Kyle Lowry

[LongLiveIverson]

With Goran Dragic playing out of his mind Houston would be nuts not to extend him. Kyle Lowry could be expandable. Rockets will definately be shopping Kevin Martin this summer as well. What do you think about this deal..Marcus Thornton, Isaiah Thomas and our first for Lowry, Dalembert and their first (17range). Thornton would be an upgrade for them at 2 and they would beable to draft an impact player for a team built with role players. In Lowry were getting a pure point guard, who is a defensive terror..him an Tyreke would be amazing together on defense. IT is great but we might have to sacrafice him in the deal..in the end hes a great sparkplug but not a longterm solution. With the first we can target a guy like John Henson or defensive minded big. Pair that with Cousins, Dalembert and Hayes and the layup lines would stop.

[SacKingsPejaFan]

No way. If we're trading THAT package, we had better be getting Deron Williams in return. Lowry had a great year before he got hurt, but giving up the best shooter on a team that shoots terribly (and its leading scorer) in Marcus Thornton, in addition to our starting point guard in Isaiah Thomas (who is our second best shooter), AND our first???--no chance.

Concluding that Thomas is just a spark plug and not a long term solution after less than half of a season of him actually getting PT is something you'll have trouble convincing many Kings fans of.

Also, our first is worth more than Lowry alone. If you haven't checked the standings and our calendar, there's a good chance we finish with the third or fourth worst record in the league, putting us in striking distance of Anthony Davis.

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves with Lowry. He shoots 41%, and had 6 mediocre seasons before this one. You'd have a hard time convincing me he's even worth Thornton straight up. Why are we still undervaluing Thornton anyway? He's our second best player next to Cousins--and he makes Cousins better by spreading the floor with his shooting. If we were to target Lowry, I'd sooner cut Evans loose than Thornton.

[LongLiveIverson]

Just looking for feedback. He would be a great fit regardless. Rockets fans seem to value him extremy high. Looking back I think our first IT and salmons would be fair for Lowry an their first

[pillwenney]

There's a deal to be made there, but I don't think that's it.

[LongLiveIverson]

Yea the general idea is to spark conversation about Lowry. This team has talent, Cousins Reke Thornton. Twilliams is the perfect sf for this squad. What we need is a top notch pg to get us over the hump. A guy like Lowry is atainable. Kendall Marshall looks good on paper as a pass first guy, but he is an extreme liability on the defensive end. If he cant stay infront of ACC guards guys like Rose, Rondo, Westbrook are going to torch him night in and night out. In a league where pg is the most athletic player on the team sometimes this scares me. He also doesn't have a reliable jumpshot. Nash can get by not playing D because he is a playmaker who is also a Lights out shooter. Im a huge unc fan just feel that Marshall is overrated. IT is nice but you cant argue that Lowry isnt a better option.

[pillwenney]

Right now, I'd be more interesting in trading Tyreke for Lowry. Houston may not be interested in him, but something like...

Kings trade Tyreke for Lowry
Cavs trad #5 pick for Tyreke
Rockets trade Lowry for #5 pick

makes sense to me.

[longfellow44]

^^ i think that you are on the right track. but if tyreke is worth the 5th pick i don't think that lowry is. rockets fans have seemed interested in trading lowry and one of their picks to move up into the top 5 of the draft i would think that we could also get their later pick around 20. the kings could then use the ir first to draft Barnes. and use the late 1st on a role playing big man. the kings then only need to resign Thompson and Williams and amnesty salmons. off season accomplished.

Lowry/Thomas
Thornton/jimmer
Barnes/Williams
Thompson/whiteside
Cousins/Hayes

[pillwenney]

Eh, I don't know. Lowry is really, really damn good, and he doesn't have any major weaknesses.

[Leolovinliberal]

With Goran Dragic playing out of his mind Houston would be nuts not to extend him. Kyle Lowry could be expandable. Rockets will definately be shopping Kevin Martin this summer as well. What do you think about this deal..Marcus Thornton, Isaiah Thomas and our first for Lowry, Dalembert and their first (17range). Thornton would be an upgrade for them at 2 and they would beable to draft an impact player for a team built with role players. In Lowry were getting a pure point guard, who is a defensive terror..him an Tyreke would be amazing together on defense. IT is great but we might have to sacrafice him in the deal..in the end hes a great sparkplug but not a longterm solution. With the first we can target a guy like John Henson or defensive minded big. Pair that with Cousins, Dalembert and Hayes and the layup lines would stop.

Dragic is a UFA; there's nothing to extend

[Wolfay]

Eh, I don't know. Lowry is really, really damn good, and he doesn't have any major weaknesses.

Short, turnover prone and inconsistent jump shot aren't major weaknesses?

[deadenddude]

With Goran Dragic playing out of his mind Houston would be nuts not to extend him. Kyle Lowry could be expandable. Rockets will definately be shopping Kevin Martin this summer as well. What do you think about this deal..Marcus Thornton, Isaiah Thomas and our first for Lowry, Dalembert and their first (17range). Thornton would be an upgrade for them at 2 and they would beable to draft an impact player for a team built with role players. In Lowry were getting a pure point guard, who is a defensive terror..him an Tyreke would be amazing together on defense. IT is great but we might have to sacrafice him in the deal..in the end hes a great sparkplug but not a longterm solution. With the first we can target a guy like John Henson or defensive minded big. Pair that with Cousins, Dalembert and Hayes and the layup lines would stop.

No thanks. Isaiah Thomas is a keeper and this draft pick is probably going to be top 6. It's not a bad trade though and it probably would improve the team a little in the short term but I wouldn't give up this year's pick unless it was for an all star.

[LongLiveIverson]

Hes currently 15th in the league in turnovers per game. Rose, Irving, Wall, Paul, Dwill, Kobe and others are all ahead of him. He's the best rebounding pg in the game next to Rondo and is a lockdown defender.

Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Isaiah Thomas, 6th pick For Kyle Lowry, Dalembert, Courtney Lee and their first (15)...I think that trade is extremely realistic. With their first target a defensive specialist like Henson. This goes from a roster with one on one players, to a team built around players who all defend with the exception of Jimmer.
This lets us amnesty Garcia. We can afford to let Jason Thompson, Greene walk. In free agency target a guy like Matt Barnes or DeShawn Stevenson for another swingman off the bench.
Makes us a better team now and in the future.

C. Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside
F. John Henson/Hayes
F. T-Will/Stevenson/Honeycutt
G. Tyreke/Lee
G. Lowry/Jimmer

[Sacballer916]

Our problem is at sf. Lowry wont make us better. If we dont draft anthony davis, I'd rather do what boston did in 07. We dont need to get younger. Danny Granger and Rudy Gay are players I would go after.[youtube][/youtube]

[pillwenney]

Hes currently 15th in the league in turnovers per game. Rose, Irving, Wall, Paul, Dwill, Kobe and others are all ahead of him. He's the best rebounding pg in the game next to Rondo and is a lockdown defender.

Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Isaiah Thomas, 6th pick For Kyle Lowry, Dalembert, Courtney Lee and their first (15)...I think that trade is extremely realistic. With their first target a defensive specialist like Henson. This goes from a roster with one on one players, to a team built around players who all defend with the exception of Jimmer.
This lets us amnesty Garcia. We can afford to let Jason Thompson, Greene walk. In free agency target a guy like Matt Barnes or DeShawn Stevenson for another swingman off the bench.
Makes us a better team now and in the future.

C. Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside
F. John Henson/Hayes
F. T-Will/Stevenson/Honeycutt
G. Tyreke/Lee
G. Lowry/Jimmer

Bingo. And his outside shot is very good at this point in his career. He's maybe a little streakier than others, but I'd hardly call it a major weakness.

And his lack of height doesn't hurt his D for sure, and he doesn't really hurt his finishing from what I've seen. Probably because he's strong as hell.

[LongLiveIverson]

Whether we trade Thornton or Tyreke, a small forward whos main attribute is scoring is our last need..we have the shooters we need the role players. Twill while only 10games in has been doing great and can easily be a starter. He passes, defends perfect compliment to guys like Thornton and Tyreke. His averages if he played 34mins would be 15ppg,6reb,4assists,1.9 steals. Lowry has games where he drills 5 or more 3pointers the guy can play, defend and is a top 8pg. Lee would take over Thorntons place, shoot less and defend more.

[rpa]

Not really a huge fan of giving up our pick for Lowry. Couple arguments:

1) Lowry is already 26 and only has 2 years left on his deal before he'll be looking to get paid.

2) Given how well Dragic has played, has anyone ever considered that Lowry has looked good in large part due to the system in Houston? Look at what the system did to Darren Collison in NOH. Two years ago everyone around here had a huge boner for trying to acquire him. Now? Some Pacers fans would part with him for an early 2nd rounder (or late 1st). I think you have to start asking questions when not one, but two players look damn good on the same team, playing the same position, after being pretty much average players/good backups during the rest of their careers.

3) I have a hard time buying his improved shooting lasting longterm. Discounting his 10 game rookie season, he had 4 years in the league shooting no higher than 27% from 3pt range. Then he jumps it up to 37% in a single season? Just not buying it.

4) Trading for Lowry necessitates other trades--which is something I HATE to do. It would basically put us in the position where we have 5 guards who need to see a decent amount of game time: Evans, Thornton, Thomas, Lowry, & Jimmer. So now you have to trade 1-2 of those guys and, what's worse, other teams know this. So you're already taking a value hit. Of course, I'm of the opinion that you need to trade Evans or Thornton this summer (Hell, maybe both of them).

5) We have *FAR* bigger needs than a PG. What about a starting SF that's remotely competent? What about figuring out what kind of big man to play next to Cousins?

[pillwenney]

You forget that Houston had 2 different coaches and different systems in the last two years. Lowry was great in both of them. His outside shooting has been consistently very good this whole time, and he's not getting better shots. Many of his 3s aren't even necessarily catch and shoot. It would appear the guy just has a great work ethic.

Dragic and Lowry are both legitimately very good players. We saw it with Dragic in Phoenix as well. I understand your skepticism, but IMO, it's unfounded.

And I simply don't agree that we have bigger needs. We need a floor general badly. We need somebody that intentionally distributes specific shots to specific guys at specific times. Somebody that actually runs a team. Lowry can do that and he's a better playmaker and a much better defender than Isaiah. We have a lot of options at PG right now, but none of them are what you want from a starting PG in the future. So even though there's a logjam, we still need the actual solution at PG. Isaiah is not it, Tyreke is not it, and Jimmer is not it.

I could see the argument for a big next to Cuz being a higher priority--more specifically a defensive anchor. We obviously need that. But I don't know of any bigs like that that are decent players, young and available. Probably because they're so damn valuable. But if one is that I'm not aware of, I'd certainly look at that option too.

SF--meh. I mean we suck at SF, but the position is less important and the supply is greater. Also if we keep Tyreke and he figures his s**t out, I think he's basically fine at SF. But when you still need a starting PG, and a defensive anchor big, SF goes on the backburner pretty easily IMO.

[longfellow44]

I'm on the get lowry bandwagon. He is a very solid defensive presence and a very good floor general which is what we need the most out of our PG spot. Having Thomas off the bench at PG is fine.

According to the numbers Tyreke is actually a pretty solid SF option, I'm fine with him starting as long as we can find some more shooting off the bench at SG. I like the Idea of T williams off the bench behind Tyreke as they are realatively similar players.

[LongLiveIverson]

If we swap draft picks in a trade for Lowry we can target a defensive big next to Cousins. John Henson at #15 would be a good fit. I feel a package of Thornton, IT and our first would get the deal done for Lowry, Dalembert and their first. Marcus Morris could be a throw in to sweeten the deal as he seems to be the odd man out with Chandler Parsons great rookie year, Chase Budinger and they have 2 draft picks which many are mocking a scoring SF. I know people are going to cry not to trade Thomas but if we have a guy like Lowry logging 35-36mins a game there isn't going to be a great need for him. Lowry's defense makes it less harmful to throw Jimmer in for 15-20 mins to try and hit some 3's.

[longfellow44]

If we swap draft picks in a trade for Lowry we can target a defensive big next to Cousins. John Henson at #15 would be a good fit. I feel a package of Thornton, IT and our first would get the deal done for Lowry, Dalembert and their first. Marcus Morris could be a throw in to sweeten the deal as he seems to be the odd man out with Chandler Parsons great rookie year, Chase Budinger and they have 2 draft picks which many are mocking a scoring SF. I know people are going to cry not to trade Thomas but if we have a guy like Lowry logging 35-36mins a game there isn't going to be a great need for him. Lowry's defense makes it less harmful to throw Jimmer in for 15-20 mins to try and hit some 3's.

Honestly I think our 1st for Lowry and their 1st gets it done. There is no need for anything else to be heading out.