Pistons vs Wizards--Tankalicious Delight

[truwizfan4evr]

The criticism of Wall is ridiculous here. You guys make it sound like he's not even a point guard; that he's just a track star who is trying to figure out how to play basketball. Its insulting to him and ridiculous. He's averaging 8 assists a game on a bad shooting team and gets no credit for bball IQ or any kind of intelligence on the court. Irving is a better pg? No...Irving is a more polished offensive scorer at this point. Irving averages 2 and a half assists less per game than John; he's not a better pg. Is that what you guys want? A more ready to go scorer versus an actual pg? When was the last time a team lead by a scoring pg won a title?

Wall is a rhythm player. He needs to be involved early be confident in his jumper. When his confidence is there and he's invested offensively, he's a dynamic mix of point guard and scorer. When he plays passive he's not. As he gains experience and has a normal offseason or two, he'll be more consistent and we'll see less of these hot/cold performances quarter to quarter. The potential that John has is what separates him from these more polished pgs IMO. They in essence are what they are because they're polished offensively but are limited physically to some degree. How much better can they become? Wall's upside is based on if he can develop the skill to compliment his athletic gifts. Based on the improvements he's made as this season has progressed w/ limited practice time, I'm confident. Then we might have the perfect blend of point guard + scorer from one position. To me the best comp I've seen brought up in comparison to Wall is Gary Payton.

If you want him to be a ready made player, he's not that guy and he will frustrate you. But I ask again, what score first pg has won a title in recent history? Do we want Wall to be the focal scoring option for a playoff team or do we want him to be the lighter fluid for that gets a team going? Rose is a terrific athlete and scorer and he couldn't do it by himself. That's not what we should want. Getting a wing that can take it to the hoop in the half court would be huge. That would allow Wall to play some more off the ball where he can really take advantage of a team if they fall asleep on him and would make us tougher to guard.

i agree and Thanks i hope that settle things

[Dat2U]

Not if trading Wall got you the pick to draft Anthony Davis. If Charlotte gets the top overall pick, the Wizards would be foolish not to trade Wall for Augustine and the top pick.

Also, if you package Wall along with Blatche and Lewis there are a number of ways the Wizards could rebuild with all kinds of cap space. This team could theoretically sign-and-trade Deron Williams if and be waiting for Dwight Howard if it made the right kind of deal.

I don't know but that there aren't some feasible Wall trades.

None will happen, but I think it is never a bad thing to consider deals.

CCJ, I think anyone here would trade Wall for Davis. Davis looks like some rogue science project blending Garnett's raw physical ability and work ethic with Duncan's smarts and low key demeanor. What gives it away is that damn unibrow. That deal is a no-brainer but whoever gets Davis isn't trading him. I don't think it's realistic.

As for everything else you've suggested now and in the past. It's hot poo. Unless your getting a legitimate star back, a trade shouldn't even be considered.

As for Wall. Things have gotten a lot tougher recently on court. Nate made a point about Nick's presence. Not having another perimeter guy with range that defenses really have to account for closes off the lane even further. And Wall is learning to play on the fly with a real post presence now. It's clearly thrown him off rhythm. As a 2nd year PG, I think Wall's progress is fine. Let's see how he adjusts and finishes the season. So far in his career he's fought through and improved after his rough stretches.

[truwizfan4evr]

Not saying Anthony Davis wont be great. There a chance he dont live up to the hype like alot of other good college players before him. So less dont sit here and act like he's the sure thing.

[hands11]

Would people please stop quoting JJ? There's a reason I have him on ignore. Hands, I love you during chat man, but stop sniffing the glue or something.

Thanks!

Hmmmm. I like JJs posts.

And I don't do glue. Im a magic markers kind of guy

[jivelikenice]

Not if trading Wall got you the pick to draft Anthony Davis. If Charlotte gets the top overall pick, the Wizards would be foolish not to trade Wall for Augustine and the top pick.

Also, if you package Wall along with Blatche and Lewis there are a number of ways the Wizards could rebuild with all kinds of cap space. This team could theoretically sign-and-trade Deron Williams if and be waiting for Dwight Howard if it made the right kind of deal.

I don't know but that there aren't some feasible Wall trades.

None will happen, but I think it is never a bad thing to consider deals.

CCJ, I think anyone here would trade Wall for Davis. Davis looks like some rogue science project blending Garnett's raw physical ability and work ethic with Duncan's smarts and low key demeanor. What gives it away is that damn unibrow. That deal is a no-brainer but whoever gets Davis isn't trading him. I don't think it's realistic.

As for everything else you've suggested now and in the past. It's hot poo. Unless your getting a legitimate star back, a trade shouldn't even be considered.

As for Wall. Things have gotten a lot tougher recently on court. Nate made a point about Nick's presence. Not having another perimeter guy with range that defenses really have to account for closes off the lane even further. And Wall is learning to play on the fly with a real post presence now. It's clearly thrown him off rhythm. As a 2nd year PG, I think Wall's progress is fine. Let's see how he adjusts and finishes the season. So far in his career he's fought through and improved after his rough stretches.

Absolutely agree. To think John could go from playing with no post presence to now playing w/ two guys capable of playing in the post is unrealistic. And while Nick was inconsistent, he had legit range. Crawford is a scorer, not a shooter and doesn't bring that same dynamic.

The argument isn't or shouldn't be Wall's upside. We've seen what he can do when he's playing confident. He was absolutely dynamic at times this year (i.e. Portland, Orlando, Houston, Cleveland, & New Orleans). That showed us what he can do and that he can be a franchise player. He just needs to further develop his skills so he can do that consistently. It will be on him to make the effort to develop those skills this summer. It will be up to the FO to give him a consistent environment in terms of coaching and the roster.

[jivelikenice]

Wanted to bring up a different discussion. A championship calibler team IMO can't be built around a pg who is the primary or dominant half-court scoring threat. Even if the Wiz added a shooter, we'd still stall in the hafcourt. A championship team needs a 2/3 capable of scoring and shooting. We don't need a 1 option and a 2 option...But having a 1a and a 1b on the perimeter is a championship formula moreso than a pg surrounded by shooters.

Quick edit...One thing I'd like to see John add is a turnaround hook. With his size and length he can just turn and shoot over any pg in the league. He did it in a game a week or so back and it looked so easy but just hasn't made it a part of his offensive repertoire...

[montestewart]

I'm not putting anybody but Paul in the category of flat better than Wall ever will be.

Magic says "HUH?"

[montestewart]

You name me 1 point guard who would win with are roster???? Dont be hard on wall he going to get better.

prime Jason Kidd might get them into the playoffs, maybe Stockton too

[truwizfan4evr]

I don't agree. This team is horrible all these chucker's. Guys who don't shoot well. Wall will be better once he gets a go to scorer and some shooters. We have times when we look dangerous when we have them big leads. Imagine when we get shooters and a all around scorer. If we draft the right pieces in this year draft. I expect the wizards to be in the playoff hunt next season. We also get a training camp in and hopefully a great coach or even an decent one.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm not putting anybody but Paul in the category of flat better than Wall ever will be.

Magic says "HUH?"

The comparison was between Wall, D Will, and Westbrook. Was in a hurry when I typed anybody. Should have said any of the three.

Heck, there are a bunch of PGs I like better than Wall.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not if trading Wall got you the pick to draft Anthony Davis. If Charlotte gets the top overall pick, the Wizards would be foolish not to trade Wall for Augustine and the top pick.

Also, if you package Wall along with Blatche and Lewis there are a number of ways the Wizards could rebuild with all kinds of cap space. This team could theoretically sign-and-trade Deron Williams if and be waiting for Dwight Howard if it made the right kind of deal.

I don't know but that there aren't some feasible Wall trades.

None will happen, but I think it is never a bad thing to consider deals.

CCJ, I think anyone here would trade Wall for Davis. Davis looks like some rogue science project blending Garnett's raw physical ability and work ethic with Duncan's smarts and low key demeanor. What gives it away is that damn unibrow. That deal is a no-brainer but whoever gets Davis isn't trading him. I don't think it's realistic.

As for everything else you've suggested now and in the past. It's hot poo. Unless your getting a legitimate star back, a trade shouldn't even be considered.

As for Wall. Things have gotten a lot tougher recently on court. Nate made a point about Nick's presence. Not having another perimeter guy with range that defenses really have to account for closes off the lane even further. And Wall is learning to play on the fly with a real post presence now. It's clearly thrown him off rhythm. As a 2nd year PG, I think Wall's progress is fine. Let's see how he adjusts and finishes the season. So far in his career he's fought through and improved after his rough stretches.

First of all, what makes you think Wall is much more of a star than Beal, Kidd Gilchrist, or maybe even someone like Tony Mitchell, Jr.

This time last season I suggested trading Wall for the rights to Kyrie Irving and another pick. You called that "poo" so to speak.

[Blkbrd671]

WTF is wrong with you guys! Damit you got john wall already, can you at least let Detroit have Davis. You took a perfect chance to help us on our losing streak but no, you had to go f* it all up and let it go. Now stop the malarky and hop on the tank with frank ........tank.


Thank you that is all

[JonathanJoseph]

Sure, it's unreasonable to expect Wall to play with legitimate post threats. We certainly couldn't expect Wall to win without post threats and now that he has them we certainly can't expect him to adjust on the fly or pass them the ball or use their picks or hold double digit leads. Give him a break, it's not like they literally rolled out a red carpet for him.

[closg00]

Low-point of the year last night? I think so.

[tontoz]

I seem to remember certain posters regularly criticizing Wall's defense before the trade. Havent heard that since the trade though. I wonder why.

[Zonkerbl]

So, guys, you finally got what you wanted -- Nene and Kevin on the court at the same time. How'd it go?

Not in green because I'm genuinely interested.

[dangermouse]

Don't you guys see? If we kick the pants off them for 2 quarters then start to "fall apart" in the 3rd, followed by a "heart breaking" 1 point loss, we trick the Draft Lottery Gods. It is the Tricky Tank.

Anthony Davis will look boss in red blue and white.

[tontoz]

So, guys, you finally got what you wanted -- Nene and Kevin on the court at the same time. How'd it go?

Not in green because I'm genuinely interested.

They completely shut down the middle defensively when they were together.

Then they started the 4th quarter with Vesely/Cook. Seraphin didn't get back in the game until there were 2:30 left. Sure enough the Pistons got a bunch of easy putbacks and scored 26 points in the 4th quarter. They scored only 30 in the first half.

[MDStar]

Can someone tell me why us losing these three games is bad, depressing, frustrating, etc.?

We could easily be 14-35, only being two games or so behind NJ (16-35), Tor (16-34), Det (16-33) "if we had beat them" and Sac (17-32).

With this season already down the toilet, being (11-38) is several times better for our chances to get better than (14-35).

[closg00]

So, guys, you finally got what you wanted -- Nene and Kevin on the court at the same time. How'd it go?

Not in green because I'm genuinely interested.

They completely shut down the middle defensively when they were together.

Then they started the 4th quarter with Vesely/Cook. Seraphin didn't get back in the game until there were 2:30 left. Sure enough the Pistons got a bunch of easy putbacks and scored 26 points in the 4th quarter. They scored only 30 in the first half.

Pretty-much this^. However, once-again we were out-rebounded last night. Kevin needs to battle more in the post for position and rebounds....but I like the combo. We have got to upgrade the SF & guard positions. Singleton & Vesely are the Buzzkill twins.