Anthony Davis

[ManualRam]

What people forget about Davis is that he also a very smart player. He might have strength issues with some players, but I don't see anyone stopping him from getting 20 pts., 10+, rbs, 3-5 asts, and 2 or 3 blk shts his rookie year if he gets 30-35 minutes a game. He's just too good.

those are his prime numbers if everything goes right for him, not rookie year numbers.

No, those are his rookie numbers. Assuming he goes to a bottom-feeder. Those nos. will look better when he's a vet. I remember when Larry Bird was a rookie, I had a co-worker who said Bird wouldn't hardly get off the bench as a rookie. I said he'd get 20-10 his first year. Bird got 20-10 his first year and bettered the pts. year by year. Davis will do the same. He might increase the brds. while the pts. stay the same, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him better both nos. after a year or two. If Davis goes to a team like Bobcats, there's no way they're not going to try to get pts. out of him. If any of the Bobcat players don't pass him the ball, they'll be gone. If I was the gm, they'd be gone. I'm not sure the present Bobcat staff knows what's going on.

sounds like a terrible way to develop a prospect.

[Johnlac1]

Have you ever seen the Bobcats play? Look up stagnant offense in the dictionary, and there's a description of the Bobcats. They're not a bunch of geniuses. The inclination of most of the players is to shoot the ball as soon as they get their grubby mitts on it. If I'm the coach, and I've got Davis, the offense is going through him. He doesn't have to take thirty shots a game, he's such a good passer he'll make the other players a lot better. He'll bring intelligence to the team, something they now lack bigtime. Currently there's no player on the Bobcats any team fears. If the other Bobcats forget he's on the floor, they'd be gone quicker than you can say Kemba Walker. By the way, I'd fire the present coaching staff as well. I don't think Silas can create a good offense in which Davis can operate .

[ManualRam]

Have you ever seen the Bobcats play? Look up stagnant offense in the dictionary, and there's a description of the Bobcats. They're not a bunch of geniuses. The inclination of most of the players is to shoot the ball as soon as they get their grubby mitts on it. If I'm the coach, and I've got Davis, the offense is going through him. He doesn't have to take thirty shots a game, he's such a good passer he'll make the other players a lot better. He'll bring intelligence to the team, something they now lack bigtime. Currently there's no player on the Bobcats any team fears. If the other Bobcats forget he's on the floor, they'd be gone quicker than you can say Kemba Walker. By the way, I'd fire the present coaching staff as well. I don't think Silas can create a good offense in which Davis can operate .

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

[Johnlac1]

Have you ever seen the Bobcats play? Look up stagnant offense in the dictionary, and there's a description of the Bobcats. They're not a bunch of geniuses. The inclination of most of the players is to shoot the ball as soon as they get their grubby mitts on it. If I'm the coach, and I've got Davis, the offense is going through him. He doesn't have to take thirty shots a game, he's such a good passer he'll make the other players a lot better. He'll bring intelligence to the team, something they now lack bigtime. Currently there's no player on the Bobcats any team fears. If the other Bobcats forget he's on the floor, they'd be gone quicker than you can say Kemba Walker. By the way, I'd fire the present coaching staff as well. I don't think Silas can create a good offense in which Davis can operate .

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

Again, you should watch the Bobcats. He would easily be their best offensive player. You wouldn't have to force feed him anything.

[ManualRam]

Have you ever seen the Bobcats play? Look up stagnant offense in the dictionary, and there's a description of the Bobcats. They're not a bunch of geniuses. The inclination of most of the players is to shoot the ball as soon as they get their grubby mitts on it. If I'm the coach, and I've got Davis, the offense is going through him. He doesn't have to take thirty shots a game, he's such a good passer he'll make the other players a lot better. He'll bring intelligence to the team, something they now lack bigtime. Currently there's no player on the Bobcats any team fears. If the other Bobcats forget he's on the floor, they'd be gone quicker than you can say Kemba Walker. By the way, I'd fire the present coaching staff as well. I don't think Silas can create a good offense in which Davis can operate .

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

Again, you should watch the Bobcats. He would easily be their best offensive player. You wouldn't have to force feed him anything.

you said that if they dont pass him the ball they're gone. that's not force feeding?

he wasnt even the #1 or 2 option on kentucky, yet he should be the #1 option if he went to CHA?

putting an offensively raw, physically underdeveloped player in a position to sink or swim right off the bat sounds like a very bad idea to me. the cats might be bad, but you're exaggerating their lack of offensive ability. if AD becomes a #1 option (which i have doubts of him being, even at his peak) it should be because he earned it.

[Jazzfan12]

The Bobcats have the worst offense in NBA history IIRC.

[Respect My Mind]

LOL at using Bosh frame as his best case scenario. Bosh get throttled by guys like Millsap and Aldrige in the paint. Davis is gonna be skinny for life and will not be effective in the paint because of it.

[Doctor MJ]

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

Curious your thoughts on recent rookies putting up big numbers. For me virtually none of them were good enough to actually warrant that level of primacy. Teams simply wanted the guy getting used to the role they wanted him to eventually play, and with the top players, this strategy seems to work just fine.

With that said, force feeding Davis to 20 PPG seems pretty questionable to me given that defense will always be his top priority. Seems to me the top priority is getting used to being the defensive hub, nor offensive hub.

[Johnlac1]

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

Curious your thoughts on recent rookies putting up big numbers. For me virtually none of them were good enough to actually warrant that level of primacy. Teams simply wanted the guy getting used to the role they wanted him to eventually play, and with the top players, this strategy seems to work just fine.

With that said, force feeding Davis to 20 PPG seems pretty questionable to me given that defense will always be his top priority. Seems to me the top priority is getting used to being the defensive hub, nor offensive hub.

Okay, I'll backslide to 15-16 pts at minimum. C'mon, these are the Bobcats we're talking about. They have a tough time getting 90 pts a game. Who are their current great offensive options? The only way I see Davis not getting 18-20pts is if some of their other players step it up. Henderson, Walker, and Mullens would have to start scoring a lot more. All three have the capabilities. Mullens more so than Henderson and Walker believe it or not. That's if Mullens learns to score off the dribble. Now if the Bobcats keep Silas and the players continue to play their present stupid style of ball, then Davis might have a tough time scoring. But the guy is just too talented not to score ...even on a team of thoughtless chuckers like the Bobcats.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Davis needs to be a Wizard.

They are being developed to defend and to run and score in transition. Anthony Davis would be perfect alongside Nene, and playing with young guys who get after it like Seraphin and Booker do. Washington would probably have the league's best defense in time. Wall, Vesely, and Singleton are all long, lanky players who run. Davis would turn that team into an elite defensive unit.

[Johnny Kilroy]

there is such a lack of knowledge by all the teenagers here who look at davis and say he can never get big. they obviously know nothing about the human body and strength training. just because a guy is skinny doesn't mean he has a bad frame. i actually think his frame is fairly decent. he's got wide shoulders, that goes a long way. at his size, he could easily put on 30 pounds of muscle. it's not that difficult.

[ma_falaa_50]

its not a matter of If he can gain 30 lbs but how does increased weight affect his game?

[Avalanche]

The same weight room that is going to allow him to put on upper body weight, is also going to increase the size of his legs, and the power... weight comes gradually, his body and his athletic ability will adjust and grow at the same time his body does

I dont see any issues with him putting on 20-25lbs, dont think it will change his game at all

[cdubbz]

its not a matter of If he can gain 30 lbs but how does increased weight affect his game?

he'll only get better. he is probably underweight so gaining muscle won't change him up.

[ManualRam]

im just not a believer in force feeding success.
davis is not good enough offensively to be the hub of an offense as soon as next yr. i'd let him develop at his own pace and make him earn a primary role on offense.

Curious your thoughts on recent rookies putting up big numbers. For me virtually none of them were good enough to actually warrant that level of primacy. Teams simply wanted the guy getting used to the role they wanted him to eventually play, and with the top players, this strategy seems to work just fine.

With that said, force feeding Davis to 20 PPG seems pretty questionable to me given that defense will always be his top priority. Seems to me the top priority is getting used to being the defensive hub, nor offensive hub.

if the rookie is skilled, has the feel for the game and/or is physically capable of dominating his position right off the bat offensively, i have less of a problem with the player being given that responsibility. for instance, i did have a problem with how a kid like tyreke was given carte blanche without earning it and i was not a fan of how wall was being utilized his rookie yr. both were put in a position to log heavy minutes and put up gaudy raw stats that belied their true impact on the game. imo, it gave them a false sense of where they are stacked up in the league and it set the bar very high for the rest of their careers. ideally, i'd want a rookie to learn from experience, but one of the ways to learn from experience is to be held accountable for mistakes. if a rookie is given carte blanche, is the #1 option right off the bat and is played 40 minutes a night, how exactly are they being held accountable??

davis does have an advanced feel for the game, but offensively he's too raw and is too physically underdeveloped to heap all those expectations and responsibilities on him from day one. imo, he should be eased in just like KG was.

[Johnlac1]

To all the posters who think Davis should be eased in, please explain how. Kyrie Irving is averaging close to 19 pts a game in about 31 mnts per game. Let's say Davis goes to the Bobcats which has the worst offense in the league. Even allowing for some of the Bobcat players like Mullens, Walker, and Henderson increasing their offensive production, I can't see how they leave Davis out of the offensive flow. He can score inside and outside. Currently the Bobcats have no player who can score inside effectively . Mullens can only score inside when he gets a lob pass for a dunk or off a guard penetrating. Plus Davis is a good passer.He'll get the other players some easy baskets. If he's averaging 30-35 minutes a game, which is not unreasonable, I don't see how he can't score unless the other players are deliberately freezing him out. Which I doubt the coaching staff would allow. Now if Davis goes to the Raptors or even the Wizards, I could see him having to score less than would have to with the Bobcats. Even the Wizards have players who are more capable of scoring than the Bobcats. I don't know if the Nets are in the Davis lottery, but could you see Davis playing with D. Williams?

[Dr Positivity]

But that's just it -If Irving can't even get to 20ppg, how is Davis going to? Irving's offensive ability coming out of college was far higher. And it's easier for Irving to take over offensively immediately as a guard who can dominate the ball and set his offense up.

Greg Monroe in his 2nd year as clearly the Pistons top guy their offense relies around feeding, is still only at 16ppg. His first year was 12.ppg per 36. I think it'd be pretty kind to Anthony Davis to say he can match that his first 2 years, personally I think he's a level below Monroe in offensive talent

The Bobcats are bad but it's not like they have non NBA players. Kemba, Henderson, Maggette can all create off the dribble. Davis isn't a better shot creator than those guys yet.

[ManualRam]

To all the posters who think Davis should be eased in, please explain how. Kyrie Irving is averaging close to 19 pts a game in about 31 mnts per game. Let's say Davis goes to the Bobcats which has the worst offense in the league. Even allowing for some of the Bobcat players like Mullens, Walker, and Henderson increasing their offensive production, I can't see how they leave Davis out of the offensive flow. He can score inside and outside. Currently the Bobcats have no player who can score inside effectively . Mullens can only score inside when he gets a lob pass for a dunk or off a guard penetrating. Plus Davis is a good passer.He'll get the other players some easy baskets. If he's averaging 30-35 minutes a game, which is not unreasonable, I don't see how he can't score unless the other players are deliberately freezing him out. Which I doubt the coaching staff would allow. Now if Davis goes to the Raptors or even the Wizards, I could see him having to score less than would have to with the Bobcats. Even the Wizards have players who are more capable of scoring than the Bobcats. I don't know if the Nets are in the Davis lottery, but could you see Davis playing with D. Williams?

-davis is not irving offensively.
-not making him the #1 offensive option from the jump would be a good starting point.
-run a motion offense as the base offense. maybe something like the bulls' motion flex, the spurs offense, philly's offense, cle's princeton principles offense, etc. that'll allow him to feel his way through the game and pick his spots. it'll enable him to get touches from different spots on the floor to see where he's most comfortable and effective, while encouraging ball movement for the rest of the team.
-who's saying "leave him out of the offensive flow"?
-davis being able to score inside at the college level is different from him being able to score consistently on the inside at the NBA level. the physicality in the NBA is something else. even in college davis wasnt a player who UK would just give the ball to and tell him to go to work and make a play. he played off of others offensively.

[Johnlac1]

Even the Piston have more formidable offensive players than the Bobcats. But Davis is a much better athlete than Monroe (who I like as a player), and the Bobcats are a lousy offensive team with no insdie scorer at the present. And because Irving is averaging close to 19 pts a game, that proves Davis can't average around that? I'm not saying that I expect Davis to average exactly 20 a game, I just said I think he could get 18-20 without much of a problem. Again, this is the Bobcats we're talking about. Yes, it is possible for the other younger Bobcats to improve their offense and the Bobcats get a coach who knows how to install a decent offense...that means someone other than Silas. Those players would have to step up their offense considerably. But you have in Davis a tremendous, elite athlete who can score inside and outside. On a team that needs points as desperately as the Bobcats do, I can't see them ignoring Davis's offensive potential.

[ManualRam]

being a better athlete does not make davis a better rookie scorer than monroe.
unlike davis, monroe WAS the primary option in college and had the offense run through him.

why do you think that not making davis the number option from day one equates to ignoring his offensive potential?