Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

SirHuey · Post #1341 » by **SirHuey** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:20 am

fredericklove wrote:
MeloisMVP wrote:If we land one of T Rob or AD, I will forgive BC for everything he has put me through

Which AD are you talking about?

Davis

yayotube · Post #1342 » by **yayotube** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:21 am

fredericklove wrote:
MeloisMVP wrote:If we land one of T Rob or AD, I will forgive BC for everything he has put me through

Which AD are you talking about?

Doesnt matter which, he'll be forgiven for putting us through AB 8-)

ash_k · Post #1343 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:22 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
You can ask the same thing about David West, Carlos Boozer, Blake Griffin, etc. If T-Rob measures out at a legit 6'10" in shoes he's set. Besides, if there's one thing he'll do, it's outwork his opponent.

West, Griffin and Boozer have thicker bodies though no? and West ( I am giving him this year to fullly recover from the ACL to show more) - But playing with Chris Paul helped him a Lot ! even if he has that good J off the PnR

They're as thick as T-Rob, he's not a skinny guy.

He is not, we will have to see how his body develops ... But for now, I cannot see how he comes in and competes at high-level with those guys..

Plus I dont see any Franchise giving him the keys and offensive touches/plays from Day one

kingz32 · Post #1344 » by **kingz32** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:23 am

Imagine the intense practice sessions Robinson and Valanciunas would have.

BryceMaxJames · Post #1345 » by **BryceMaxJames** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:23 am

MeloisMVP wrote:If we land one of T Rob or AD, I will forgive BC for everything he has put me through

+1

He doesnt have the balls to draft T Rob tho, thats Bargs position when Val gets here. This franchise is gonna suck forever with him at the helm.

ash_k · Post #1346 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:24 am

parks3981 wrote:
ash_k wrote:
parks3981 wrote:
13 games. 13!!!!!!!!!! Bargs fans will be talking about those 13 games to their grandchildren when they are 80 years old it seems.

Have you ever seen him play at a higher level in the prior years ? Playing D like he was

Looked like Mutombo still.

Dikembe couldnot combine that with a 3pt shot in his arsenal though!

A_wildstabatanything · Post #1347 » by **A_wildstabatanything** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:25 am

I'd be against drafting any PF (other than Davis obviously) with such a high pick. The 4 is the easiest position to fill... every single draft is full of them. Unless you can confidently project Robinson or Sullinger to be head and shoulders above the rest it doesn't make a lot of sense to pass on the wings we've been looking at.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1348 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:26 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:
West, Griffin and Boozer have thicker bodies though no? and West ( I am giving him this year to fullly recover from the ACL to show more) - But playing with Chris Paul helped him a Lot ! even if he has that good J off the PnR

They're as thick as T-Rob, he's not a skinny guy.

He is not, we will have to see how his body develops ... But for now, I cannot see how he comes in and competes at high-level with those guys..

Plus I dont see any Franchise giving him the keys and offensive touches/plays from Day one

Are we talking about the same Thomas Robinson? He's a big guy. Right now he's listed at 240...

As for a franchise giving him the keys, they won't. He's not a #1 option but there arguably isn't one of those in this draft until AD develops his offense.

kingz32 · Post #1349 » by **kingz32** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:26 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:
West, Griffin and Boozer have thicker bodies though no? and West ( I am giving him this year to fullly recover from the ACL to show more) - But playing with Chris Paul helped him a Lot ! even if he has that good J off the PnR

They're as thick as T-Rob, he's not a skinny guy.

He is not, we will have to see how his body develops ... But for now, I cannot see how he comes in and competes at high-level with those guys..

Plus I dont see any Franchise giving him the keys and offensive touches/plays from Day one

It's not like the Raptors have a choice. We need to give the keys to someone since no one on our team is a leader and they're all mild minded individuals. BC always speaks about getting guys with the right attitude but that just ends up meaning drafting players with passive mentalities that won't snap at their coaches or teammates publicly and cause turmoil.

kingz32 · Post #1350 » by **kingz32** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:31 am

BryceMaxJames wrote:
MeloisMVP wrote:If we land one of T Rob or AD, I will forgive BC for everything he has put me through

+1

He doesnt have the balls to draft T Rob tho, thats Bargs position when Val gets here. This franchise is gonna suck forever with him at the helm.

If he had the balls to draft Bargnani when we had a better Chris Bosh at the same position, he better find the balls to do this as well. Thomas Robinson isn't a project. When he comes in you know what you're getting. His body isn't raw, he's not an Ed Davis, there's little margin for error here. A Bargnani/Valanciunas backcourt isnt doing anything significant in this league no matter how much money we spend in free agency. We need interior scoring but not at the expense of defense leadership. We need Robinson.

ash_k · Post #1351 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:31 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Are we talking about the same Thomas Robinson? He's a big guy. Right now he's listed at 240...

As for a franchise giving him the keys, they won't. He's not a #1 option but there arguably isn't one of those in this draft until AD develops his offense.

Nobody said he was small but those NBA PFs guys are bigger and/or longer..In my opinion he is not even a 2# option at that level.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1352 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:34 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Are we talking about the same Thomas Robinson? He's a big guy. Right now he's listed at 240...

As for a franchise giving him the keys, they won't. He's not a #1 option but there arguably isn't one of those in this draft until AD develops his offense.

Nobody said he was small but those NBA PFs guys are bigger and/or longer..In my opinion he is not even a 2# option at that level.

Neither are any of the guys you mentioned. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but you're not doing a very good job of proving it. And I doubt any of Boozer, Griffin and West are bigger or longer with their crocodile arms, Bosh yes but he's skinnier.

ash_k · Post #1353 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:35 am

kingz32 wrote:
ash_k wrote:
He is not, we will have to see how his body develops ... But for now, I cannot see how he comes in and competes at high-level with those guys..

Plus I dont see any Franchise giving him the keys and offensive touches/plays from Day one

It's not like the Raptors have a choice. We need to give the keys to someone since no one on our team is a leader and they're all mild minded individuals. BC always speaks about getting guys with the right attitude but that just ends up meaning drafting players with passive mentalities that won't snap at their coaches or teammates publicly and cause turmoil.

Let's just not give them to a player like T.Rob, no thank you.

fredericklove · Post #1354 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:38 am

Bigger? Maybe longer frame than T-Rob but T-Rob already has a tanked body, he can even put up extra pounds in the NBA, for sure he'll have the body to pound down low if he continues to bulk up. Also, he has a combination of strength/quickness/explosiveness. Also, his game is all based on explosiveness, rather than on strength, that's a good sign. There can be matchups where he's over-matched but he won't be over-matched every single game, I can tell you that.

ash_k · Post #1355 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:39 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Are we talking about the same Thomas Robinson? He's a big guy. Right now he's listed at 240...

As for a franchise giving him the keys, they won't. He's not a #1 option but there arguably isn't one of those in this draft until AD develops his offense.

Nobody said he was small but those NBA PFs guys are bigger and/or longer..In my opinion he is not even a 2# option at that level.

Neither are any of the guys you mentioned. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but you're not doing a very good job of proving it. And I doubt any of Boozer, Griffin and West are bigger or longer with their crocodile arms, Bosh yes but he's skinnier.

Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1356 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:41 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Nobody said he was small but those NBA PFs guys are bigger and/or longer..In my opinion he is not even a 2# option at that level.

Neither are any of the guys you mentioned. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but you're not doing a very good job of proving it. And I doubt any of Boozer, Griffin and West are bigger or longer with their crocodile arms, Bosh yes but he's skinnier.

Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

I disagree.

fredericklove · Post #1357 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:42 am

ash_k wrote:Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

Except you have the size of Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake during their rookie seasons but no rookies on any body level can compete with those veterans at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

ash_k · Post #1358 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:44 am

fredericklove wrote:
ash_k wrote:Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

Except Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake, no rookies on any body level can compete with those guys at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

Edit:
I am hearing T.Rob as an All-Star, I think the tournament getting people excited

fredericklove · Post #1359 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:45 am

ash_k wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Except Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake, no rookies on any body level can compete with those guys at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

I said body strength wise.

ash_k · Post #1360 » by **ash_k** » Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:51 am

fredericklove wrote:
ash_k wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Except Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake, no rookies on any body level can compete with those guys at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

I said body strength wise.

To be clear, do you have T-Rob as a potential All-Star in your books?