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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#541 » by BeagleBoss » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:40 pm

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stuporman wrote:With Rose = minor setback, nothing serious
With Amar'e = brokeback forever, end of career

This isn't new... it's a twist on the same theme that is prevalent on this forum. If it's a Knick it's always the worst characterization.


Rose is 23 and healthy.
Amare is an old 29 and breaking down before our eyes.



Huh? Rose has not been healthy this season.


I know that but Rose is much younger and he's been healthy for the majority of his young career. You can't compare his situation with Amare's.
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#542 » by Ignitowsky » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:42 pm

stuporman wrote:With Rose = minor setback, nothing serious
With Amar'e = brokeback forever, end of career

This isn't new... it's a twist on the same theme that is prevalent on this forum. If it's a Knick it's always the worst characterization.

+1

We're like battered wives. We see someone raising a hand to hail a cab and we run away screaming in terror. Also, given that there has always been concern about AMar'e's knees, a lot of us freak out if he has any kind of injury at all.

He doesn't need surgery, and as Baron Davis has proved, rest and rehab can take care of a herniated disk, which AMar'e doesn't even have. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to believe that because he's an incredibly hard worker and he'll bounce back from this.
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#543 » by K_ick_God » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:42 pm

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I know that but Rose is much younger and he's been healthy for the majority of his young career. You can't compare his situation with Amare's.




Why not? Just because Amar'e had microfracture surgery a few years ago? Does microfracture surgery cause a disk problem several years later? I've seen no medical information to that effect.

The fact that you call a guy who's missed a lot of games with a bad back and a bad groin "healthy" tells us all we need to know about double standards.
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#544 » by Retired_Doc » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:43 pm

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Let me see if I've got this right: If I was rooting for Stat when he was FINALLY playing well for a few games, in the comfort of my own establishment but not in public view, then that doesn't count in your book? It's not ok for me to root for him privately whilst I'm watching the game on TV?

I seldom post in the Game Threads--I'm not a fast enough typist to watch the game and also comment on it. Sorry, I'm old. :o




I think the thing is that you (anyone) should acknowledge that you were generally and partially wrong about Stat being done because he was looking like his old self recently. Therefore that sheds doubt on your continued belief that he's done. Previous incorrect predictions = poor predictor of this subject.

Not that it's the end of the world and don't mean it to sound harsh ... but Amar'e was more or less looking like his old self, statistically and to the eyeball, recently.

So then if you are piping up again that Amar'e is done again, it seems like you don't understand that your previously incorrect predictions on him make it look like you have no objectivity -- or just a poor feel or incorrect judgment -- for this particular subject.


Allow me to clarify my position (Hmmm, I feel like a politician)--I LOVE what Stat did for us last year. And I emphasize LAST year! Beyond what he did for us ON the court, he is probably darn close to single-handedly responsible for attracting both Melo and Tyson. Sooo, was Amare a big plus for us in that regard? YES!

THIS year, with the exception of a few good games, Amare has been a big, fat net zero for us on the court. As I watched him play this year his lack of defense was appalling. Even worse than last year. Beyond that, in 80% of the games he played this season his offense was a dismal failure. And my personal opinion is that there is something very wrong with his body, that he is flat-out denying publicly. I do not trust the man anymore.

IF he comes back in 2/4 weeks and performs admirably, and then plays well for us for the duration of his contract, then I will eat serious crow and do so publicly on this board.

My very best guess is that he will fail us miserably. He just does not have the hops he once had. Even in the few good games he had for us this year, he was still being occasionally stuffed by the rim! As such, I strongly feel that Amare will be a serious albatross for this franchise for yrs to come.

But do I fault Walsh for taking the chance? Nope, I surely do not. I would have made the same play.

And for anyone suggesting I am rooting against Amare somehow miraculously becoming the player he was as recently as last year, for the duration of his contract, that is flat-out absurd. I WANT him to succeed, because I have been a die-hard Knicks fan for far longer than almost anyone here. I seriously doubt he can do it. But I sure am rooting for him to do it! :)
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Post#545 » by dk7th » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:47 pm

i never bought "pulled muscle in the lower back" diagnosis. anyone with a history of back troubles will tell you that. i have never heard of a pulled muscle taking months and months to heal. that has never added up for me.

occam's razor: he hurt his back structurally in the first place and then didn't go public with it. and now he has re-injured himself even worse this time.

when an injury occurs in the same area and happens so soon in succession that is bad news for the person, especially when it involves basketball what with all the torsion, wrenching, and pounding.
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Post#546 » by airchibundo507 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:49 pm

"Net zero"? The Knicks have been outscored by 49 points whenever Amare has been on the court this season. Only Bibby has a worse +/-

Amare has been a detriment this season. He played like an all-star for two weeks and then goes down with an injury. Money well spent.
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#547 » by cgmw » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:50 pm

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stuporman wrote:With Rose = minor setback, nothing serious
With Amar'e = brokeback forever, end of career

This isn't new... it's a twist on the same theme that is prevalent on this forum. If it's a Knick it's always the worst characterization.

+1

We're like battered wives. We see someone raising a hand to hail a cab and we run away screaming in terror. Also, given that there has always been concern about AMar'e's knees, a lot of us freak out if he has any kind of injury at all.

He doesn't need surgery, and as Baron Davis has proved, rest and rehab can take care of a herniated disk, which AMar'e doesn't even have. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to believe that because he's an incredibly hard worker and he'll bounce back from this.

I don't see this as specific to the Knicks. It's specific to Amar'e.

The self-proclaimed NBA intelligentsia --read: those who love namedropping the MIT Sloan Conference -- have been saying for years that the Knicks overreached on extending a large contract to Amar'e because his past injuries (in their expert medical opinions/green font) make his imminent physical decline a 100% certainty.

That said, there's a reason nobody else offered Amar'e a big contract. To ignore his injury history would be just that -- ignorant. But to presuppose a fatalistic attitude of 100% probability of decline is equally absurd.

The proof is in the pudding, and Amar'e still has lots to prove here.
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#548 » by makeitstop » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:50 pm

dk7th wrote:i never bought "pulled muscle in the lower back" diagnosis. anyone with a history of back troubles will tell you that. i have never heard of a pulled muscle taking months and months to heal. that has never added up for me.

occam's razor: he hurt his back structurally in the first place and then didn't go public with it. and now he has re-injured himself even worse this time.

when an injury occurs in the same area and happens so soon in succession that is bad news for the person, especially when it involves basketball what with all the torsion, wrenching, and pounding.


If he re-injured his back 'worse this time,' why would the medical staff (and an impartial physician) okay him for a possible return in just two weeks?

That makes absolutely no sense.
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Post#549 » by Capn'O » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:51 pm

That's more optimistic than I expected. Hope it's the right call.
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Post#550 » by god shammgod » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:54 pm

well of course, the harbinger of ts% doom reappears whenever something negative happens. he lives for these moments.
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Post#551 » by K_ick_God » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:01 pm

dk7th wrote:i never bought "pulled muscle in the lower back" diagnosis. anyone with a history of back troubles will tell you that. i have never heard of a pulled muscle taking months and months to heal. that has never added up for me.

occam's razor: he hurt his back structurally in the first place and then didn't go public with it. and now he has re-injured himself even worse this time.

when an injury occurs in the same area and happens so soon in succession that is bad news for the person, especially when it involves basketball what with all the torsion, wrenching, and pounding.





Oh look, another well-known critic of Amar'e's basketball game giving his scientific prediction pronouncing Amar'e's medical condition severe. Whatta coincidence.
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Post#552 » by Amare fan » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:02 pm

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Retired_Doc wrote:I don't need a "reason" to bad mouth Stat. All I have to do is watch him play the bulk of this season! :o


Yeah, except when he was starting to light it up. You went pretty quiet at that point. Then this happens and you're back calling him a liar and whatnot.

Pretty transparent.


Of course I was somewhat quiet. If Stat plays well, you'll never hear me criticize him. Why would I?
I'm an honest, objective poster. Can you say the same thing?

objective you didn't even wait for him to get back on the court before talking smack :lol:
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Post#553 » by K_ick_God » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:03 pm

god shammgod wrote:well of course, the harbinger of ts% doom reappears whenever something negative happens. he lives for these moments.



lol

As long as we're playing armchair M.D., isn't the fact that Derrick Rose is experiencing back problems and groin problems at the age of 23 -- a very young age -- a very bad sign about his long-term health? It's normal for players to need to be fixed up around age 30 but Rose is having problems at a young age. Maybe he won't age well?

Same with Gallo. He had a back problem at age 20 and has been hurt a lot this season too. Being so young and so hurt seems to be a bad sign, at least in my non-expert expert medical opinion.
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Post#555 » by Lehman » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:04 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:
stuporman wrote:With Rose = minor setback, nothing serious
With Amar'e = brokeback forever, end of career

This isn't new... it's a twist on the same theme that is prevalent on this forum. If it's a Knick it's always the worst characterization.


Rose is 23 and healthy.
Amare is an old 29 and breaking down before our eyes.



Huh? Rose has not been healthy this season.


Stop the BS - Rose doesn't have a bulging disk. Nothing structurally wrong with his back. Amare and Rose’s injuries are in no way similar. Amare is much worse.
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Post#556 » by Amare fan » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:06 pm

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Let me see if I've got this right: If I was rooting for Stat when he was FINALLY playing well for a few games, in the comfort of my own establishment but not in public view, then that doesn't count in your book? It's not ok for me to root for him privately whilst I'm watching the game on TV?

I seldom post in the Game Threads--I'm not a fast enough typist to watch the game and also comment on it. Sorry, I'm old. :o




I think the thing is that you (anyone) should acknowledge that you were generally and partially wrong about Stat being done because he was looking like his old self recently. Therefore that sheds doubt on your continued belief that he's done. Previous incorrect predictions = poor predictor of this subject.

Not that it's the end of the world and don't mean it to sound harsh ... but Amar'e was more or less looking like his old self, statistically and to the eyeball, recently.

So then if you are piping up again that Amar'e is done again, it seems like you don't understand that your previously incorrect predictions on him make it look like you have no objectivity -- or just a poor feel or incorrect judgment -- for this particular subject.


Allow me to clarify my position (Hmmm, I feel like a politician)--I LOVE what Stat did for us last year. And I emphasize LAST year! Beyond what he did for us ON the court, he is probably darn close to single-handedly responsible for attracting both Melo and Tyson. Sooo, was Amare a big plus for us in that regard? YES!

THIS year, with the exception of a few good games, Amare has been a big, fat net zero for us on the court. As I watched him play this year his lack of defense was appalling. Even worse than last year. Beyond that, in 80% of the games he played this season his offense was a dismal failure. And my personal opinion is that there is something very wrong with his body, that he is flat-out denying publicly. I do not trust the man anymore.

IF he comes back in 2/4 weeks and performs admirably, and then plays well for us for the duration of his contract, then I will eat serious crow and do so publicly on this board.

My very best guess is that he will fail us miserably. He just does not have the hops he once had. Even in the few good games he had for us this year, he was still being occasionally stuffed by the rim! As such, I strongly feel that Amare will be a serious albatross for this franchise for yrs to come.

But do I fault Walsh for taking the chance? Nope, I surely do not. I would have made the same play.

And for anyone suggesting I am rooting against Amare somehow miraculously becoming the player he was as recently as last year, for the duration of his contract, that is flat-out absurd. I WANT him to succeed, because I have been a die-hard Knicks fan for far longer than almost anyone here. I seriously doubt he can do it. But I sure am rooting for him to do it! :)

okay how can you be saying this if he was just playing well recently and yet an injury and now he goes back to sucking. You haven't even seen him on the court yet so you are rooting against him. Also you can hate on almost everyone on the knicks because the whole team including melo has underachieved
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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#557 » by makeitstop » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Lehman wrote:Stop the BS - Rose doesn't have a bulging disk. Nothing structurally wrong with his back. Amare and Rose’s injuries are in no way similar. Amare is much worse.


Are you this relentlessly negative in real life? You must be a lot of fun at parties.
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Post#558 » by K_ick_God » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Lehman wrote:Stop the BS - Rose doesn't have a bulging disk. Nothing structurally wrong with his back. Amare and Rose’s injuries are in no way similar. Amare is much worse.



Amar'e didn't have a bulging disk when his first back problem was discovered too.

I'm sure it's true that if you have a history of injuries at a young age, it's more likely that you'll have more severe injuries as you grow older. Quantity of injuries at a young age will roughly track to aging poorly. Uh oh for D-Rose.

Same with Gallo.

And back injuries are very tricky and all the contorting and flexing and writhing that goes on -- back injuries will only get worse in most cases I guess. Gallo and Rose both have had back pain at a young age.
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Post#559 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:09 pm

I love how what is great news - that the injury is not serious enough to require surgery. And that Amar'e will be playing again this year has been spun into another doom and gloom scenario by a bunch of "fans".

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Re: Amare Has Bulging Disc, Out 2-4 Weeks, Taking Epidural 

Post#560 » by Besart19 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:13 pm

stuporman wrote:With Rose = minor setback, nothing serious
With Amar'e = brokeback forever, end of career

This isn't new... it's a twist on the same theme that is prevalent on this forum. If it's a Knick it's always the worst characterization.


Fallacious argument(!)

Minor setback its Amar'e injury; he made that surgery that Rose has to undergo this summer! ;)
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