Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

[koolguy]

I really like kendall marshall. he seems to be a smart player and probably the best passing pg in the draft. his ability to score is questionable but he's aggressive on the dribble and seems to always find a way to create for his team mates.

there's a chance that he might slide into the late first round or even second round due to his wrist injury. maybe we can nab a pick from trading Calderon? he could be a decent low maintenance backup for us.

[Marlo Stanfield]

My attempt at Beal in a Raptor uniform..

Bring him home!

If I was gay I'd fap to that

[Dr Positivity]

yea I like fab melo over Drummond. Especially for where melo will be drafted and where Drummond will. Not sure about the weight issue, maybe that was in the past but he looked good this yr, especially down the stretch. Drummond was up n down all yr and was down mostly during the stretch. Hes gonna get a GM fired depeneding on who takes him n where he goes...

I think Drummond is going to be a crappy player, but in the way Deandre and Javale are where they still get teams to buy into them because of their stats. I consider Deandre and Javale to be negative impact players. The shots they block don't make up for their missed rotations and poor basketball IQ.

[Kevin Willis]

fab melo is soloman alabi 2.0

Not even close. In that case Drummon is Solomon Alabi 3.0.

[tdotrep2]

who says you have to be gay, certain thinks go beyond sexual preference.

[tdotrep2]

yea I like fab melo over Drummond. Especially for where melo will be drafted and where Drummond will. Not sure about the weight issue, maybe that was in the past but he looked good this yr, especially down the stretch. Drummond was up n down all yr and was down mostly during the stretch. Hes gonna get a GM fired depeneding on who takes him n where he goes...

I think Drummond is going to be a crappy player, but in the way Deandre and Javale are where they still get teams to buy into them because of their stats. I consider Deandre and Javale to be negative impact players. The shots they block don't make up for their missed rotations and poor basketball IQ.

Sounds like andrea, replace block shots with volume shoot.

[Undefeated]

DX just updated their mock draft. Andre Drummond is now projected to go 2nd after a couple of weeks sitting at 4th.

[Kevin Willis]

You like Fab Melo better then Drummond?

You can't be serious

They're the same player basically except Drummond has more 'potential'. Same size. Similar numbers. I would prefer Melo over Drummond too. At least Melo improved this year, he's just not that bright.

Drummond is 3 years younger and an althletic freak where Fab Melo has weight issues a
poor work ethic and is dumb as a rock. And some of you still prefer a bubble first round pick
for a guy who could possibly be the consensus 2nd pick in the draft? lol

Where was Thabeet drafted? Anyway Drummond is a better prospect but his motor isn't good. Melo lost a ton of weight this year showing drive and greatly improved since his first year. He was also a high school All-American so he's not a bum. Drummond is the youngest guy in the NCAA - next to MKG - so he's not old, just older. His career will most likely be better than Melo's but if not by much I would take Melo at a later pick if I wanted a shot-blocking big with 'potential'.

[dTox]

But Ed hasn't been given a wrong treatment. He's gotten 24 and 22mpg his first 2 years. He's played nearly 2800 minutes for us to see and evaluate him with, and of course the team evaluates him in practice and scrimmages as well. Ed has been given the opportunity to prove he's a starting caliber and dynamic player, and what he's proven is that he's not. That's all I ask for when developing a player. Likewise you give Robinson and Val 20-25mpg and they can prove how good they are. That's more than enough time. If they end up the next Horford and Noah, they'll be starting by year 2 or 3. We're not going to have a player as productive as Horford and Noah coming off the bench. "The Ed treatment" is the status quo when it comes to prospects. When they prove they're starting caliber, you start them. If 2 years in they've proven they're not even above average bench players, then that's the role you plan for them long term

Ed isn't starting because he hasn't proven he's a starting player. Bayless isn't starting because he hasn't proven he's a starting player. Yes that sentence is true regardless of his stats, the guy is a score first, tunnel vision 6'2 SG even when he's doing well statistically, and every respectable team knows you don't start players like that long term especially in the most talented PG boom ever - you bring them off the bench as sparkplugs. With the way they played the last 2 years, right now the only way they fit into long term plans is if they're our 7th and 8th men. Good franchises aren't fooled by average players putting up stats for 2 weeks when they're starting on a bad team.

LOL there's no point in arguing, your views on the players are very subjectively different then mine. You say that Bayless is a me first pg who won't succeed yet he clearly is the better player in comparison to Jose and impacts the game in more ways than Calderon oh and let's not forget that our offense produces more points and generates more wins with him at the starting position (but that's a different argument for a different thread), oh and currently most elite teams are led by score first point guards (see OKC, Chicago, San Antonio).

I'm not saying Ed should be in the starting nor the up coming rookies, but their minutes should be distributed based on performances, and if they out play Bargnani in situations that Ed has in the past then they should be rewarded by closing out the SAME game rather than getting hooked just because they're minutes were pre dermined to be 20-25. You still harp on players getting undeserved minutes yet continue to ignore the fact that Andrea's been spoon fed minutes/starter roles pretty much his whole career and continues to play undeserved minutes. And yes Robinson/Drummond/Davis should come off the bench at the start, but their minutes shouldn't be predermined to 20-25 minutes in games they manage to out play their starter counterparts, but rather be rewarded with closing minutes, and if it becomes a consistent thing they should eventually land the starting gig and deservedly so. The problem with Andrea being here is that, they're roles will forever be the same until he gets traded, and in games where they manage to outplay him they'll get sent to the bench regardless.

[fredericklove]

DX just updated their mock draft. Andre Drummond is now projected to go 2nd after a couple of weeks sitting at 4th.

Potential beats everything, tsk tsk tsk.

[nelabai]

DX just updated their mock draft. Andre Drummond is now projected to go 2nd after a couple of weeks sitting at 4th.

They have Jeremy Lamb ranked as number 13, after Henson and both of Zeller brothers. That pretty much sums it all.

[bballsparkin]

I'm fine with keeping Bargs til next year if the Raps draft a wing or guard. Even with Drummond that would be fine. Bargs value is not likely to drop or increase much either way.

But I think if the Raps pick TRob or Sullinger they should trade Bargnani. Enough of this drafting a PF with a high pick to play behind a PF. It doesn't work. If the Raps draft a clear cut PF they should trade Andrea.

They probably should with A Davis too. But I'm a kool aid drinker and would get suckered into the prospect of JV/Bargs/Davis on at the same time.

edit: I didn't vote as the choice is too hard.

[Steve Urkel]

I have the strangest feeling that BC is targeting Scott Machado in the second round, there is no doubt in my mind that this is a BC style PG as he's a good distributor, decent shooter and has questionable lateral quicks.

[JN]

Even before Melo blew the season for SU with his issues, I easily put Drummond over Melo.

One particular game Melo made a big defensive stop on Drummond, which lit a fire under Drummond's ass. After that Drummond dominated once he got the ball, and he still had no real clue how to play basketball. Drummond is clearly the more dynamic prospect despite his motor issues and lack of awareness. Melo is a little dull and brings alot of baggage, and limited offensive game. Drummond is much more explosive around the basket and scored at a higher rate then Melo.

Melo is a 20-30 type pick, and Drummond is worthy of a shot outside the top 5.

[Waylon Mercy]

Andre Drummond is an athletic freak guys that big that are athletic freaks tend to do
well in the NBA. Drummond at times got in early foul trouble was not invloved in their
offense because of Napier and lost minutes to Ohriaki (sp?) the vet at times.

If for whatever reason he doesn't pan out then he will fall to the McGee/D Jordan level....

The stuff about him having a questionable motor is BS I've seen him play on a badly
sprained ankle, run the floor with passion, dive for loose balls and take losing badly.
His defense is already at an NBA level his offense is still a work in progress but the
signs of a 18-20 ppg scorer is there.

To say Fab Melo is better or hes gonna be Thabeet is complete lunacay

[Marlo Stanfield]

Fab Melo has bust written all over him. And even if he doesn't become a bust, he's going to be very mediocre in my opinion. Besides, if he's even decent wouldn't someone in desperate need of a Center take him in the first round?

[God Squad]

Andre Drummond is an athletic freak guys that big that are athletic freaks tend to do
well in the NBA. Drummond at times got in early foul trouble was not invloved in their
offense because of Napier and lost minutes to Ohriaki (sp?) the vet at times.

If for whatever reason he doesn't pan out then he will fall to the McGee/D Jordan level....

The stuff about him having a questionable motor is BS I've seen him play on a badly
sprained ankle, run the floor with passion, dive for loose balls and take losing badly.
His defense is already at an NBA level his offense is still a work in progress but the
signs of a 18-20 ppg scorer is there.

To say Fab Melo is better or hes gonna be Thabeet is complete lunacay

+ Drummond is a very underrated passer as well.

[tdotrep2]

Drummond comes off as more nervous than a questionable motor. Prior to his college season I don't think he played in many big games.

[DG88]

I have the strangest feeling that BC is targeting Scott Machado in the second round, there is no doubt in my mind that this is a BC style PG as he's a good distributor, decent shooter and has questionable lateral quicks.

He might end up being a steal in the second round

[Undefeated]

I don't think Drummond's got a questionable motor either. I remember Drummond tweaking his ankle in a game against Syracuse on the road, and after getting his ankle checked, he came back into the game and dunked right on Fab Melo. It's just the lack of fundamentals, so he looks completely lost out there not knowing how to position himself underneath the basket, finding a body and boxing out, doesn't know how to cut, set screens on-ball or off-ball which makes him look like he's got a questionable motor. Lack of understanding to play off the ball and doing the little things that helps win games. No doubt he's got tremendous upside, but as a prospect with no fundamentals at all, it worries me.