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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#641 » by WeAreVenom » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:39 am

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magicman123 wrote:lovely defeats on the season

31pts: vs the celtics without rondo and allen
26pts: vs the hornets without kaman
21pts: vs the pacers
26pts: vs the bulls without rose
22ps: vs the knicks without amare and lin

All of them were when we were fully healthy too... when J-Rich and Turk were injured, we beat the Heat AND the Bulls b2b... when Stan's hand is forced (meaning we start JJ and Q) we win games... coincidence???? but, I know people are just gonna keep defending Stan for starting J-Rich and Hedo...


That's true.....

I think at this point, JJ has totally proven that he does everything JRich can do, plus more.......So why not start him? Is Otis really forcing his hand, here?
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Post#642 » by ChildishGambino » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:45 am

where are the J-Rich lovers now? this dude is car washed up....last 5 games he's been atrocious....why the phuck did we resign this clown....JJ is the better player but nope we have to justify resigning Richardson so management doesn't look bad....
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Post#643 » by Tarnag » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:55 am

Really off topic I know, but cheered me up after this game. Never noticed it before, but in your sig, Jameer makes me laugh every damn time with that 'dance':

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Post#644 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:04 am

Worst game of the year thus far. Worse than the Boston and Indiana games.
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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#645 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:08 am

ChildishGambino wrote:where are the J-Rich lovers now? this dude is car washed up....last 5 games he's been atrocious....why the phuck did we resign this clown....JJ is the better player but nope we have to justify resigning Richardson so management doesn't look bad....


J-Rich had a fan base here? I'm pretty sure about everyone on this board wants this dude on the first plane out of Orlando (me included).
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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#646 » by ivDT » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:17 am

the closest j-rich has to fans on this forum are the people who constantly remind us of how reasonable his contract is.
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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#647 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:34 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
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VGOSWAMI wrote:1. Pass first, but does it set teammates up for easy shots? That's the key. Do we have a guy on our team that can break a D down and get his own shot or one for a teammate.
2. I'm not convinced Liggins, Von, and Ish are going to get into the teeth of great defenses like the Heat or Bulls.
3. Maybe
4. Here's the big one and the core of the argument. Stan won't bench Hedo, Ryan, or Jameer. He knows in order for us to have a chance with this roster, those players have to play well. I get your frustration with the 3 point chucking. Trust me, I understand as much as the next guy. But, I do think that with this roster, it gives us the only chance to compete. Stan isn't going to play players he doesn't trust (youth/new guys like Von, Liggins, Ish). I do believe they should get more burn in the 2nd unit, but I don't believe their efforts make us that much better.

I don't think Stan is completely hands free here. If I was him I'd bench JRich and start JJ, and play Ish over Duhon. And perhaps even bench Hedo for Q. I think that promotes the best diversity offensively between the two lineups. We get a better wing defender in Q and a better shooter in JJ in the SL, and we get a facilitator in the 2nd unit in Hedo.

But again, I'll agree to disagree. I don't think Stan is the real issue with this team and the horrible losses. I expect nothing more or less from objectively looking at the roster. We'll have great games where we blow opponents out, and we'll have terrible ones where we get run out of the gym.

Yep, agree to disagree. thank you for keeping it civil BTW. :)

Likewise, Dalic :wordyo:


Both of you guys are right honestly. Dalic, we all want to see something different because it always seems when we lose, it is the same way every time. However this roster is not balanced at all and Stan is trying to make "fresh lemonade" from past due lemons. I understand that his rotations are frustrating, but if our main eight guys aren't playing well then we don't have a chance to begin with. While I love Ish, Liggins, and Wafer; it is really hard to see that they would make an immediate contribution due to them being unproven in the NBA right now.

I will agree with you on that these guys should have a chance in the rotation, especially when the main guys in the rotation are not playing well (example- tonight's game). The main frustration should be directed at Otis, then I would direct it at the players on the court. The one thing that us fans should never have to question is the effort each and every night. I mean we make the simplest basketball plays look like an adventure out there.
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Post#648 » by Reverse_Angle » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:38 am

i am all for mixing it up and i keep saying that hedo and jrich should play half of their minutes with the bench. otherwise this team is too unbalanced to compete.

but

do you really think q and jj has more chance of taking this team to ecf than hedo and jrich? with all their inconsistencies, jamer, jrich and hedo could go off on any given day. you can actually add jj to this as well.

with q, you know what you are gonna get for the most part. so what you are gonna get would be enough? i am seriously asking.
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Post#649 » by allweneedisLOVE » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:07 am

I know this loss sucks, sorry guys, but does anyone have a video of that absurd circus Glen Davis layup attempt? Funniest sh*t Ive ever seen.
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Post#650 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:08 am

allweneedisLOVE wrote:I know this loss sucks, sorry guys, but does anyone have a video of that absurd circus Glen Davis layup attempt? Funniest sh*t Ive ever seen.


I didn't even get a chance to watch the game. Was it really that bad?
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Post#651 » by allweneedisLOVE » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:13 am

Yes. It was hilarious. Jeff Van Gundy said something like, ".......did I just see that correctly?"

It was an epicly bad drive to the rim and then he kind of spun and threw it up over his head. It was so funny
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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#652 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:56 am

allweneedisLOVE wrote:Yes. It was hilarious. Jeff Van Gundy said something like, ".......did I just see that correctly?"

It was an epicly bad drive to the rim and then he kind of spun and threw it up over his head. It was so funny


Damn I want to see that now... :lol:

Someone please find the video to that Glen Davis layup.
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Post#653 » by OrlandO » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:26 am

I can't believe we let Shumpert set his career high in pts tonight... dude is known for defense, not offense.
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Post#654 » by crazytown » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:56 am

A middle of the road/mediocre team. No real shock they lost to a .500 or above squad.

No doubt in my mind this team is going home in the 1st round. Philly is the only squad they could possibly beat.
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Post#655 » by WeAreVenom » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:54 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:i am all for mixing it up and i keep saying that hedo and jrich should play half of their minutes with the bench. otherwise this team is too unbalanced to compete.

but

do you really think q and jj has more chance of taking this team to ecf than hedo and jrich? with all their inconsistencies, jamer, jrich and hedo could go off on any given day. you can actually add jj to this as well.

with q, you know what you are gonna get for the most part. so what you are gonna get would be enough? i am seriously asking.

You might be surprised.

We murdered ATL in 2010, one year later, all they did was slide Collins into the SL (and shift everyone else down) and they murdered us.

I don't know, man. I just feel lke we're falling apart at the seams....
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Post#656 » by Last Guardian » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:17 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:I think you're underrating them...

1. Liggins and Ish have shown a pass first mentality...
2. with the way these 3 get to the basket, it would collapse the defense, opening up our 3pt shooters...
3. we can draw more fouls simply by attacking the basket...
4. even if I am in fact "overrating" them, so what? the terrible players we play are old and we're not going anywhere with them... if we play the young guys, we could groom them into pretty good players... and, we don't know how good they can be... Turk is trash and will be trash for the rest of his career... Rich is getting too old to do anything other than shoot jumpers... Ryan is showing that all he can do is stand at the 3pt line and chuck away and get a few rebounds here and there....


Agreed. We still may suck offensively, but what would we all rather have? A young, athletic attacking team that plays defense.....or an old, slow paced shooting oriented team that can't play defense? Which style of play gives us a better chance in the playoffs?
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Re: Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25) 

Post#657 » by ADRajX » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:24 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:I think you're underrating them...

1. Liggins and Ish have shown a pass first mentality...
2. with the way these 3 get to the basket, it would collapse the defense, opening up our 3pt shooters...
3. we can draw more fouls simply by attacking the basket...
4. even if I am in fact "overrating" them, so what? the terrible players we play are old and we're not going anywhere with them... if we play the young guys, we could groom them into pretty good players... and, we don't know how good they can be... Turk is trash and will be trash for the rest of his career... Rich is getting too old to do anything other than shoot jumpers... Ryan is showing that all he can do is stand at the 3pt line and chuck away and get a few rebounds here and there....


Agreed. We still may suck offensively, but what would we all rather have? A young, athletic attacking team that plays defense.....or an old, slow paced shooting oriented team that can't play defense? Which style of play gives us a better chance in the playoffs?

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Post#658 » by Last Guardian » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:25 pm

magicman123 wrote:im sorry but earl is not yet an nba player


Because not having a jumpshot means you aren't an NBA player. Lets forget the 5rbs, 1blk and 1stl in 20 minutes. Also more hustle, energy than any of the starters. If the best Earl can be is Jared Jeffries, that is still valuable player.
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Post#659 » by Last Guardian » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:31 pm

And I hate to say it, but I hope we lose a few more games in a row. SVG won't make changes until this becomes drastic. He'll just look at last night and think it is a 1 time thing.
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Post#660 » by magicman123 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:32 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
magicman123 wrote:im sorry but earl is not yet an nba player


Because not having a jumpshot means you aren't an NBA player. Lets forget the 5rbs, 1blk and 1stl in 20 minutes. Also more hustle, energy than any of the starters. If the best Earl can be is Jared Jeffries, that is still valuable player.

The guy is completely lost on the court, he runs in circles, his learning curve is very slow, he's a big man with a fg% of 39, he's regressed from last year, he has no offensive game, he can make the occasional good play on defense and shows potential every once in awhile, but he's still a major project, talented in some areas, needs work, a lot, might be better suited for a non structured system, but having him in Stan's structure might benefit him the most in the long run

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