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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#41 » by BSM » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:06 pm

zol2332 wrote:
fart wrote:great game yesterday TT, I hope you prove me wrong.

Hahahaha, I can see it now....

"Tristan, you finished your playing days with 15 and 10 career averages. We had our doubts halfway through your rookie year. What changed to propel you to this success?"

"Well, bro, this fire lit inside me when some dude named fart called me out....."

25/15 for career*
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#42 » by Niko23 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:57 pm

3 solid starts by TT. And now a GB thread has been started
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Post#43 » by Rise Against » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:59 pm

I am hoping TT at least makes it to the All NBA Rookie 2nd team by the end of the season. Right now he's not even at top 10 on the rookie ladder.

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/
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Post#44 » by BSM » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:55 pm

Rise Against wrote:I am hoping TT at least makes it to the All NBA Rookie 2nd team by the end of the season. Right now he's not even at top 10 on the rookie ladder.

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

He appeared on that list couple times this year, and I'm confident he will next week too, been watching it closely whole year.
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Post#45 » by gflem » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:12 am

Rise Against wrote:I am hoping TT at least makes it to the All NBA Rookie 2nd team by the end of the season. Right now he's not even at top 10 on the rookie ladder.

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

Off Topic, but the woman in your avatar dances like Elaine from Seinfeld.
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Post#46 » by Rise Against » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:09 am

gflem wrote:Off Topic, but the woman in your avatar dances like Elaine from Seinfeld.

Not even close, do not compare the two.
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Post#47 » by Triumph36 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:44 pm

elaine benes >>>> kate upton
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#48 » by kd35sneighbor » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:24 am

This guy needs to stop starting at Center. needs to work on his offense. I don't think this guy is a good pick at all. What a waste.
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Post#49 » by Rise Against » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:31 am

Who would be better starting at C with Varejao out? Erden? Samardo? I am fine with him starting at the 5. Give the kid some time. It is still too early to judge. There is no denying that he's played much better since he got more minutes as a starter.
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Post#50 » by Dupp » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:00 am

Rise Against wrote:
gflem wrote:Off Topic, but the woman in your avatar dances like Elaine from Seinfeld.

Not even close, do not compare the two.



Actually i can see it too with one of the moves she does.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#51 » by mup » Thu Apr 5, 2012 1:33 pm

I've wavered on this pick. I started off hating it, then really tried to like it for a while (but never really did), and now I absolutely hate it again.

Dude was the 4th pick in the draft!!! Can we please hold him to that standard?

If the 4th pick in the draft is not a no-brainer first team all-rookie team selection, he is a failure. That means he has not only not passed anybody taken ahead of him, but he is behind at least TWO guys taken below him. That means we blew the pick.

If the 4th pick in the draft is not getting a TON of votes for rookie of the year, he is a failure. Yet here we are "hoping" he gets some votes for the 2d team and the thought of him even getting one vote for rookie of the year is ridiculous. What happened?

The 4th pick in the draft should be a guy you plug into the lineup from day one and leave him there for 10 years. That's not this guy.

I'm tired of hearing about how this guy is raw or about how he's a good defender/energy guy or whatever. If that's all he is, then why did we pick him at 4? I want to hear that this guy is going to be an obvious starter for us, will average 17/11, and will make multiple all-star games. I'm tired of setting our sights so low.
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Post#52 » by Nirvana » Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:10 pm

The 4th pick in the draft can only be an impact player if there are impact players to take. This was a very weak draft at the top.

Take a look at the NBA's rookie ladder...

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

I can't say that I'd want guys like Klay Thompson or Kenneth Faried over TT at this point. Sure, Klay is shooting lights out, but I think we can get a more dynamic wing player. Kawhi Leonard would be nice to have and the jury is still out on Jonas V. I don't think you can really start hating on this pick until at least the end of next season.

I get that we want to see more from our 4th pick, but we have to give him time to develop. He's playing on a pretty depleted team with no training camp or off season conditioning program. There have already been glimpses of really solid production. He's gonna be a garbage man kind of player while his offensive skills develop, but those players become undervalued when the rest of the team is garbage as well. I think next year when we have a couple new scorers on the team, Thompson will look better and have a more clearly defined role. At least we know he can rebound and block shots and hustle.

Also, look what Timmay says about TT:

Before the Cavs' 35-point loss to the Spurs on Tuesday, one future Hall of Famer had high praise for the rookie. "He's impressive," said Tim Duncan, who worked out with the Texas product in the offseason. "Obviously, his length is impressive and the ability to already use both hands around the basket is impressive. He's already light years ahead of me in that aspect. I think he's got a very bright future in this league." I think "light years ahead" is Timmy being uber-humble, but Thompson is definitely proving he has a bright future.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#53 » by Cavsfan9000 » Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:19 am

Williams and Kanter have proven anything either.
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Post#54 » by mup » Fri Apr 6, 2012 6:49 pm

Nirvana wrote:The 4th pick in the draft can only be an impact player if there are impact players to take. This was a very weak draft at the top.

Take a look at the NBA's rookie ladder...

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

I can't say that I'd want guys like Klay Thompson or Kenneth Faried over TT at this point. Sure, Klay is shooting lights out, but I think we can get a more dynamic wing player. Kawhi Leonard would be nice to have and the jury is still out on Jonas V. I don't think you can really start hating on this pick until at least the end of next season.

I get that we want to see more from our 4th pick, but we have to give him time to develop. He's playing on a pretty depleted team with no training camp or off season conditioning program. There have already been glimpses of really solid production. He's gonna be a garbage man kind of player while his offensive skills develop, but those players become undervalued when the rest of the team is garbage as well. I think next year when we have a couple new scorers on the team, Thompson will look better and have a more clearly defined role. At least we know he can rebound and block shots and hustle.

I hear you on this but regardless how weak the draft is, you have to compare the guy to his peers. The fact that he is getting no consideration for rookie of the year or even first-team all rookie is what bothers me. Guys like K. Thompson and Leonard might not be the answer at the SF spot, but right now they are better answers at that spot for their teams than T. Thompson is for us at the PF. At least for this year. The league views several guys taken below him as obviously better than him, and that is my concern. He was the last pick in the rookie/sophomore game.

But I hear you on the weak draft. But if we're not looking at this guy as being a true #4 pick because of the draft he was in, then I don't want to waste a lot of time with him. If all he's going to be is a garbage man then let's upgrade the PF spot as soon as we can and move on. I'm not saying get rid of him, but let's not consider that position solved or avoid upgrading it because of him. My two cents.

I hear you on the draft and maybe I'm being too hard on him, but I want the #4 pick to play like a #4 pick.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#55 » by Geaux_Hawks » Mon Apr 9, 2012 12:17 am

Cavsfan9000 wrote:Williams and Kanter have proven anything either.

Williams and Kanter are obviously being blocked. Heck, in the limited action Kanter sees, he still looks pretty way better than TT. Williams just landed with the wrong team.

If those 2 don't become blocked by others in front of them, coupled with JV & Motiejunas both coming over to play, TT wouldn't have even made it into the rising stars challenge.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#56 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Apr 9, 2012 1:07 pm

That is quite an assumption you are making. You know what they say about assumptions, they still looks pretty way badder.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#57 » by Nirvana » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:03 pm

Well, we have Thompson. No sense whining about it now. There's really too many things that can change in the next two years that affect whether we made the right decision. Thompson was always going to be a project of sorts, but he's already had some good games and if given time to develop I think he'll end up a solid player. Think of him more in the Serge Ibaka role than in the Lamarcus Aldridge role.

Also, I agree that the only position on our team that is without a doubt set is the PG position.
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Re: i'm not really feeling the TT pick thus far 

Post#58 » by Cavsfan9000 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:21 am

Guys like Klay Thompson, Leonard, Parsons and Faried weren't even picked in the top 10. Lots of other teams passed on them as well. That sort of thing happens every year, the ten best rookies at the end of the year are never drafted 1 through 10.

And Thompson has gotten consideration. He has been on the rookie ladder just as much as if not more often than Kanter, Biyombo, Vesely and Fredette. Pretty sure he will make the all rookie second team which for a 4th overall pick isn't really that much of a slip.

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