Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 11

[GRidge]

Did any of you watch thescore last year when they interviewed PJ3? He said he does not want to come to Toronto because he hates going through customs. I dont want another Steve Francis on our team. He is a good talent but even so, he didnt impress me that much.

That Jerk!!! Are we not insecure enough already!!!

[onions17]

I cant believe how Lamb is getting underrated

[decu21]

allow me to explain wut i said about lillard. if we at 3 i really want him..either trade down or draft him we still end up wit him while being the 3rd pick so there if u ever wonder. dont say hes out of top 10 this guy is the only legit PG in this draft. but again..BEAL is my only choice rightnow

[DA_SCOUT]

I get that Josh Smith vibe from PJ3 as well. I saw him play at Ryerson this summer when Baylor came to Toronto to play an exhibition game against Ryerson. Isn't the greatest shooter but with his size and athleticism, you could see him impact the game on the defensive game as Josh Smith has so far in his NBA career.

He's a very intriguing prospect. Probably the third highest upside after AD and Drummond. If he's situated with a coach who will let him play solely play the 3, I truly believe he will excel in the NBA the way JSmooth recently has.

I like the Josh Smith comparison, PJ III can become a really special player with a coach that lets him play the 3.

[fredericklove]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU8h6S58UGs&feature=related[/youtube]
They say he's more of NBA player than he's NCAA player, he didn't fit coach K's system, he's raw, only 19, very talented.

Shockingly these two agree with each other.

[fredericklove]

Did any of you watch thescore last year when they interviewed PJ3? He said he does not want to come to Toronto because he hates going through customs. I dont want another Steve Francis on our team. He is a good talent but even so, he didnt impress me that much.

He was joking, and the whole board went sensitive about it. But even if he begs to come to Toronto, I still do not want him, that guy is a bonifide scrub ready to bust at a higher level than any busting brothers in the league. DO.NOT.WANT!!

[CoachJReturns]

PJIII reminds me somewhat of Antoine Walker with added athleticism. Neither of them on the court ever seemed all there, but when focused they could take over games. I truly believe PJIII will be a borderline star, but not actually a star (something like a Josh Smith or Lamar Odom status wise). Personally, I've said it many times, I would not take him but that doesn't mean someone else can't get a good role player.

I get that Josh Smith vibe from PJ3 as well. I saw him play at Ryerson this summer when Baylor came to Toronto to play an exhibition game against Ryerson. Isn't the greatest shooter but with his size and athleticism, you could see him impact the game on the defensive game as Josh Smith has so far in his NBA career.

He's a very intriguing prospect. Probably the third highest upside after AD and Drummond. If he's situated with a coach who will let him play solely play the 3, I truly believe he will excel in the NBA the way JSmooth recently has.

I keep seeing Anthony Randolph when I look at him. Smith is a high motor guy and that's what seperates him from other uber athletic bigs. Jones just doesn't have his energy level and will to win. I'm not trying to say Smith is the greatest, but he's a great defender and solid offensive contributor who many agree should have been in the all star game at least once by now. He just gets snubbed. He's the most important player on that team. I don't see Smith when I look at Jones. If I did I'd be on his bandwagon for sure. I wanted Smith over Iggy the year we took Hoffa.

[fredericklove]

A top 10 at the start of each thread

Franchise potential

1. Anthony Davis - Elite defensive IQ, length and athleticism, has a lot of good building blocks offensively. Can be the best defensive player in the league and still a 3rd option or so offensively, which is an outstanding piece to build with. The anti Bosh/VC in leadership too.

Players I feel good about being tier 2 stars or better

2. Meyers Leonard - Legit 7 foot with great athleticism, can hit shots inside and outside at this point. I see him as having about the same skill level as Valanciunas, in a more athletic and thicker body, but with worse rebounding instincts

3. Jeremy Lamb - Explosiveness, fluidity, great shooting range, great ballhandling. Can be a scoring machine

Should be good players, outside chance of being star players. Can be "West/Boozer all-star"

4. Perry Jones III - Chris Bosh physically, has a guard's skillset, might not be an alpha dog but seems like a good kid reading about his history.

5. Thomas Robinson - Athletic, strong, physically talented enough to play above the rim despite size. Should give us elite rebounding combination.

6. Jared Sullinger - Has a Boozer/West type career written all over him. Power and a lower base should make him tough to handle in the league, has a phenomenal instincts game

Feel good about them being starters. Maybe being the type of players who get paid 8 to 10 million a year

7. Arnett Moultrie - Athletic, long, has a jumpshot going, good rebounding numbers in college. A good counter to Sullinger and PJIII in that he's more physically reliable than Sullinger, and more motor/rebounding/fits position reliable than PJIII. At the same time lacks their strengths

8. Bradley Beal - Should be good at almost anything - shooting, driving, decent passing, and special rebounding. However like Moultrie I wonder if he's more complete than a guy with 1 or 2 absolute meal ticket skills

9. Damian Lillard - Amazing shooting season (3P, 3PA, FT%, FTA all check out), good size and driving ability. Fits our team's needs. Score first PG and I have some concerns about a player who took this long to show up on the radar in a bad conference, but his tools check out to me

10. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: A player I like for other teams more than us because I see him as a demon in transition, like the new Richard Jefferson. Apparantley had the best transition finishing % in the NCAA, and has that speed and strength. But I don't know how invested we are in fastbreak points from this point forward.

This has got to be one of the worst posts I have ever read.

Well said by tdotrep2 Top 5 worst post ever read imo

[Onlykiwirapsfan]

It's funny that Mufasa gets so much hate for his rankings, when he seems like one of the most knowledgeable draft posters on this board. It would be pretty hilarious if Leonardd did blow up to be a superstar .

FWIW I dont watch much college ball outside of the tournament, so my knowledge is very limited, but for all those who like Lamb (and I am one of them), what differentiates Lamb from Leonard. By that I mean, Lamb is consistently ranked ~12, yet we all say lol look at his skillset/body/numbers he put up not trying, get him out of that system and he will be a star. From my limited understanding those exact arguments apply to Leonard as well, so what exactly is it that prevents him from POTENTIALLY being a star?

FWIW I voted Beal just because I think he is a lock to be at least a solid starter, with fringe allstar upside, which I am fine with. I would be equally fine with Lamb if as expected he moves up the rankings closer to draft day

[Garmfay]

Its all about Royce White baby!

[dTox]

To show you im not kidding about PJ3 not wanting to be here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPciBwU8L8

I don't think it's the city itself he has the problem with, its going through the customs he has issues with. Although Perry Jones is probably one of the last players in the lottery the Raptors would consider

[dagger]

To show you im not kidding about PJ3 not wanting to be here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPciBwU8L8

I don't think it's the city itself he has the problem with, its going through the customs he has issues with. Although Perry Jones is probably one of the last players in the lottery the Raptors would consider

The customs thing is overrated because the team doesn't stand in line like individual travellers. My concern about PJ3 - basketball issues aside - is that his mother is sick and I suspect he wants to remain as close to Texas as possible.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones’ 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition — she may need a transplant — 90 minutes away near Dallas.

I really don't think he wants to be far from her.

[Marlo Stanfield]

To show you im not kidding about PJ3 not wanting to be here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPciBwU8L8

I don't think it's the city itself he has the problem with, its going through the customs he has issues with. Although Perry Jones is probably one of the last players in the lottery the Raptors would consider

The customs thing is overrated because the team doesn't stand in line like individual travellers. My concern about PJ3 - basketball issues aside - is that his mother is sick and I suspect he wants to remain as close to Texas as possible.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones’ 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition — she may need a transplant — 90 minutes away near Dallas.

I really don't think he wants to be far from her.

This has always been the major problem with PJIII aside from his lazy attitude. Certain people on here just can't get the concept of a son wanting to be near his sick mother through their thick skulls.

[ballocks]

To show you im not kidding about PJ3 not wanting to be here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPciBwU8L8

I don't think it's the city itself he has the problem with, its going through the customs he has issues with. Although Perry Jones is probably one of the last players in the lottery the Raptors would consider

The customs thing is overrated because the team doesn't stand in line like individual travellers. My concern about PJ3 - basketball issues aside - is that his mother is sick and I suspect he wants to remain as close to Texas as possible.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones’ 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition — she may need a transplant — 90 minutes away near Dallas.

I really don't think he wants to be far from her.

This is interesting. First of all, we need to kill the idea that going through Customs is a deal-breaker for PJ3. We should have killed that last year.

His mom being sick is something I heard about but didn't fully understand. I'd want to be closer to home myself but I wonder if his position has changed now that he's turning professional. A lot of NBA players have ill family members back home- some halfway around the world.

If we have any interest in PJ3, though, I wouldn't discount the importance of our secret weapon: Brady Heslip- and not just in terms of diffusing ignorant misconceptions about Toronto, but more in terms of giving us a first hand character reference and helping to diffuse ignorant misconceptions about Perry.

peace

[fredericklove]

It's okay to be a mama's boy, but if its the concept because he wants to stay closer to his sick mom, then don't even bother entering the NBA, you'll have to be professional about it, like Demar's situation, his mom is sick too, but he didn't complain one bit about living far away from his mom (maybe he did in private but who knows). If you're entering the NBA, you're going to expect to live far away from families or the possibility of getting traded to another team. So PJ3, deal with it. You don't make millions of dollars for nothing, there's always going to be sacrifices.

[dTox]

To show you im not kidding about PJ3 not wanting to be here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPciBwU8L8

I don't think it's the city itself he has the problem with, its going through the customs he has issues with. Although Perry Jones is probably one of the last players in the lottery the Raptors would consider

The customs thing is overrated because the team doesn't stand in line like individual travellers. My concern about PJ3 - basketball issues aside - is that his mother is sick and I suspect he wants to remain as close to Texas as possible.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones’ 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition — she may need a transplant — 90 minutes away near Dallas.

I really don't think he wants to be far from her.

Wow I really didn't know about that, certainly adds a new perspective to his situation. Regardless though, basketball wise he would be a bad fit with the Raps, especially since he wouldn't even be the BPA in our range

[tdotrep2]

Any one who **** on barnes for his play at the sf saying he doesn't have the tools needed, should not in their right mind want PJ3 near this team. Im not much of a barnes supporter but he has shown things that can contribute to a team at the next level, especially with the floor opened up. PJ3 has shown non of that, you could be the greatest athlete in the world but if you have limited basketball skills like jones, it's very hard to be productive. Add in the fact that he has no heart (don't bring up this mom issue look at T. Rob) than it'll be that much more difficult for him to be productive.

That is why I don't understand when people say he is one of the most talented prospects, he is by no means talented, just physically gifted. If you are that enamored by physical gifts draft drummond who is at the very least a big body who defends.

[dTox]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-puts- ... nHK0s5nYcB

WACO, Texas (AP) The NCAA put Baylor on three years of probation Wednesday after an investigation turned up hundreds of impermissible telephone calls and text messages sent to prep recruits by coaches and assistants on the basketball teams.

I can definitely see Qmiller declaring now

[Hassassin]

Did any of you watch thescore last year when they interviewed PJ3? He said he does not want to come to Toronto because he hates going through customs. I dont want another Steve Francis on our team. He is a good talent but even so, he didnt impress me that much.

He was joking, and the whole board went sensitive about it. But even if he begs to come to Toronto, I still do not want him, that guy is a bonifide scrub ready to bust at a higher level than any busting brothers in the league. DO.NOT.WANT!!

Perry_Jones1 Perry Jones III
@nba_hassassin I love the city, def like the raptors.. But customs was a Lil rude to me .. That's all lol

Perry_Jones1 Perry Jones III
Toronto was one of the greatest cities I've ever been too .. Had too much fun with my team

Link

[fredericklove]

Its getting crazy up in Baylor. Qmiller, get your butt in the draft now!