goudelock PT

[Jajwanda]

Why did Daniel Gibson play in Cleveland and not Goudelock?

[ROballer]

Why did Daniel Gibson play in Cleveland and not Goudelock?

I've been thinking the same thing

I said this here awhile ago,I really hoped with Brown's hiring we can get rid of the bad rotations based on experience Phil used to run

"He needs to keep himself mentally and physically ready in case his number is called. But we're about to get busy right here. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it with some guys who have been to the dance before."

Moronic thing to say....if a player sucks,just bench his ass,don't even care how long he's been in the league and how much experience he has

Just play the better guy RIGHT now,so what if it happens to be a rookie?

[Leor_77]

Lakers 2nd unit (w/out Sessions) needs to be Bynum, Murphy, Barnes, Goud, Blake. Let Drew draw dbl team, and space with shooters and/or Barnes slashing. Don't have the numbers off hand, but this was a VERY effective lineup, oftentimes outplaying the starting unit. Having Murph. on defense is painful, but not as painful as having an offense that produces 4 points in a quarter.

It's a damn shame when your fans can out-coach your coach.

[PurpleGold]

[jager67]

facts are: this bench sux badly and Brown refuses to change things up and play other players.......truly sad.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Goudelock is NOT a PG. We tried that one earlier in the season and it failed miserably. Mini-Drew is very good at creating for himself and hitting spot up threes on the kick-out but he lacks the court vision and awareness to create for others and he can be a bit of a ball stopper.

Blake isnt exactly a playmaker either. He cant break down the defense and feed teammates.

Just the difference between Blakes ability to score verses Goudelock's is enough to improve the team during those 10 minutes of play.

[Edrees]

Why did Daniel Gibson play in Cleveland and not Goudelock?

i think lebron and gibson were friends. lebron having as much power as he did probably forced brown to play him. dont think brown was smart enough to play him on hiss own will shown by his repeatd use of hughes over gibson, and its showing now

[Josephpaul]

He needs to backup Sessions at PG.

Amnesty Blake.

Eh. His contract not that heavy, and Glock is a SG.

[B-Scott]

Goudelock is NOT a PG. We tried that one earlier in the season and it failed miserably. Mini-Drew is very good at creating for himself and hitting spot up threes on the kick-out but he lacks the court vision and awareness to create for others and he can be a bit of a ball stopper.

Not sure what you're talking about..he had his best stretch of the season AT PG(when Blake went down and he was backing Fisher)

He can make the entry pass to the post,he can penetrate and dish to others...he's a scorer first,has that mentality,but that doesn't mean he can't pass(it's pointless to look at raw assists numbers and say a player can't create or isn't a good playmaker)..he's been used as a spark off the bench at that SG position after Blake came back and his role was to SCORE,not make plays for others

He's better than Blake at this point,I have no doubt about it

He had a few good games when Blake went down, but then you have to consider that teams weren't game planning for him at the start, not to mention some of the teams we played during that stretch weren't exactly the greatest. Utah in particular did a good job of shutting him down by pressuring and trapping him out on the perimeter. One thing he doesn't do very well which Ramon does do very well is get the team into its offense quickly as Goudelock has a tendency to be a bit of a ball stopper. Go and watch the games again if you can find them, or check out the play-by-plays. He put up some nice individual numbers because teams weren't ready for him, but we also wasted a bunch of possessions because Goudelock wasted so much time getting into the offense that Bynum or others didn't have enough time to get a quality shot off. They weren't TOVs, but they may as well have been given that they were ultimately wasted possessions in which we ended up having to get rid of the ball in a hurry.

Furthermore if you look at his AST and AST/TOV numbers, they aren't very good. As I said, he's great at creating for himself, others not so much. Goudelock is an undersized 2, not a true 1. IMO Brown still needs to play him as our backup SG though.

Goudelock's average of close to 12 points on over 50 percent shooting and bringing the ability to get inside the paint when he was getting 20 minutes a game at backup PG is better than anything Steve Blake brings to the table. Despite the Utah game your talking about

Its not like ppl are saying he should start. He should be the backup over Blake who is contributing absolutely nothing and his turnovers are actually worse than Goudelock. Blake sometimes just passes to the wrong team on on consecutive possessions. He never gets inside the paint

Theres also lineups Mike Brown could use where Goudelock could have a big impact with Kobe and some of the starters in the game. Brown just isnt creative. Phil Jackson used to run lineups of Kobe, Farmar, Sasha at the same time.

Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Goudelock, Sessions

Not to start the game but use it at times. Mike Brown is to by the book though. Kobe is a SG so he should play SG.

The lineup i proposed now the BIG 3 has two guys in the backcourt who can make the intial catch from the kick out and attack and get in the paint. Plus knock down the three

[bruddahmanmatt]

Goudelock's average of close to 12 points on over 50 percent shooting and bringing the ability to get inside the paint when he was getting 20 minutes a game at backup PG is better than anything Steve Blake brings to the table. Despite the Utah game your talking about

Its not like ppl are saying he should start. He should be the backup over Blake who is contributing absolutely nothing and his turnovers are actually worse than Goudelock. Blake sometimes just passes to the wrong team on on consecutive possessions. He never gets inside the paint

Goudelock is a backup 2, you don't want him running your offense. One of his biggest problems was getting the ball across halfcourt and then initiating the offense in a timely manner. He'd eat up a ton of clock just getting the ball up the floor. I still maintain that Brown should play him, but he should be played at the 2 alongside Blake. What we lose defensively with the second unit by not having Barnes and Artest in the game at the same time we gain offensively by adding another shooter and a guy who can create for himself in the lane.

Theres also lineups Mike Brown could use where Goudelock could have a big impact with Kobe and some of the starters in the game. Brown just isnt creative. Phil Jackson used to run lineups of Kobe, Farmar, Sasha at the same time.

Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Goudelock, Sessions

Not to start the game but use it at times. Mike Brown is to by the book though. Kobe is a SG so he should play SG.

The lineup i proposed now the BIG 3 has two guys in the backcourt who can make the intial catch from the kick out and attack and get in the paint. Plus knock down the three

That lineup would be horrible defensively out on the perimeter. Sessions isn't the greatest defender in the world, and Bryant has been trash on D since last season, now you want to add Goudelock to the mix...no thanks. A lineup like that would force our bigs to work overtime on D because no one would be able to stay in front of their guy out on the perimeter. We should have at least one of Barnes or Artest in the game at all times.

[B-Scott]

Blake and Artest are providing absolutely nothing on the offensive end. There is no spacing because neither can knock down a open shot and to slow to get inside the paint. There defense is not making up for it either.

Goudelock, Kobe, Sessions in at the same time with the BIGS. Not to start the game, but use it for stretches. Dallas went with lineups of Barea and Terry or Kidd at the same time. Did the Head Coach over worry about defense? No....He made the opponent worry about them

By the book coaches get eliminated early.

[tugs]

I want Goudelock starting with Kobe and force Bryant to play point and not fire away. Sessions should lead the bench ala Manu or JT. I'll say this every thread until this gets done!

[Jajwanda]

You could ask Kobe to bring the ball up for the first six minutes of the game in the first and second half with Goudelock alongside him. It's not much different than what Fisher did for however many years. There actually won't be too many times that Kobe would struggle with the ball pressure.

You could also have Goudelock-Bryant play together against backup bench player pressure (like say Derek Fisher, Jeremy Pargo). In the playoffs you're really just talking about what should be ten minutes per game.