Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

Onlykiwirapsfan · Post #1281 » by **Onlykiwirapsfan** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:42 am

Slightly OT, but its pretty relieving that not one of our prospective alternate draft picks last year are looking at all decent this year. Bismack/Kemba/Knight/Vesely all look very mediocre so far. Obviously its too early to tell (especially with players like Bismack/Knight), but its nice nonetheless.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1282 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:43 am

Onlykiwirapsfan wrote:Slightly OT, but its pretty relieving that not one of our prospective alternate draft picks last year are looking at all decent this year. Bismack/Kemba/Knight/Vesely all look very mediocre so far. Obviously its too early to tell (especially with players like Bismack/Knight), but its nice nonetheless.

Yeah but I think everyone had it in the back of their minds that the draft would be extremely meh.

Onlykiwirapsfan · Post #1283 » by **Onlykiwirapsfan** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:03 am

If you read the draft threads before and after the draft we missed out on the next B.Wallace/Iverson/Billups/AK47

But I agree for the most part. Still a relief though

nahom1319 · Post #1284 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:22 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Onlykiwirapsfan wrote:Slightly OT, but its pretty relieving that not one of our prospective alternate draft picks last year are looking at all decent this year. Bismack/Kemba/Knight/Vesely all look very mediocre so far. Obviously its too early to tell (especially with players like Bismack/Knight), but its nice nonetheless.

Yeah but I think everyone had it in the back of their minds that the draft would be extremely meh.

Well I had Bismack as my pick and thought he would be a good role player alongside Bargnani. Sadly he isn't rebounding as well as I had hoped but its still early in his development.

God Squad · Post #1285 » by **God Squad** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:36 am

DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud 8-)

God Squad · Post #1286 » by **God Squad** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:37 am

Undefeated wrote:
CoachJReturns wrote:Sacramento better win a game or two. This 6-7 business sucks. I don't want Harrison Barnes. No offense to his fans, but he looks like another role player to me. We gotta do better than that. Davis, MKG, Robinson, Beal, and worst case Lamb... Anyone else and I'll be pissed. Drummond is the guy I've got mixed feelings about, like everyone else I suppose.

Funny how Barnes is a role player, yet MKG isn't? Not hating just saying as it is.

If anything both look to be role players.

God Squad · Post #1287 » by **God Squad** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:41 am

Live Free wrote:So if Perry Jones can play the 3 and Rivers can play the 1 what do you think it does to their stock?

Jones stock skyrockets.

fredericklove · Post #1288 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:55 am

spade57 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud

Oh dear god NO!

JamesNaismith · Post #1289 » by **JamesNaismith** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:59 am

spade57 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud

Personally I won`t be that excited (if at all) if we draft Perry Jones because he just isnt that aggressive in ANY area of his game and the problem is that he may be a tweener himself. Majority of people say he is a PF in the NBA but his rebounding and shot blocking numbers are the WORST of ALL the PF prospects. Than if you say he is a SF, well his scoring is the WORST of ALL the SF prospects. For all his talents he just lacks that heart and desire to be great....everything about him screams Lamar Odom. I wont lie that IF he proved me wrong and SUDDENLY decided to lock in and be dominant that he would be a steal but I dont find that likely and I dont think hes exceptional at anything.

Drummond on the otherhand is at WORST a good rebounder and shotblocker something every team in the NBA could use. I certainly dont feel that much happier about Drummonds lack of aggressiveness but felt 2 different things when I watched him and PJ3 play. With Jones it felt like the offence was being run through him but HE shyed away from it....whereas Drummond was uninvolved and to me seemed to lose mental attachment and focus to the game. When AD was either emotionally connected by his opponents physical play or used he seemed pretty darn good in those times.

The other thing is IF he panned out our team really could have a new generation Twin Towers (as Vals offensive skills are surprisingly better than expected) and we then have an advantage that no other competitor would have outside of maybe the Lakers. Im not the biggest fan of keeping Bargnani but evenso you think how he would like in a rotation like the Lakers and it may actually have made them that much better to have someone like him. I know that its far fetched at this point to think that they could be at that level and it is without a doubt a HUGE gamble but I believe the potential is there...as most analysts believe hence the high draft projection for Drummond despite a lackluster season.

fredericklove · Post #1290 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:02 am

luisnani wrote:
I think he'll work out better (being a ballhog) at Duke than Kentucky. Kentucky did so well this year because they shared the ball even with a plethora of talented players in a 1v1 situation. Duke isn't exactly the best for ballhogs either but Rivers wasn't terrible.

The thing is Kentucky this year had loads of scoring wings that had to be less selfish and share the ball, but next year it'll likely be Harrow and Teague (if he stays) both in the starting lineup and going to be pass-first type (occasional scoring) so the scoring loads will be all on Bazz. So its going to be a different situation compared to this year.

sunny wrote:Don't know enough about Saric. Bazz at this point would go behind Davis however it is hard to say. Keep in mind, if Drummond never reclassified he would have been talked about as the number 1 pick, so that year of college is very important to see. Wiggins would most likely be the number one pick, however its way too early to make that sort of claim with any credence.

Bazz is picking UCLA for a reason. He knows his game better than us. Regardless of that, I don't think Bazz's game would mix up with Kentucky at all as he is ball dominant and plays a pro style of game.

Thank god Drummond reclassified or else we'll be blindly excited for a long project big. How's the UCLA system? What's their playing style?

JamesNaismith · Post #1291 » by **JamesNaismith** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:11 am

fredericklove wrote:The thing is Kentucky this year had loads of scoring wings that had to be less selfish and share the ball, but next year it'll likely be Harrow and Teague (if he stays) both in the starting lineup and going to be pass-first type (occasional scoring) so the scoring loads will be all on Bazz. So its going to be a different situation compared to this year.

Not saying that it will matter that much but both Harrow and Teague are actually score-first PGs plus Kentucky has already brought in Archie Goodwin and Alex Poythress who are both among the top wing prospects.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng1SYltU5FA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOy6KzL-t0w[/youtube]

But again doubt it will mean that much because Bazz just takes over...hes a really dominant player no matter who else is on the court.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1292 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:19 am

I called most players being a bust in that draft actually now that I remember lol. My draft board for us was Val, Knight THEN Kemba. I did not want Bismack as I think he'll still be a bust. I was wrong about Shumpert, Leonard and Faried but their all role players at best.

This might sound crazy but outside of Irving, I think we got the best player in that draft.

fredericklove · Post #1293 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:31 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
fredericklove wrote:The thing is Kentucky this year had loads of scoring wings that had to be less selfish and share the ball, but next year it'll likely be Harrow and Teague (if he stays) both in the starting lineup and going to be pass-first type (occasional scoring) so the scoring loads will be all on Bazz. So its going to be a different situation compared to this year.

Not saying that it will matter that much but both Harrow and Teague are actually score-first PGs plus Kentucky has already brought in Archie Goodwin and Alex Poythress who are both among the top wing prospects.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng1SYltU5FA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOy6KzL-t0w[/youtube]

But again doubt it will mean that much because Bazz just takes over...hes a really dominant player no matter who else is on the court.

I haven't seen much of Poythress but seen Goodwin played in Hoop summit, the guy was okay but tends to do too much at times.

fredericklove · Post #1294 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:33 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:This might sound crazy but outside of Irving, I think we got the best player in that draft.

Not crazy at all. Every poster on board says so too. Even Chad Ford said it too, and you know he's the craziest one.

fredericklove · Post #1295 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:26 am

I think Beal and I share two similar things. We both born in late June, Beal's born on June 28th (on Draft day), and we both are obsessed with Keri Hilson (I stalked Beal's twitter last week). And I hope we both have the same thing in mind: we both want Beal to go to Toronto

DA_SCOUT · Post #1296 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:22 am

tdotrep2 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Explain what you see in PJ3, can't dribble, shoot of the dribble, might have range but not nba range so he isn't playing the sf. Lack of post moves, lack of hustle, might be able to play the pf but not at a high level.

- If able to play the 3, he has elite size
- actually quite fast, fastest player on Baylor
- Good face up game
- Solid post moves (I wont say lack of, I've watched A LOT of baylor games this season)
- good (13-19ft) range.
-Ohyeah he's pretty athletic too right? :lol:

Honestly, the only flaw that stands out with PJ III is his heart. I believe under a coach like casey, he can develop that heart and flare that he needs to be an outstanding player. If his face up game is improved, and he uses his quickness more on D he could be terrific. He just has all the tools to become a very good player, too much upside to ignore...like Drummond.

Take Drummond and run at 5.
Take PJIII and run at 7.

DA_SCOUT · Post #1297 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:23 am

spade57 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud

Hurry up DRAFT DAY 2012!!

fredericklove · Post #1298 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:46 am

DA_SCOUT wrote:
- actually quite fast, fastest player on Baylor
- Good face up game
- Solid post moves (I wont say lack of, I've watched A LOT of baylor games this season)

If you have watched alot of baylor games this season, you would know Pierre Jackson is the fastest player on Baylor. What does he do faceup? blow by? no. Shooting over people? No. A pullup? No. He only has that jump shot at the elbow and short corner. That's it.

And he definitely lacks post moves, he has no fakes/pivots move in the paint, he only has that back down then turn around jump hook, nothing else.

God Squad · Post #1299 » by **God Squad** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:05 am

fredericklove wrote:
spade57 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud

Oh dear god NO!

Lol I know.. But I want that superstar. The only person I'd take over pj3 at 7-8-9 would be Lamb. And even then I Only like his wing span and the ability to create somewhat. Yes Perry really hasnt proved much. But I was a fan last year. And ill ride it out until he officiakky busts. Still think he has,tools,to be great. but **** hes a lazy defender sometimes. But so are alot of prospects

God Squad · Post #1300 » by **God Squad** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:14 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
spade57 wrote:
DA_SCOUT wrote:Unlike many of the posters here..
if BC drafts Drummond or PJ III I'm super excited for the upcoming season, and I feel its a successful draft.

Me and you bud

Personally I won`t be that excited (if at all) if we draft Perry Jones because he just isnt that aggressive in ANY area of his game and the problem is that he may be a tweener himself. Majority of people say he is a PF in the NBA but his rebounding and shot blocking numbers are the WORST of ALL the PF prospects. Than if you say he is a SF, well his scoring is the WORST of ALL the SF prospects. For all his talents he just lacks that heart and desire to be great....everything about him screams Lamar Odom. I wont lie that IF he proved me wrong and SUDDENLY decided to lock in and be dominant that he would be a steal but I dont find that likely and I dont think hes exceptional at anything.

Drummond on the otherhand is at WORST a good rebounder and shotblocker something every team in the NBA could use. I certainly dont feel that much happier about Drummonds lack of aggressiveness but felt 2 different things when I watched him and PJ3 play. With Jones it felt like the offence was being run through him but HE shyed away from it....whereas Drummond was uninvolved and to me seemed to lose mental attachment and focus to the game. When AD was either emotionally connected by his opponents physical play or used he seemed pretty darn good in those times.

The other thing is IF he panned out our team really could have a new generation Twin Towers (as Vals offensive skills are surprisingly better than expected) and we then have an advantage that no other competitor would have outside of maybe the Lakers. Im not the biggest fan of keeping Bargnani but evenso you think how he would like in a rotation like the Lakers and it may actually have made them that much better to have someone like him. I know that its far fetched at this point to think that they could be at that level and it is without a doubt a HUGE gamble but I believe the potential is there...as most analysts believe hence the high draft projection for Drummond despite a lackluster season.

I agree that Perry has been very lackluster. Is never pass on drumond at 5 though. Pretty sure I take him over Barnes 9-10 times. I might get flamed for his production. But likke i said we need a supastar. I know its not easy, but you have to take risks sometimes... Unless your choosing Darko over Wade, Melo, Bosh. Oh Detroit.

If Anthony Davis goes #1 and the Raps get the # 2 pick, who gets drafted?