The Amazingly Sucky March and April John Wall thread

WizarDynasty · Post #61 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 1:37 am

now this is a better thread title just in case wall happens to surf the internet and look at the best basketball site in the world.

fishercob · Post #62 » by **fishercob** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 1:41 am

FIJI!

Post #63 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:16 am

28 points, 10 assists. TRADE HIM.

Knighthonor · Post #64 » by **Knighthonor** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:40 am

Rafael122 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
crackhed wrote:h the life of a Wizards fan, bitch and moan about not having talent on the team, we luck out and get one of the better point guards in recent memory and we already wanna ship him out after 2 years. Maybe we do deserve to have a losing team.quote
couldn't have said it better.

He hasn't proved he is one of the better PGs in recent memory

My problem is peeps are writing him off and calling him overrated after 2 seasons. And I should have worded it differently and said better point guard prospects. I was in a rush.

Not saying I disagree. But how long it take Lebron and Wade to get to superstar status?

What about Gil? He seem like the only exception.

7-Day Dray · Post #65 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:45 am

JInx!

Illuminaire · Post #66 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:57 am

Regarding star status, I think it's fair to give Wall a pass this season. He's in a ridiculously bad situation.

It seems equally fair to say that barring catastrophe, next season should be our indicator. He'll have a full off season under a new coach, a much more stable roster, and more talent to work with. The schedule will be back to normal and there will be actual practice time. At that point, we should know if he's a Westbrook (very good but flawed player, 2nd best guy on a great team) or a true superstar.

Post #67 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 3:12 am

^
Not to be a downer, but there could be a Door #3 too.

BarnabyJones · Post #68 » by **BarnabyJones** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 3:20 am

What is Wall's floor/ceiling?

Ceiling - Kevin Johnson?

Floor - ???

Post #69 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 3:36 am

^
Frank Johnson?

Mizerooskie · Post #70 » by **Mizerooskie** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 3:45 am

His basketball upside is way higher than Kevin Johnson.

His political upside? Not as high.

BarnabyJones · Post #71 » by **BarnabyJones** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 4:08 am

Mizerooskie wrote:His basketball upside is way higher than Kevin Johnson.

Yeah, now that I think about it, that's a pretty bad comparison.

Illuminaire · Post #72 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 4:22 am

montestewart wrote:^
Not to be a downer, but there could be a Door #3 too.

I think door #3 is fairly unlikely, but you're right, it's possible. I think Wall's absolute floor is a Rondo level of impact; very good in the right situation, not so great in the wrong one, with a critical flaw that prevents him from taking over games consistently. That's still a top-12 PG and a guy who can help your team win championships... just not one who can carry you to one himself.

DallasShalDune · Post #73 » by **DallasShalDune** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 4:29 am

Illuminaire wrote:
montestewart wrote:^
Not to be a downer, but there could be a Door #3 too.

I think door #3 is fairly unlikely, but you're right, it's possible. I think Wall's absolute floor is a Rondo level of impact; very good in the right situation, not so great in the wrong one, with a critical flaw that prevents him from taking over games consistently. That's still a top-12 PG and a guy who can help your team win championships... just not one who can carry you to one himself.

This is a fair criticism of his game and I think it is highly accurate.

DaRealHibachi · Post #74 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 7:16 am

April has just started... :-/ Oh well...

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Nivek · Post #75 » by **Nivek** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 1:40 pm

BarnabyJones wrote:
Mizerooskie wrote:His basketball upside is way higher than Kevin Johnson.

Yeah, now that I think about it, that's a pretty bad comparison.

If Wall makes himself into the 2nd coming of Kevin Johnson, I'd be ecstatic. KJ was a phenomenal PG at his peak.

tontoz · Post #76 » by **tontoz** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 3:52 pm

KJ averaged 18/9 for his career with a TS% of 58.5. I think i could live with that lol.

hands11 · Post #77 » by **hands11** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:09 am

Just looking over Wall complete game log.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... /john-wall

Look at the games in which we have won. We have won 7 of 12 games when he didnt shoot that much or score that much. 12 or less shots and 12 or less pts.

DaRealHibachi · Post #78 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 8:08 am

hands11 wrote:Just looking over Wall complete game log.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... /john-wall

Look at the games in which we have won. We have won 7 of 12 games when he didnt shoot that much or score that much. 12 or less shots and 12 or less pts.

Selective stats like that don't really much; Wall needs to take what the defense gives him, rather than pass an x amount of time or score an x amount of time... Bball (on the court atleast) is not a numbers game IMO...

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JonathanJoseph · Post #79 » by **JonathanJoseph** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 8:08 am

hands11 wrote:Just looking over Wall complete game log.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... /john-wall

Look at the games in which we have won. We have won 7 of 12 games when he didnt shoot that much or score that much. 12 or less shots and 12 or less pts.

I made that point a while back in another thread. I said there was a correlation between Wall having a lower usage rate and team success. I totally believe that to be the case.

Wall led the team in FGA vs NJ. A guaranteed recipe for failure.

hands11 · Post #80 » by **hands11** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 12:29 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:
hands11 wrote:Just looking over Wall complete game log.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... /john-wall

Look at the games in which we have won. We have won 7 of 12 games when he didnt shoot that much or score that much. 12 or less shots and 12 or less pts.

Selective stats like that don't really much; Wall needs to take what the defense gives him, rather than pass an x amount of time or score an x amount of time... Bball (on the court atleast) is not a numbers game IMO...

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Yes. Those were a selective stats. Every post here is selective. So lets X that part of your post out.

Did you actually look at the game log ?

I didnt really draw conclusions. To do that you would need to go game by game and see what other players did as well.

As for Wall doing in any given game what was needed by his team or what the other team gave him, well, I would love for that to be the case.