Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

[highness]

Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

Except Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake, no rookies on any body level can compete with those guys at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

Edit:
I am hearing T.Rob as an All-Star, I think the tournament getting people excited

I think you just don't want Bargnani replaced.

[ash_k]

I think you just don't want Bargnani replaced.

He is a special talent and now has coach to fully exploit it..I wanted him traded in the summer and even before the season started...then the season started

[raptor jesus]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

If he measures at 6'10" with a 7'1" wingspan he goes 2nd overall, book it.

[ash_k]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

If he measures at 6'10" with a 7'1" wingspan he goes 2nd overall, book it.

I am curious to see how he looks next to Kentucky's T.Jones; it will be a great indication

[fredericklove]

Bosh is much longer
Boozer Griffin West are bigger.
we will see how his body develops but for now he cannot compete with those guys at a high-level

Except Shaq, Tim, Oden, or Blake, no rookies on any body level can compete with those guys at a high level, we're talking about years down the road. And you're judging on the competing on a rookie season level, that's not saying much.

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

Edit:
I am hearing T.Rob as an All-Star, I think the tournament getting people excited

Don't jump to blindness conclusion. I don't think any or most of us say he'll be an all star. You heard maybe one guy or less saying he is one but I'm certainly not one of them. What we saying is if he is drafted by the Raptors, he'll be providing the toughness and rebounding that Bargnani couldn't bring in all 6 years, and with T-Rob's talent level, if he pans out, he'll be a great inside combo with Val. The tournament does get people excited but alot of us know T-Rob is a solid lottery pick. We're just discussing on what he can bring to us if he's on our team, I know you're scared that Bargnani could be replaced if we get a big this draft, its understandable. Right now we're just projecting what he can bring to us. This is the discussion we're all having here, or at least what I'm having here.

[BryceMaxJames]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

If he measures at 6'10" with a 7'1" wingspan he goes 2nd overall, book it.

+1

if he's available, I say we grab him, get rid of Davis.

[CoachJReturns]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

Have to admit the idea of a starting frontcourt with talent that isn't soft sounds nice. Haven't really had a tough pair in the frontcourt since Oakley and Davis. I don't think Colangelo will ever let Bargnani go unfortunately. Whether he has a hard on for him, or whether he just can't find a very good deal I can't say. I think it's simply his being his only number 1 draft choice ever, but that's just my personal opinion. Luckily, there are 5 or 6 guys I'd be happy with in this draft. Still, if we did draft Robinson it'd be a pretty nice change of pace. Also means Bargnani would be gone at some point in a deal for a wing or point guard. It could start off a chain reaction leading to a more balanced and traditional team. Big men who score in the post and rebound as well as challenge shots, point guards who can create for themselves and others, maybe a shooting guard who can really shoot... Who knows.

[raptor jesus]

Let's say Robinson measures 6'9 in shoes, even though he's measured at 6'10 in the past. And boasts a wingspan over 7 feet (reportedly 7'1). Would he really be undersized in today's NBA? I don't see perennial all-star potential. Maybe a spot appearance or two due to injuries, or a down year in the conference. But pairing him with Val could produce a rare high energy AND talented front court.

If he measures at 6'10" with a 7'1" wingspan he goes 2nd overall, book it.

I am curious to see how he looks next to Kentucky's T.Jones; it will be a great indication

I'd imagine it's real close. Robinson looks a shade taller here, though.

[ash_k]

Don't jump to blindness conclusion. I don't think any or most of us say he'll be an all star. You heard maybe one guy or less saying he is one but I'm certainly not one of them. What we saying is if he is drafted by the Raptors, he'll be providing the toughness and rebounding that Bargnani couldn't bring in all 6 years, and with T-Rob's talent level, if he pans out, he'll be a great inside combo with Val. The tournament does get people excited but alot of us know T-Rob is a solid lottery pick. We're just discussing on what he can bring to us if he's on our team, I know you're scared that Bargnani could be replaced if we get a big this draft, its understandable. Right now we're just projecting what he can bring to us. This is the discussion we're all having here, or at least what I'm having here.

Talking about jumping to blindness conclusion, dont be so sure about me scared of Bargnani being replaced lol...I wanted him traded in the summer..some mentionning T.Rob as an All-Star means "some"..not all .cmon lets try to stay serious. I saw what I needed to see in those 13 games from Bargnani...He showed the toughness without a training camp...

For Val I would rather have a 5 hat could cover both 4 and 5 NExt to him.. ..twin tower combination..For example someone like Gortat is good enough of an athlete + the size to do that.... T.Rob doesnt fill that bill to me

Edit: Davis would fit that bill so perfectly with some added strength ...oh lottery

[highness]

I think you just don't want Bargnani replaced.

He is a special talent and now has coach to fully exploit it..I wanted him traded in the summer and even before the season started...then the season started

13 games.....he started off hot last season too. Lately he's been lookng more like the same old Bargnani with streaky offense and 0 defense/rebounding. If Robinson proves to be the best player available then you pick him and trade bargnani for a wing or a point guard. Bargnani is in his 6th season we should all know what he is at this spoint. Bargnani is a good scorer but is far from untouchable.

[kingz32]

Don't jump to blindness conclusion. I don't think any or most of us say he'll be an all star. You heard maybe one guy or less saying he is one but I'm certainly not one of them. What we saying is if he is drafted by the Raptors, he'll be providing the toughness and rebounding that Bargnani couldn't bring in all 6 years, and with T-Rob's talent level, if he pans out, he'll be a great inside combo with Val. The tournament does get people excited but alot of us know T-Rob is a solid lottery pick. We're just discussing on what he can bring to us if he's on our team, I know you're scared that Bargnani could be replaced if we get a big this draft, its understandable. Right now we're just projecting what he can bring to us. This is the discussion we're all having here, or at least what I'm having here.

Talking about jumping to blindness conclusion, dont be so sure about me scared of Bargnani being replaced lol...I wanted him traded in the summer..some mentionning T.Rob as an All-Star means "some"..not all .cmon lets try to stay serious. I saw what I needed to see in those 13 games from Bargnani...He showed the toughness without a training camp...

For Val I would rather have a 5 hat could cover both 4 and 5 NExt to him.. ..twin tower combination..For example someone like Gortat is good enough of an athlete + the size to do that.... T.Rob doesnt fill that bill to me

Edit: Davis would fit that bill so perfectly with some added strength ...oh lottery

So you'd rather have Gortat than Robinson....facepalm tbh...i respect your opinion but a team with Bargnani or Gortat has no chance of winning anything substantial, how about we actually get some heart, leadership, strength, and talent on this team that rebounds and plays defense. The idea of Bargnani's skill set is great but when that skill set doesnt come with additives like defense and rebounding you can forget about it *Joe Pesci voice*

[ash_k]

I think you just don't want Bargnani replaced.

He is a special talent and now has coach to fully exploit it..I wanted him traded in the summer and even before the season started...then the season started

13 games.....he started off hot last season too. Lately he's been lookng more like the same old Bargnani with streaky offense and 0 defense/rebounding. If Robinson proves to be the best player available then you pick him and trade bargnani for a wing or a point guard. Bargnani is in his 6th season we should all know what he is at this spoint. Bargnani is a good scorer but is far from untouchable.

Nobody is untouchable on the team and I believe BC would have traded Bargnani if he wasn't for Casey interview..

He has missed 20 games + no training camp; it explains the deep in his production.

What he showed defensively and offensively at the beginning though??!! it was different though!

[ash_k]

So you'd rather have Gortat than Robinson....facepalm tbh...i respect your opinion but a team with Bargnani or Gortat has no chance of winning anything substantial, how about we actually get some heart, leadership, strength, and talent on this team that rebounds and plays defense. The idea of Bargnani's skill set is great but when that skill set doesnt come with additives like defense and rebounding you can forget about it *Joe Pesci voice*

Actually yes, Gortat as a 15/10 physical/Athletic center(and still young) over T.Robinson anyday, sorry

[highness]

Nobody is untouchable on the team and I believe BC would have traded Bargnani if he wasn't for Casey interview..

He has missed 20 games + no training camp; it explains the deep in his production.

What he showed defensively and offensively at the beginning though??!! it was different though!

5 previous seasons >>>> 13 games.

[kingz32]

He is a special talent and now has coach to fully exploit it..I wanted him traded in the summer and even before the season started...then the season started

13 games.....he started off hot last season too. Lately he's been lookng more like the same old Bargnani with streaky offense and 0 defense/rebounding. If Robinson proves to be the best player available then you pick him and trade bargnani for a wing or a point guard. Bargnani is in his 6th season we should all know what he is at this spoint. Bargnani is a good scorer but is far from untouchable.

Nobody is untouchable on the team and I believe BC would have traded Bargnani if he wasn't for Casey interview..

He has missed 20 games + no training camp; it explains the deep in his production.

What he showed defensively and offensively at the beginning though??!! it was different though!

Should've saw this coming. BC using Bargnani's injury as an excuse to keep him around even longer and him using those 13 games and a new training camp as a justification for a possible improvement.

[ash_k]

Should've saw this coming. BC using Bargnani's injury as an excuse to keep him around even longer and him using those 13 games and a new training camp as a justification for a possible improvement.

Didnt you notice anything different from Bargnani though this time around before the injury?

I am trying to stay on the Draft Message I swear.

Lets give it one more year with Bargnani with a training Camp and see how he works out with Val, if it doesnt work and Val shows all goods signs and promises that folks are talking about ..then we trade Bargnani..Deal ?

Of course everything changes if we win the draft..

[Undefeated]

Size isn't a problem for Thomas Robinson. I thought we all witnessed what T-Rob was able to do against UNC's front line of Tyler Zeller and John Henson whom will more than likely be serviceable NBA bigs? He's still got to get that jumper down pat consistently, but he had no problem pulling Zeller away from the basket or banging down low with John Henson. I mean, I remember T-Rob knocking down a three-point shot up top at the key like it was nothing over the outreached arms of Zeller trying to contest the shot. Another play, he put the ball on the floor and drove past by Zeller for the up-and-under scoop lay-up. There's not going to be that many bigs who are taller than Zeller. From all accounts, T-Rob showed he can play with the big guys mixing up his offense outside-inside, inside-outside it don't matter for T-Rob.

[fredericklove]

So you believe that he can reach that level in year 2 or 3 or 4 then?

I said body strength wise.

To be clear, do you have T-Rob as a potential All-Star in your books?

Just to be clear, I don't talk about all star or superstar potential of anyone (except Davis). I just talk about what a prospect can bring to our team on skillset level, or how a prospect fit Casey's system. Thus far in all of draft threads or on raps board, I never once talk or mention about any prospect's having possibility of becoming all-star (except Davis) because I'm not like that other poster (no, I'm not talking about you but it's another poster) who loves to talk about "all-star potential". All-star or not, that to me is an irrelevant issue. I much rather emphasize on skillset, it's more logical that way.

[fredericklove]

If he measures at 6'10" with a 7'1" wingspan he goes 2nd overall, book it.

I am curious to see how he looks next to Kentucky's T.Jones; it will be a great indication

ash_k, weren't you the one who said TJ w/ shoes is 6'7.5 ? I'm sure T-Rob is well over that.