Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)

[Narf]

Thank you, Klomp!

It appears Narf and Turnover are right. That wasn't so hard.

If it wasn't so hard then you could have done it yourself.
I looked and you looked and we didn't find it. It doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Krapinsky]

It certainly complicates things. I hate the idea of rewarding Darko with $11M for giving up, but it's Kahn/Taylor's fault for giving him that contract, so they should have to bite the bullet if you ask me.

[Klomp]

Krap, why don't you google the rules on partially guaranteed amnestied players if you want the answer to that question?

Because I have, and could not find anything that states what you and Turnover_21 claim. That's why I asked you guys.

BTW, I just searched "partially guaranteed amnestied players" like Narf told me to in order to find it

[NewWolvesOrder]

It certainly complicates things. I hate the idea of rewarding Darko with $11M for giving up, but it's Kahn/Taylor's fault for giving him that contract, so they should have to bite the bullet if you ask me.

This is Darko's master plan. He wants to retire now and he want all the money he can get so he decided to reach stratospheric level of sucktitude. I must tip my hat to Darko, he got lots of money for so little of production he had on the court in his career. He's a true bread winner, his wife must be very happy with him.

[Viljanen]

It certainly complicates things. I hate the idea of rewarding Darko with $11M for giving up, but it's Kahn/Taylor's fault for giving him that contract, so they should have to bite the bullet if you ask me.

This is Darko's master plan. He wants to retire now and he want all the money he can get so he decided to reach stratospheric level of sucktitude. I must tip my hat to Darko, he got lots of money for so little of production he had on the court in his career. He's a true bread winner, his wife must be very happy with him.

The sad thing is that it might be true. Seeing how he played in Europe he was an obvious top pick. He could do everything, it wasn´t a hidden potential, he was already real. If you watch a video from that time you wouldn´t even recognise him. Then something happened after the draft, I don´t know what, maybe it was fear not to cope with the expectatives around him(?)... the thing is that it seems that he decided that this wasn´t nothing for him but a way to make good money and come back to Europe.

[skorff26]

I'll throw a few possible options out, (though most probably won't be that appealing but all would be readily available)

Marvin Williams
Richard Jefferson + ?
Mike Miller
Josh Childress + 1st rounder
John Salmons + ?
Andray Blatche + ?
Jason Richardson (maybe?)

Though I wouldn't mind us amnestying Darko, waiving MIler/Webster and making a play for Gordon or Batum (make NOH and Portland pay up)

[Narf]

I still think the best idea I've seen is Darko + Barea for Ben Gordon. Detroit buys out Darko for $4-5 mil and has an extra $6 mil in cap space next year + a young veteran PG (which they need) off the bench and maybe sign Billups or Miller to start.

Trade the #18 pick and Miller's parially guaranteed $$ for Chase Budinger, sign Jodie Meeks, Beasley, and a backup center and call it an off season.

Pekovic/Whoever/2nd round pick
Love/Williams
Budinger/Beasley/Johnson
Gordon/Meeks/Ellington
Rubio/Ridnour/Lee

I prefer Courtney Lee over Meeks, but there's talk on the ESPN board that the Wolves want Meeks (who should be cheaper). So meh.

[Worm Guts]

How unambitious

[eyeteeth]

I still think the best idea I've seen is Darko + Barea for Ben Gordon. Detroit buys out Darko for $4-5 mil and has an extra $6 mil in cap space next year + a young veteran PG (which they need) off the bench and maybe sign Billups or Miller to start.

Trade the #18 pick and Miller's parially guaranteed $$ for Chase Budinger, sign Jodie Meeks, Beasley, and a backup center and call it an off season.

Pekovic/Whoever/2nd round pick
Love/Williams
Budinger/Beasley/Johnson
Gordon/Meeks/Ellington
Rubio/Ridnour/Lee

I prefer Courtney Lee over Meeks, but there's talk on the ESPN board that the Wolves want Meeks (who should be cheaper). So meh.

Yeah, no offense, dude, but this is like running into a wall of mediocrity at 80 mph.

[Krapinsky]

A guy that backwards Fran suggested that I initially scoffed at before I looked more into him is Marco Bellinelli. He's playing great team basketball on both sides of the ball right now. He's a low usage, off the ball, role player who isn't going to create, but his handles are better than any of our wing option right now and I think he would fit well in Adelman's offense. If we could get him for the right $, then he's a guy I wouldn't mind bringing in.

[Krapinsky]

Here's my attempt at an offseason makeover that doesn't involve Gordon or Batum. I'd try to get rid of Barea, Johnson, and Darko. I'd trade D. Williams before his value gets any lower.


1. If possible, trade Williams for Barnes. Yes, I know people are down on Barnes, but if he's Luol Deng 2.0 -- that's still a darn good player and key cog for the future. Can't say that about Williams right now. I think part of the reason people are so down on him is because the expectations were so high. Kobe 2.0 he's not. Luol Deng he might be, with the potential to be a little more like Paul Pierce.

2. Sign Bellinelli for $5M?

3. Sign Asik for $5-6M?

4. Draft Patric Young w/ Jazz pick.

5. Hope to trade Barea for someone less annoying to our star player and his family...

6. Resign Beasley for $5-6M as 6th man.

7. Amnesty Darko

8. Waive Webster and Miller

9. See if someone will take Wes for capspace.

Rubio/Ridnour/Lee
Bellinelli/Ellington
Barnes/Beasley
Love/Young
Pekovic/Asik

[Worm Guts]

I think drafting Young and signing Asik is somewhat redundant. If I was going to draft a big with the Jazz pick I'd probably go with Royce White because of his upside but most likely I'd take a wing.

[Krapinsky]

I think drafting Young and signing Asik is somewhat redundant. If I was going to draft a big with the Jazz pick I'd probably go with Royce White because of his upside but most likely I'd take a wing.

The Bulls frontline currently has Boozer, Noah, Taj, and Asik. I think we need 4 decent bigs. I like the idea of Beasley coming off the bench with that dominant defensive front line behind him. If and when Pek becomes too expensive, Young would be ready to step up.

Nevertheless, another way to do it would be to not resign Beas, but draft Rivers to be the 6th man (if he's there) and then sign a 3-4 like Jeff Green.

Rubio/Ridnour/Lee
Bellinelli/Rivers/Ellington
Barnes/Green
Love/
Pekovic/Asik

[breatnach]

Chris Anderson is probably my least liked player in the entire world. Ugly tattoos, ugly hairdo, fugly beard and ridiculously nickname.

[Narf]

I still think the best idea I've seen is Darko + Barea for Ben Gordon. Detroit buys out Darko for $4-5 mil and has an extra $6 mil in cap space next year + a young veteran PG (which they need) off the bench and maybe sign Billups or Miller to start.

Trade the #18 pick and Miller's parially guaranteed $$ for Chase Budinger, sign Jodie Meeks, Beasley, and a backup center and call it an off season.

Pekovic/Whoever/2nd round pick
Love/Williams
Budinger/Beasley/Johnson
Gordon/Meeks/Ellington
Rubio/Ridnour/Lee

I prefer Courtney Lee over Meeks, but there's talk on the ESPN board that the Wolves want Meeks (who should be cheaper). So meh.

Yeah, no offense, dude, but this is like running into a wall of mediocrity at 80 mph.

None taken. That's not what I would do, that's my guess of what Kahn would do. Buy low on Ben Gordon, trade the pick for a sure thing at SF (even if he's not spectacular), and keep the "core" together.

Personally I'd offer Batum 4 years, $48 mil and make Portland swallow it then sign Courtney Lee. And if I were trading for Ben Gordon, I'd add in Wes Johnson and Webster just to get rid of their salaries. I'm a fan of resigning Beasley to $5.5 mil a year as a 6th man if he'd take it, but I want a starting SF and SG before I use money on that.

I'll add a "what Narf would do" to Klomp's thread

[mandurugo]

The sad thing is that it might be true. Seeing how he played in Europe he was an obvious top pick. He could do everything, it wasn´t a hidden potential, he was already real. If you watch a video from that time you wouldn´t even recognise him. Then something happened after the draft, I don´t know what, maybe it was fear not to cope with the expectatives around him(?)... the thing is that it seems that he decided that this wasn´t nothing for him but a way to make good money and come back to Europe.

Maybe, he definitely was for real before the draft. Darko is a mystery, he can clearly play at a much higher level than he does, but every time you think he's turned the corner and overcome what's holding him back he reverts to his worst self. I still think it was a good gamble for Kahn, but it seems that it just isn't in the cards.

[moss_is_1]

The sad thing is that it might be true. Seeing how he played in Europe he was an obvious top pick. He could do everything, it wasn´t a hidden potential, he was already real. If you watch a video from that time you wouldn´t even recognise him. Then something happened after the draft, I don´t know what, maybe it was fear not to cope with the expectatives around him(?)... the thing is that it seems that he decided that this wasn´t nothing for him but a way to make good money and come back to Europe.

Maybe, he definitely was for real before the draft. Darko is a mystery, he can clearly play at a much higher level than he does, but every time you think he's turned the corner and overcome what's holding him back he reverts to his worst self. I still think it was a good gamble for Kahn, but it seems that it just isn't in the cards.

He's emotionally soft. Didn't Larry Brown make him bulk up a ton too? I'm a bit fuzzy about prospects around that team since I was still fairly young.