ImageImageImageImageImage

Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural

Moderators: dakomish23, mpharris36, j4remi, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, HerSports85, Deeeez Knicks

bigfnjoe96
General Manager
Posts: 7,912
And1: 3,948
Joined: Jul 02, 2009
       

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#361 » by bigfnjoe96 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:00 pm

Stop Freaking Out People. The man has a Bulging Disc, not a Herniated Disk. Bulging Disc can heal themselves with Rest & Treatment. Surgery is usually a LAST RESORT

Image
Image
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#362 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Besart19 wrote:
seren wrote:If he retires due to injuries, his cap hit comes off the books in a year.


Then why all this panic?! Or it's just a typical for the Knicks fanbase? :)


There are only two best-case scenarios.

The one where he plays again at a high level would be nice, but it seems more unlikely now than ever.

The one where he is removed from our cap if he is damaged goods is not so easy to have happen. He could linger in a weakened state where he is able to play, but is basically useless to us and we are stuck with him. That is more often what happens than not. That is why it is a big problem and not so easily addressed.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#363 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:04 pm

Joe, you said you may be crazy, but you were optimistic. I was fine with that and want you to believe whatever you want. But no more posts telling us to stop freaking out when we are the ones having a calm, measured discussion here. Got me?

It seems some of you want to come in threads and make generalized judgments about the nature of the posters point of view being emotionally imbalanced when it is the shrill posts claiming people are losing their cool that are the emotionally unstable posts.

Maybe if you read the posts and digested them, you'd understand why there are skeptics here who just talk about what they are skeptical about and who don't need little juice cups and rubbed tummies to make their belly aches go away.

Telling people they are panicking about Amare is really weak. We're talking about a player who now has had back issues for close to a year since the playoffs, but in reality probably much earlier. Stat was not the player he was in the second half of last season. And this season, he was mostly bad and obviously physically compromised. And you guys want to tell us this is something new?

How about some of you go play somewhere else then? I don't need to see another juvenile scolding when some of us want to talk about this. Got me?
User avatar
Besart19
RealGM
Posts: 13,790
And1: 5,058
Joined: Feb 12, 2012
Location: Dibra, Albania
   

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#364 » by Besart19 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:06 pm

seren wrote:
Besart19 wrote:
seren wrote:If he retires due to injuries, his cap hit comes off the books in a year.


Then why all this panic?! Or it's just a typical for the Knicks fanbase? :)


He probably won't retire. He will come back as a former shell of himself.


Hope so... But maybe he will need to regain those extra muscles and develop some post-game to play C. In that case, he would be traded for a PF. If he's back again and able to play at PF without changing much of his game, that will be a miracle! Our prayers are with Amar'e. May God Almighty bless him!
Strength and Honour!
seren
RealGM
Posts: 24,722
And1: 4,950
Joined: Jul 21, 2002

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#365 » by seren » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:12 pm

Think Chris Webber. Though not the same injury, never was the same after 2003. His shooting percentage dipped. Stopped going to the basket so he became a strict jumpshooter. Stopped getting the calls as he was not attacking. Stopped blocking shots.

At least he was always a great passer, so he continued dishing and they continued running the offense through him. Amare does not have the same quality.
bigfnjoe96
General Manager
Posts: 7,912
And1: 3,948
Joined: Jul 02, 2009
       

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#366 » by bigfnjoe96 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:13 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Joe, you said you may be crazy, but you were optimistic. I was fine with that and want you to believe whatever you want. But no more posts telling us to stop freaking out when we are the ones having a calm, measured discussion here. Got me?


The last 5 pages have been nothing but people claiming the man to be "Dead-Weight". The man has a Bulging Disc. Something that heals itself over time with Rest & Treatment, with surgery being a Last Resort. Yet people a claiming the man's career is over.

Is that not over-reacting to you?
Image
User avatar
kane
Head Coach
Posts: 7,057
And1: 2,395
Joined: Dec 30, 2011
     

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#367 » by kane » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:16 pm

Ruocco and Lundberg are pretty much saying the knicks are better off without him :lol:
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#368 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:17 pm

bigfnjoe96 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Joe, you said you may be crazy, but you were optimistic. I was fine with that and want you to believe whatever you want. But no more posts telling us to stop freaking out when we are the ones having a calm, measured discussion here. Got me?


The last 5 pages have been nothing but people claiming the man to be "Dead-Weight". The man has a Bulging Disc. Something that heals itself over time with Rest & Treatment, with surgery being a Last Resort. Yet people a claiming the man's career is over.

Is that not over-reacting to you?


You're having comprehension issues now. Your paraphrasing of everything that has been discussed is reductionist and is only said to support your attitude that you need to scold us which you most certainly do not.

I added to the post you are replying to. Go read it please. The basic guideline you need to adopt is less commenting about other peoples comments. You have a point to make, make it. Otherwise, don't try to tell the board they are standing on a ledge and are irrational, thank you very much.
bigfnjoe96
General Manager
Posts: 7,912
And1: 3,948
Joined: Jul 02, 2009
       

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#369 » by bigfnjoe96 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:19 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Joe, you said you may be crazy, but you were optimistic. I was fine with that and want you to believe whatever you want. But no more posts telling us to stop freaking out when we are the ones having a calm, measured discussion here. Got me?

It seems some of you want to come in threads and make generalized judgments about the nature of the posters point of view being emotionally imbalanced when it is the shrill posts claiming people are losing their cool that are the emotionally unstable posts.

Maybe if you read the posts and digested them, you'd understand why there are skeptics here who just talk about what they are skeptical about and who don't need little juice cups and rubbed tummies to make their belly aches go away.

Telling people they are panicking about Amare is really weak. We're talking about a player who now has had back issues for close to a year since the playoffs, but in reality probably much earlier. Stat was not the player he was in the second half of last season. And this season, he was mostly bad and obviously physically compromised. And you guys want to tell us this is something new?

How about some of you go play somewhere else then? I don't need to see another juvenile scolding when some of us want to talk about this. Got me?

Nobody is scolding anybody, so i'm not sure where this is coming from. I'm posting how I feel just like everyone else is.
Image
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#370 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:24 pm

bigfnjoe96 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Joe, you said you may be crazy, but you were optimistic. I was fine with that and want you to believe whatever you want. But no more posts telling us to stop freaking out when we are the ones having a calm, measured discussion here. Got me?

It seems some of you want to come in threads and make generalized judgments about the nature of the posters point of view being emotionally imbalanced when it is the shrill posts claiming people are losing their cool that are the emotionally unstable posts.

Maybe if you read the posts and digested them, you'd understand why there are skeptics here who just talk about what they are skeptical about and who don't need little juice cups and rubbed tummies to make their belly aches go away.

Telling people they are panicking about Amare is really weak. We're talking about a player who now has had back issues for close to a year since the playoffs, but in reality probably much earlier. Stat was not the player he was in the second half of last season. And this season, he was mostly bad and obviously physically compromised. And you guys want to tell us this is something new?

How about some of you go play somewhere else then? I don't need to see another juvenile scolding when some of us want to talk about this. Got me?

Nobody is scolding anybody, so i'm not sure where this is coming from. I'm posting how I feel just like everyone else is.


OK, let's switch gears then.

I am no longer asking you. I am telling you to STOP TELLING THE BOARD THEY ARE PANCKING AND TO CALM DOWN WHEN ALL THEY ARE DOING IS DISCUSSING A PLAYER.

You are not just expressing an opinion any longer when you post a graphic of a man on a ledge and say STOP PANICKING! That is not an opinion. That is disrespect of the basic exchange of opinion and I'm surprised you don't understand the difference.

If you were only interested in exchanging opinions, you would say you disagree and tell us why. It is that simple. If you don't know the difference, stay out of people's hair and don't try to shame them because you think you are sane and they are not.

Contribute if you want, but do it without the added baggage please.
User avatar
K_ick_God
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 80,879
And1: 43,336
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
   

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#371 » by K_ick_God » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:25 pm

Sky is failing, sky is failing.

This little to no room to maneuver is a classic overstatement. People said the same exact thing after the Melo trade and then we added Lin, Novak, Smith, Shumpert, Harrellson, Jeffries, Jordan less than a year later.

We haven't lost all control of all our picks, Amar'e has not been given a firm course of treatment yet, nobody here has examined Amar'e, he's not slated to have surgery, he's just 29 and this is not a severe structural problem with his back.

The panic is definitely premature and overstated.
seren
RealGM
Posts: 24,722
And1: 4,950
Joined: Jul 21, 2002

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#372 » by seren » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:26 pm

kane wrote:Ruocco and Lundberg are pretty much saying the knicks are better off without him :lol:


Really depends on which version. We are better off compared to Amare most of this season with the exception of last two weeks.
seren
RealGM
Posts: 24,722
And1: 4,950
Joined: Jul 21, 2002

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#373 » by seren » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:27 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Sky is failing, sky is failing.

This little to no room to maneuver is a classic overstatement. People said the same exact thing after the Melo trade and then we added Lin, Novak, Smith, Shumpert, Harrellson, Jeffries less than a year later.

We haven't lost all control of all our picks, Amar'e has not been given a course of treatment yet, nobody here has examined Amar'e, he's just 29 and this is not a severe structural problem with his back.

The panic is definitely premature and overstated.


How do you feel if you are guaranteed to get from Amare for the following three seasons what you got this year from him already?
MasterDebater
Sophomore
Posts: 110
And1: 1
Joined: Apr 25, 2011

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#374 » by MasterDebater » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Greetings,

Anyone happen to know if of when there is any news regarding second opinion?

Thanks!
StyLeD
Pro Prospect
Posts: 924
And1: 17
Joined: Feb 11, 2012

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#375 » by StyLeD » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:32 pm

I agree that some people are overreacting here. Wait until a doctor's opinion imho. Before then, it's silly to claim that man's career is over. Didn't he go to Florida to get a second opinion? Hopefully to a better doctor than the ones with NYK.
User avatar
K_ick_God
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 80,879
And1: 43,336
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
   

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#376 » by K_ick_God » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:32 pm

seren wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Sky is failing, sky is failing.

This little to no room to maneuver is a classic overstatement. People said the same exact thing after the Melo trade and then we added Lin, Novak, Smith, Shumpert, Harrellson, Jeffries less than a year later.

We haven't lost all control of all our picks, Amar'e has not been given a course of treatment yet, nobody here has examined Amar'e, he's just 29 and this is not a severe structural problem with his back.

The panic is definitely premature and overstated.


How do you feel if you are guaranteed to get from Amare for the following three seasons what you got this year from him already?



Amar'e has been back to his old self the last few weeks. Players who are finished don't go in and out from good to bad. He had taken time to work his way back and shed weight. He was getting there. He is a hard worker and he will get there again. Amar'e has always had a kind of stiff up straight and up and down body but his explosion has made him special and his explosion was back ... his explosion comes mostly from his legs which are not affected.

Amar'e will be back.
Pharmcat
RealGM
Posts: 56,845
And1: 19,334
Joined: Oct 05, 2002

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#377 » by Pharmcat » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:33 pm

lets wait for the specialist to talk b4 making judgments

as for a depth replacement, is ike diogu still a FA? take a flyer on him
Image
User avatar
K_ick_God
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 80,879
And1: 43,336
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
   

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#378 » by K_ick_God » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:35 pm

MasterDebater wrote:Greetings,

Anyone happen to know if of when there is any news regarding second opinion?

Thanks!



No new information yet.
User avatar
GONYK
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 67,018
And1: 45,820
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
Location: Brunson Gang
   

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#379 » by GONYK » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:35 pm

Pharmcat wrote:lets wait for the specialist to talk b4 making judgments

as for a depth replacement, is ike diogu still a FA? take a flyer on him


You have been shockingly reasonable and level-headed the last few weeks. What happened? :D
makeitstop
General Manager
Posts: 9,987
And1: 2,274
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out INDEFINITELY 

Post#380 » by makeitstop » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:36 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Sky is failing, sky is failing.

This little to no room to maneuver is a classic overstatement. People said the same exact thing after the Melo trade and then we added Lin, Novak, Smith, Shumpert, Harrellson, Jeffries less than a year later.

We haven't lost all control of all our picks, Amar'e has not been given a course of treatment yet, nobody here has examined Amar'e, he's just 29 and this is not a severe structural problem with his back.

The panic is definitely premature and overstated.


I think more than a little of this 'Amare is done' talk is wishful thinking on the part of people who just don't like him as a player for some reason and want him to be finished as a player.

If it were simply concern over losing a starter, we wouldn't be hearing about how stupid the front office was for using the amnesty on Billups and how the Knicks are now 'saddled' with a bad contract for the foreseeable future.

A lot of people seem less concerned with not having an important part of the lineup and more concerned with letting everyone know how right they were all along.

And all on pretty much zero hard information. I'll wait for the medical staff to report before drawing any conclusions, personally.
'Every night ending in 'Y' is a rock fight when you're playing the New York Knicks.' - World Wide Wob

Return to New York Knicks