How Miami can go after Kaman next season

[lolcat]

still pissed of at Dalembert smh.

[RhapidKid]

Thank God we didn't get Dalembert....

[lolcat]

Really? I thought he wouldve been a great fit

[RhapidKid]

Really? I thought he wouldve been a great fit

Well he didn't come down here. He chose not to. We have Turiaf now.

[lolcat]

yeah thats why I hate him for chasing the $$$ lol. its all good.. we got Turiaf. dude is really a perfect fit personality wise

[iboxlefty]

We might need a point guard too, for cheap... Calderon? Jarret Jack tho he's a Heat hater...

[RhapidKid]

We might need a point guard too, for cheap... Calderon? Jarret Jack tho he's a Heat hater...

Wait WTF? WTF would anyone want that fool Jarrett Jack? Don't wanna EVER see that fool in a Heat uniform. He was one of those b*tching about our 9-8 start last season like it had anything to do with him. Don't even want to go into all of that right now.

[Beasley]

Jarrett Jack lol.

Priorities. Priorities. Let's address our center position first! We have an undrafted former D-leaguer as our starting center, who is backed up by 2 former 400+ pound behemoths!

[Mundo]

Can we trade this 7.5 million trade exemption for a pick? Or to move up in the draft?

[GreenHat]

They wouldn't want Miller, the 3M Miami's sending their way doesn't make up for the 2 years, 12.M left on Miller's deal. And Kaman would probably still be underpaid at 7.25. For comparison, Haywood will 8.3 next season, and Kaman is probably worth at least as much as Haywood, no?

Fact is, Cole and Pittman would in theory be Miami's best trade assets, but the problem is neither really has played enough minutes at a high enough level to be worth anything on the trade market, and their total salary is nil, so its not like you can get anything back for them. Miami's threat to sign Lebron/Bosh outright was credible because they could get the full max that way, and their return package was palatable because it didn't hamstring either franchise with a contract it didn't want.

The Hornets would basically have to pay $9 mil for a guy they don't in order to get a couple low draft picks (who they'd also have to pay) and maybe Dexter Pittman. Not happening

Mopper his contract is actually even WORSE than that. He has a player option AFTER those two more seasons for 6.8 million. There is no way he is opting out because he won't even be a mini MLE guy by then.

So its 3 more seasons AFTER this one for 18.6 million.

This is why I have been bitching about this contract since forever. Giving a 5 year deal to an old injury prone player who is nowhere near a star was a huge mistake but most people didn't notice because they were too caught up in the huge offseason.

Then this offseason I wanted to amnesty him and use the full MLE and the bi annual instead of just the mini Mle.

His contract is even worse now that the full MLE is lower. He's has a bigger than full MLE contract and he is a marginal player.

I agree with you that Miller has no trade value, especially for Kaman but I think you are underselling just how bad his contract is. The Hornets would absolutely be better off getting nothing for Kaman than trading with us for Miller plus anything other than the big 3.

And yeah Kaman is going to want more than that.

Your reasoning for why they wouldn't do it I agree with completely.

[Lord Leoshes]

Player X talked bad about my team & i am emotionally unbalanced so even if it makes my team better i don't want player X on my team.

[GreenHat]

We just saw the Lakers essentially using a very late 1st round draft pick to a) dump the terrible contracts of Luke Walton and Jason Kapono who have absolutely no game whatsoever and b) acquire a young and talent starting point guard.

This suggests to me that Miami dumping the salary of a player like Mike Miller who is actually a decent player for a talented yet old starting center (who is going to leave his team in free-agency anyway) is actually not that implausible.

The Hornets may not have to keep Miller if they can flip him in a separate deal with another team who is wanting a shooter. Think Minnesota who is desperate for a shooter and seems to love white guys for Darko who's salary matches and is soon to expire and no longer gets playing time due to Pekovic and Tolliver. Think Chicago who are desperate (see Rip Hamilton signing) for something that might put them over the edge and could dangle Korver's soon to be expiring for someone who is as a good a shooter, but can do other things also.

Cole has some trade value. Pittman not so much. Either way as you said, they don't earn enough to package them alone. Pittman could be packaged with Miller to enable Kaman to resign for more. I think the way around Kaman being slightly underpaid even at $7.25M pa is that you sign him to a long deal. A 5 year deal with maximum increases could pay him around $45M. It's unlikely that he would be worth anymore than an average of $9M over those 5 years. In his last year (or two) he would be getting significantly overpaid.

I agree that it's tricky. We've seen teams do deals for 1st round picks who expire in the year after the current season. We haven't really seen these deals for contracts that expire in 2+ years time. Having said that Miller can be somewhat productive as compared to the likes of Walton and Kapono etc.

I still think that this is what they are hoping to do, and who better to orchestrate it than Pat Riley I say.

That trade was horrible for the Cavs and I wouldn't count on that again. Plus Miller's contract is much worse than Walton's, it has a whole extra year on it.

Also there are less teams looking for a pg than are looking for a center.

Miller can no longer be considered a decent player and he has a horrible contract. If Miller counts as a decent player then there are teams out there who would give up 3 or 4 decent players for Kaman.

No one is giving up an expiring or soon to be expiring contract for Miller. He has 3 more years left and is injury prone while not being a game changer even if he does play. There is no way they are going to be able to flip him for anything good. You are suggesting they flip him for an expiring contract. Why don't they just let Kaman expire then?

Cole has very little trade calue as a late first round pick who doesn't play and doesn't have a big upside.

Miller is worth less than Walton (because of the extra year) and the Lakers threw in a 1st round pick this year. We wouldn't be able to throw in a first for a while because we still own a bunch.

No way we get a rotation player for a Miller centered trade, let alone a good starting center. Miller has huge negative trade value and any team we try to trade him to would view him as a salary dump by us and would expect us to throw in more not give us a starting center for having to eat his contract.

[Ditchweed]

We might need a point guard too, for cheap... Calderon? Jarret Jack tho he's a Heat hater...

Calderon? He has a $10.5m contract for next year. How do you plan to get him? Toronto wouldn't take anybody you would offer. Well, on second thought, Miller and Cole and a #1 draft pick ... maybe ... about the only possibility and that's only if they like Cole.

[DefenseWins]

Calderon cost 10 mil?

PASS

[HIF]

As much as I'd like to see Kaman here next season I really don't think it's possible. What I could see is Miami starting draftees 1,2,4 and 5 from the 2003 draft as opposed to 1,4,5,6 if it were Kaman. I'm pretty sure that Adelman will get rid of Darko in the off-season and I could see him being picked up by Miami.

Sure he's a bust at no.2 but he's still better than anything the Heat have at Center.

Who knows we might pick up Hinrich too and have a starting 5 from the top 7 of the 2003 draft.

[Altered_Beast]

still mad we gave up beasley to get MM and haslem. dude couldve been a straight baller for us off the bench or even as the starting PF.

[RhapidKid]

still mad we gave up beasley to get MM and haslem. dude couldve been a straight baller for us off the bench or even as the starting PF.

Really wish we could get him back.