like they are turning into a good defensive team. Only 1 team has scored over 100 against them since the trade and Nene didn't play in that game. You don't see all those uncontested layups now without Blatche and McGee.