Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[Nivek]

Whatever happens with Lewis has to happen by June 30. Otherwise it'll cost the Wizards an additional $9 million, and there's no way they're going to leave $9 million in real savings get away.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I was content with letting McGee walk this offseason and like many I'm not comfortable with the size and length of Nene's contract.

That said, simply getting rid of McGee has done wonders to our defense and interior toughness. Seraphin has been a revelation and is already way ahead of where Javale was at this point in his career.

The McGee experiment needed to come to an end and I for one am glad that he's no longer part of the team.

Now that the Wizards have Nene, a real revelation would be hiring a coach who is smart enough to put Nene at PF and Seraphin at C. Booker can be a real good sub. A common sense move that would really improve the team's size, interior defense, and FG% in the paint would be a revelation.

I would like the looks of Vesely, Nene, Seraphin if the Wizards could add a big-time scorer at SG who is not a chucker.

[tontoz]

Now that the Wizards have Nene, a real revelation would be hiring a coach who is smart enough to put Nene at PF and Seraphin at C.

I think the fly in the ointment is Vesely. I think Wittman is under orders to play Ves and he would rather play him next to Seraphin rather than Booker. If they were in win now mode i don't think Vesely would play at all and Seraphin would play with Nene fairly frequently.

[nate33]

Now that the Wizards have Nene, a real revelation would be hiring a coach who is smart enough to put Nene at PF and Seraphin at C. Booker can be a real good sub. A common sense move that would really improve the team's size, interior defense, and FG% in the paint would be a revelation.

Don't worry. It'll happen. It already has happened. Seraphin might not start alongside Nene, but he and Nene combined are going to total more than 48 minutes a game. That means he'll play alongside Nene at times.

[fishercob]

Now that the Wizards have Nene, a real revelation would be hiring a coach who is smart enough to put Nene at PF and Seraphin at C. Booker can be a real good sub. A common sense move that would really improve the team's size, interior defense, and FG% in the paint would be a revelation.

Don't worry. It'll happen. It already has happened. Seraphin might not start alongside Nene, but he and Nene combined are going to total more than 48 minutes a game. That means he'll play alongside Nene at times.

This would seem logical, right? Despite several assertions that "Nene is a center" he seems like an Al Horford type that is better at PF.

Denver also traded Nene because of the emergence of Faried -- a power forward. I like Nene and Kevin together. I hope Kevin beats Booker out fair and square and that Trevor becomes the 3rd big.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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.... The main point was that Denver fell apart without Nene, not so much that McGee has made matters worse.

McGee certainly hasn't made matters better though. You can't just excuse the fact that Denver has given up 115, 121 and 117 points in McGee's 3 games. You know as well as I do that McGee plays terrible team defense and is a disaster on the pick and roll. It's a good bet that his defense was a factor in the Detroit game. McGee muffs up the pick and roll defense, the rest of the team is forced to rotate, and Ben Gordon is left alone to nail a 3.

Tonight, Denver 108, Chicago 91

McGee 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks, and was +13 in 24 minutes.
Noah 2 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks, and was -16 in 23 minutes.

The Bulls have the league's best record and the toughest defense.

McGee was scoreless at half and the game was close.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

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.... The main point was that Denver fell apart without Nene, not so much that McGee has made matters worse.

McGee certainly hasn't made matters better though. You can't just excuse the fact that Denver has given up 115, 121 and 117 points in McGee's 3 games. You know as well as I do that McGee plays terrible team defense and is a disaster on the pick and roll. It's a good bet that his defense was a factor in the Detroit game. McGee muffs up the pick and roll defense, the rest of the team is forced to rotate, and Ben Gordon is left alone to nail a 3.

Tonight, Denver 108, Chicago 91

McGee 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks, and was +13 in 24 minutes.
Noah 2 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks, and was -16 in 23 minutes.


Anyone get the WTF count?

The Bulls have the league's best record and the toughest defense.

McGee was scoreless at half and the game was close.

[nate33]

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.... The main point was that Denver fell apart without Nene, not so much that McGee has made matters worse.

McGee certainly hasn't made matters better though. You can't just excuse the fact that Denver has given up 115, 121 and 117 points in McGee's 3 games. You know as well as I do that McGee plays terrible team defense and is a disaster on the pick and roll. It's a good bet that his defense was a factor in the Detroit game. McGee muffs up the pick and roll defense, the rest of the team is forced to rotate, and Ben Gordon is left alone to nail a 3.

Tonight, Denver 108, Chicago 91

McGee 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks, and was +13 in 24 minutes.
Noah 2 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks, and was -16 in 23 minutes.

The Bulls have the league's best record and the toughest defense.

McGee was scoreless at half and the game was close.

One small footnote to the game: Chicago played without Rose.

McGee looked like he did a pretty good job though. 10 pts and 8 boards in 24 minutes while going +13 is pretty nice.

[youngthegiant]

guys thanks for mcgee, this guy does make mistakes and he does do some silly plays but i cannot deny how much of an impact he has on both ends(and will only get better). Sure this team has struggled recently but i think that's because everyone needs time to gel together again. Adding wilson chandler and mcgee has changed the dynamic of this team. Offensively Mcgee and chandler are still trying to fit in and they have been showing some improvement as of late. Hopefully we can sneak into the playoffs and throw these young guys into the fire. They might get their butts kicked but they will need the experience. Good luck with nene, gonna miss my friendly giant.

[miller31time]

guys thanks for mcgee, this guy does make mistakes and he does do some silly plays but i cannot deny how much of an impact he has on both ends(and will only get better). Sure this team has struggled recently but i think that's because everyone needs time to gel together again. Adding wilson chandler and mcgee has changed the dynamic of this team. Offensively Mcgee and chandler are still trying to fit in and they have been showing some improvement as of late. Hopefully we can sneak into the playoffs and throw these young guys into the fire. They might get their butts kicked but they will need the experience. Good luck with nene, gonna miss my friendly giant.

McGee definitely has the ability to impress. He did it here in D.C and I'm not surprised in the least bit that he's showing signs of brilliance in Denver too.

The problems have never been whether he can do ___ or ___ but whether he can control himself, play with consistency and realize that the game of basketball is bigger than any one player.

And the mistakes and silly plays may seem harmless now but if and when he's re-signed to a 10+mil per year contract, they'll be micro-analyzed and not so easy to swallow -- especially if it comes packaged with little improvement in the I.Q department.

Not trying to be a damper, though. Anyone with eyes can see McGee has the potential to be a dominant force on both ends of the floor and I really hope he can do it. I've never disliked JaVale the person. Just the basketball player on occasion.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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.... The main point was that Denver fell apart without Nene, not so much that McGee has made matters worse.

McGee certainly hasn't made matters better though. You can't just excuse the fact that Denver has given up 115, 121 and 117 points in McGee's 3 games. You know as well as I do that McGee plays terrible team defense and is a disaster on the pick and roll. It's a good bet that his defense was a factor in the Detroit game. McGee muffs up the pick and roll defense, the rest of the team is forced to rotate, and Ben Gordon is left alone to nail a 3.

Tonight, Denver 108, Chicago 91

McGee 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks, and was +13 in 24 minutes.
Noah 2 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks, and was -16 in 23 minutes.

The Bulls have the league's best record and the toughest defense.

McGee was scoreless at half and the game was close.

One small footnote to the game: Chicago played without Rose.

McGee looked like he did a pretty good job though. 10 pts and 8 boards in 24 minutes while going +13 is pretty nice.

Chicago had won 4 in a row, all without Rose. They had won 8 of 10.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

guys thanks for mcgee, this guy does make mistakes and he does do some silly plays but i cannot deny how much of an impact he has on both ends(and will only get better). Sure this team has struggled recently but i think that's because everyone needs time to gel together again. Adding wilson chandler and mcgee has changed the dynamic of this team. Offensively Mcgee and chandler are still trying to fit in and they have been showing some improvement as of late. Hopefully we can sneak into the playoffs and throw these young guys into the fire. They might get their butts kicked but they will need the experience. Good luck with nene, gonna miss my friendly giant.

McGee at this point of his career is probably farther along than Tyson Chandler was. Being on a different team is going to make a huge difference with McGee. I think he's going to impress in Denver.

[Silvie Lysandra]

That is untrue no matter how many times you keep repeating it. Higher PER = / = better, unless you want to argue that McGee is better than 24 year old Ben Wallace, 23 year old Jermaine O'Neal, or 24 year old Rasheed Wallace, or any number of centers that don't put up the gaudy PER stats that McGee does but contribute to actual quality team play.

[closg00]

Denver is going to end-up signing JaVale to a reasonable contract, maybe even less than what DeAndre got from the Clippers. In the off-season they will work on his game, they will find a way to utilize his talents in a way that helps their team.

[closg00]

Since Pete Vecsey's wisdom is so higly valued here.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_spo ... oqLGW99N/1

[Silvie Lysandra]

The level of optimism people have about McGee's future is stunning.

I think it's a product of this "bigs develop slower" crap except it's mostly not true - have you ever seen a star big, or even a starting quality big, who looked like a bench player through 4 full seasons?

People want to make the Chandler comparison, but you wanna know what Chandler was in year TWO, let alone year FOUR? An elite rebounding and defensive big man who was a key cog on one of the better defensive teams in the NBA at the time.

You wanna know what Javale McGee is NOW in year FOUR? A mediocre offensive and terrible defensive big man who gets an above-average amount of rebounds and an insane amount of blocks that do nothing to help team defense, while making four or five boneheaded plays every game. And you think going to Denver is gonna fix all this?

This isn't trading C-Webb or Sheed or Ben. All of those guys were twice the player McGee is now. And don't forget that he was an outright team cancer, just as much as Blatche was.

This is more like trading Kwame Brown.

I would have rather let McGee walk and save the cap space, but I think there's an argument that we needed to get rid of McGee IMMEDIATELY, and it's clear that Wall in particular wanted him gone.

[tontoz]

Before the trade the Wizards were giving up 102.3 ppg. Since the trade only 1 team has reached 100. 5 of the teams didn't even reach 90.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That is untrue no matter how many times you keep repeating it. Higher PER = / = better, unless you want to argue that McGee is better than 24 year old Ben Wallace, 23 year old Jermaine O'Neal, or 24 year old Rasheed Wallace, or any number of centers that don't put up the gaudy PER stats that McGee does but contribute to actual quality team play.

No need to pull up what I posted, since you refute it.

McGee's higher PER, higher points, higher blocks, equivalent rebounds, and the fact that Tyson Chandler made $9M to end his season, mostly riding Scott Skiles' bench in the 2005-2006 playoffs, before he was traded to New Orleans is how I based my opinion.

[fishercob]

I think Denver has actually gotten a great microcosm of the Javale Experience -- game winning tip in, some awesome highlights, some good rebounding numbers, some terrible team defensive performances, and an overall losing record.

The deal with Vale is not that he sucks all the time. He doesn't. There were probably 3 occasions over that past two seasons where many here (myself included) thought he had "arrived." But the consistency was never there. The attention to detail and little things was never there. The "winning plays" were few and far between.

[7-Day Dray]

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McGee in the 3rd doing what Asik did to Denver in the 2nd. Completely shutting down the paint. Tough to shoot over that 9-7 standing reach.

McGee still plays terrible defense!