Dragic?

NYK210 · Post #1 » by **NYK210** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:40 pm

Why did you guys trade him he would have been the perfect replacement for Nash specially if Nash was mentoring him why did you guys trade him for Brooks?

gaspar · Post #2 » by **gaspar** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:52 pm

Dragic was really terrible last year and we needed more scoring from the bench. And no, he's not a perfect replacement for Nash.

Phystic · Post #3 » by **Phystic** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:44 pm

Because our team is incapable of looking past te next day. Dragic would indeed be a good option to replace Nash. Instead they traded him for an undersized chucker who was overrated because he was on an offensively-depleted team, basically Mike James.

Post #4 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:50 pm

Would have been nice to have him for the second unit this year (or Brooks for that matter) and it likely would mean at least three more wins and more firmly in the playoff race.

As for future pg to replace Nash, he has been playing surprisingly well with Lowry out, so I can definitely realistically see him being a service-able starter if surrounded with solid talent.

He is a free agent this summer anyway, so if Nash bolts, there is probably a decent chance the Suns look at signing Dragic again.

nash2amare · Post #5 » by **nash2amare** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:41 am

So.. should Suns admit that they made a mistake and give up on Brooks??

If we go for Dragic for other solid point guards, we have to let Brooks go.

And I am not sure if we can get anything other than 2nd round pick if we try to trade him.

Man, that trade was stupid... :cry:

We couldve had Dragic + Marshon Brooks.

NashtyNas · Post #6 » by **NashtyNas** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:32 am

nash2amare wrote:So.. should Suns admit that they made a mistake and give up on Brooks??

If we go for Dragic for other solid point guards, we have to let Brooks go.

And I am not sure if we can get anything other than 2nd round pick if we try to trade him.

Man, that trade was stupid... We couldve had Dragic + Marshon Brooks.

There is absolutely no reason to re-sign Brooks if you can get Dragic back, in fact there just isn't a need to re-sign Brooks period. Telfair, who isn't very good has given us decent backup minutes along with Price, arguably better than what Brooks did for us when he was here. If he doesn't hit his shots, he really can't do much else, he's not a creator for others and he doesn't give a lick about defense.

I'd much rather NOT pay him something like $35mil/5 and throw a couple extra mil at Dragic to try to pry him from the Rockets or at worst tie up a lot of their money in PG's forcing them to make a move.

It was clear at the time that the Brooks deal was a horrible mistake and extremely short sighted, especially if you watched the Suns series versus the Spurs where Dragic LIT the Spurs up on the big stage. Some of us fans weren't simply infatuated with the guy for no reason, he had produced very well at times when given the right opportunity and freedom, and he's gone on to prove the doubters wrong and become a solid starter in Lowry's absence.

If we can't re-sign Nash, I really don't think Brooks is the answer at starting point. I'd much rather just go with a vet min guy or pick up a point in the draft than sign Brooks to chuck it up 20 times a night.. it would be a nightmare after watching Nash's magic for nearly a decade to go to a chuck it up style "point guard" who isn't even very good at his chucking..

RunDogGun · Post #7 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:41 am

I don't think there were many doubters, Goran just didn't seem to want to play here anymore. I still want to know what happened with that. That would be ironically sad if we sign Goran, and Houston signs Brooks. :lol:

I really don't see Goran wanting to return here unless whatever the issue was before we traded him has been resolved.

nash2amare · Post #8 » by **nash2amare** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:52 am

RunDogGun wrote:I don't think there were many doubters, Goran just didn't seem to want to play here anymore. I still want to know what happened with that. That would be ironically sad if we sign Goran, and Houston signs Brooks.

I really don't see Goran wanting to return here unless whatever the issue was before we traded him has been resolved.

I didnt think he quit on the team. Goran is still a pretty young player and is inconsistent.

Just like last year, he struggled a bit early this season in HOU.

Frontoffice just made a premature decision to trade him away.

Im pretty sure if PHX waited, he wouldve played much better after the break.

I think Dragic is willing to comeback if enough is offered because of presence of Nash and Hill

WallabyPie · Post #9 » by **WallabyPie** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:12 pm

sd1306 wrote:Telfair, who isn't very good has given us decent backup minutes along with Price, arguably better than what Brooks did for us when he was here.

That's absurd.

sd1306 wrote:It was clear at the time that the Brooks deal was a horrible mistake and extremely short sighted, especially if you watched the Suns series versus the Spurs where Dragic LIT the Spurs up on the big stage. Some of us fans weren't simply infatuated with the guy for no reason, he had produced very well at times when given the right opportunity and freedom, and he's gone on to prove the doubters wrong and become a solid starter in Lowry's absence.

Brooks was a 20 ppg player for a whole season and he's a scrub. Dragic averages 16/9 in 13 games and he's a new messiah. Brooks almost singlehandedly took the Lakers to a game seven in the 2009 WCSF, but it doesn't matter. Everyone only remembers Dragic's huge game against the Spurs and his last season in Phoenix never happened.

In the other thread DRK wrote a wall of text how Dragic struggled because of roster changes and little talent in our 2nd unit last season. Now everyone thinks Dragic is a perfect PG of the future for the Suns if Nash leaves. You know what, if Nash leaves it means we are in a full rebuild mode with frequent roster changes and not much talent on the team and that's not a situation where Dragic thrives.

RunDogGun wrote:I really don't see Goran wanting to return here unless whatever the issue was before we traded him has been resolved.

And I doubt our FO or players want a guy who quit on them, just read Babby's comments after the trade or watch Hill's reaction after his flagrant foul on Dragic in our last game against the Rockets.

Pofukauskas · Post #10 » by **Pofukauskas** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:53 pm

Dragic in Houston:
SPLIT G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
As a Starter 13 13 36.9 0.510 0.421 0.837 1.0 2.5 3.5 9.3 1.9 0.2 16.5

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0qMVYaMmBw[/youtube]

NashtyNas · Post #11 » by **NashtyNas** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:03 pm

WallabyPie wrote:
sd1306 wrote:Telfair, who isn't very good has given us decent backup minutes along with Price, arguably better than what Brooks did for us when he was here.

That's absurd.

sd1306 wrote:It was clear at the time that the Brooks deal was a horrible mistake and extremely short sighted, especially if you watched the Suns series versus the Spurs where Dragic LIT the Spurs up on the big stage. Some of us fans weren't simply infatuated with the guy for no reason, he had produced very well at times when given the right opportunity and freedom, and he's gone on to prove the doubters wrong and become a solid starter in Lowry's absence.

Brooks was a 20 ppg player for a whole season and he's a scrub. Dragic averages 16/9 in 13 games and he's a new messiah. Brooks almost singlehandedly took the Lakers to a game seven in the 2009 WCSF, but it doesn't matter. Everyone only remembers Dragic's huge game against the Spurs and his last season in Phoenix never happened.

In the other thread DRK wrote a wall of text how Dragic struggled because of roster changes and little talent in our 2nd unit last season. Now everyone thinks Dragic is a perfect PG of the future for the Suns if Nash leaves. You know what, if Nash leaves it means we are in a full rebuild mode with frequent roster changes and not much talent on the team and that's not a situation where Dragic thrives.

RunDogGun wrote:I really don't see Goran wanting to return here unless whatever the issue was before we traded him has been resolved.

And I doubt our FO or players want a guy who quit on them, just read Babby's comments after the trade or watch Hill's reaction after his flagrant foul on Dragic in our last game against the Rockets.

Don't give me that argument. Dragic would have scored 20 PPG on that Rockets team .. Brooks was the ONLY scorer on that team, the number one option. McGrady was injured and so was Yao. Other guys were Scola and Ariza, both of whom depend on being fed the ball, which Ariza wasn't good at (5 assists per game vs. 3 TO per game in that same season).

He's a glorified chucker best suited as a 6th man because he can't play D and he doesn't make up for it if he isn't shooting lights out. It would be a huge mistake paying big money for Brooks to take over the PG duties as a starter, although as I've always said at the right price, he could be our new Barbosa (speedy quick gunner off the bench).

I'm sure Dragic wouldn't mind coming back if Nash/Hill were around and he was given a nice contract to take over the reigns after they were gone in a season or two. He is a suitable replacement not because he's as good a playmaker, but he has a lot of intangibles in that he can create for himself very well as he's also creating for others. He's an excellent slasher, a flashy passer, and an adequate shooter. Plus he can play great defense and he has the size and speed to stick with the new, bigger point guards of this era in Rose, Westbrook, Williams, Wall, he just needs to add a little strength.

Revived · Post #12 » by **Revived** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:05 pm

Isn't the Nash and Dragic return to PHX ironic?

Nash was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Dallas, Texas. He played really well for the Mavs then when he was a FA, he came back to PHX and won back to back MVPs and established himself a top 10 PG of all time.

Dragic was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Houston, Texas. He's playing really well for the Rockets and now he's a FA with a chance to return to PHX...

Irony anyone?

BTW I'm not saying that Dragic will be even close to as good as Nash if Goran comes back to the Suns but the situations are very similar.

Revived · Post #13 » by **Revived** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:19 pm

Pofukauskas wrote:Dragic in Houston:
SPLIT G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
As a Starter 13 13 36.9 0.510 0.421 0.837 1.0 2.5 3.5 9.3 1.9 0.2 16.5

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0qMVYaMmBw[/youtube]

Damn that's a nasty crossover at 2:22. He's breaking Westbrook's ankles!

ls2ws6 · Post #14 » by **ls2ws6** » Mon Apr 2, 2012 8:22 pm

That video makes me really miss Dragic

NYK210 · Post #15 » by **NYK210** » Mon Apr 2, 2012 11:18 pm

He is a beast in HOU

LBCsun49 · Post #16 » by **LBCsun49** » Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:16 am

All I got to say whoever that idiot was who said Telfair and price hive done more than Brooks I laugh at u

Brooks avg 9 pts and 5 assists in 18 min. He played barely any games and it even took j rich half a year to prove himself as a sun.

Brooks will leave and go somewhere and be a 6th man avg 14 and 6 and u will all say we should of signed him.

What did u expect Brooks to avg 20 + points in half a year for suns. He avg about 10and 5 assists that's more than dragic has done for suns.

coban · Post #17 » by **coban** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 2:39 pm

AB is ballhoger and chucker. Rocket fans dont like him. Gogi improved shooting abilities this year. He is really better , more nash alike player with defense.

grumpysaddle · Post #18 » by **grumpysaddle** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 8:22 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:Isn't the Nash and Dragic return to PHX ironic?

Nash was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Dallas, Texas. He played really well for the Mavs then when he was a FA, he came back to PHX and won back to back MVPs and established himself a top 10 PG of all time.

Dragic was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Houston, Texas. He's playing really well for the Rockets and now he's a FA with a chance to return to PHX...

Irony anyone?

BTW I'm not saying that Dragic will be even close to as good as Nash if Goran comes back to the Suns but the situations are very similar.

That's not irony. That's happenstance. People confuse these things all the time (including Alanis Morrisette)

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wordsenuff · Post #19 » by **wordsenuff** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:16 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:Dragic was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Houston, Texas. He's playing really well for the Rockets and now he's a FA with a chance to return to PHX...

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correct me if im wrong, but i thought dragic was drafted by the spurs.....

Revived · Post #20 » by **Revived** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 11:59 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Isn't the Nash and Dragic return to PHX ironic?

Nash was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Dallas, Texas. He played really well for the Mavs then when he was a FA, he came back to PHX and won back to back MVPs and established himself a top 10 PG of all time.

Dragic was drafted by the Suns...played well in limited opportunities then got traded to Houston, Texas. He's playing really well for the Rockets and now he's a FA with a chance to return to PHX...

Irony anyone?

BTW I'm not saying that Dragic will be even close to as good as Nash if Goran comes back to the Suns but the situations are very similar.

That's not irony. That's happenstance. People confuse these things all the time (including Alanis Morrisette)

i·ro·ny1 [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Show IPA
noun, plural -nies.
1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

I thought that was sarcasm...