Kanter's Playing Time (page 32 bottom)

[DeadlyTreeStump]

I'm as annoyed as everyone else, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the ethnocentric psychological generalization.

This.

I hope finnegan is trolling, too. That's a LOT of superficial generalizations about a whole nation (or a few whole nations) to base on the crap that's being spewed out by three or four angry teenage sports fans.

Religious sects, poverty and individualism? Really?

[jazzfan1971]

If there is one thread I don't like in the Jazz forum it's this one.

Kanter will have his day. Don't anyone fret. It may not be for a couple of years, maybe sooner if he earns it, but, he'll have his day.

So, chill out. Let him learn the NBA game at a pace the coaches are comfortable with. The coaches probably know better than you and I what he's capable and ready for. They get to see him in practice, we don't.

[Aether46]

Last time Kanter played more than 15 mins it was the Lakers game and he did good in that game, after that he got consistent minutes like 4 mins, 7 mins, 10 mins, so what do you expect him to do in 4 mins or in 7 ? score 15 points and get 10 rebounds ? Favors going 0 / 13 and still gets 20 - 30 mins the next game while Kanter plays good and his minutes goes down, now blame me for being a fanboy or something but this is the truth, i dont believe players can develop on the bench like some ppl on this board

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[phrizzo]

Last time Kanter played more than 15 mins it was the Lakers game and he did good in that game, after that he got consistent minutes like 4 mins, 7 mins, 10 mins, so what do you expect him to do in 4 mins or in 7 ? score 15 points and get 10 rebounds ? Favors going 0 / 13 and still gets 20 - 30 mins the next game while Kanter plays good and his minutes goes down, now blame me for being a fanboy or something but this is the truth, i dont believe players can develop on the bench like some ppl on this board

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Kanter has a lot of lapses on the court. He turns the ball over way too much in the post, he's a bad passer, and he is still learning how to be effective defensively. Favors is just better and should probably be starting. Even when he shot 0-13, his defense and rebounding helped us out immensely. It's not just about numbers.

Basically Favors is taking Kanter's minutes. Favors is taking EVERYONE'S minutes. Paul Millsap is playing a lot of small forward now, although it took some timely injuries for Ty Corbin to start using that lineup.

[ack]

Please watch the Lakers game again. Watch the kid carefully. He has definetly something special. Look at his foot-work. Look at his post moves. He went to the basket over BYNUM everytime he got the ball. He is not a regular big man. He is really special.

A lot of his footwork is a result of working with Al Jefferson, and he is making major improvements. I'd like to see him on the court a bit more, but at times he can be a liability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZtUvAhzuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_VnSvBzRkA

He uses same moves. The moves that he used in eurobasket and use in nba are same. He didnt learn anything from Al. He lacks speed, post skills, experience, confidence etc. He is raw. But giving 10 min is joke?

And the guy who wants to win games and talks about win loss. Is Utah gonna be champion? Why do you care about win-loss? Is win-loss thing more important than rook's development? Cya

[phrizzo]

Please watch the Lakers game again. Watch the kid carefully. He has definetly something special. Look at his foot-work. Look at his post moves. He went to the basket over BYNUM everytime he got the ball. He is not a regular big man. He is really special.

A lot of his footwork is a result of working with Al Jefferson, and he is making major improvements. I'd like to see him on the court a bit more, but at times he can be a liability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZtUvAhzuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_VnSvBzRkA

He uses same moves. The moves that he used in eurobasket and use in nba are same. He didnt learn anything from Al. He lacks speed, post skills, experience, confidence etc. He is raw. But giving 10 min is joke?

And the guy who wants to win games and talks about win loss. Is Utah gonna be champion? Why do you care about win-loss? Is win-loss thing more important than rook's development? Cya

Hey man I get where you're coming from. I also want to breed a losing culture where our young players develop long term bad habits. I think all Jazz fans want that.

[Mefisto]

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[finnegan]

Is win-loss thing more important than rook's development?

Absolutely, if your team is close to making the playoffs.

When Kanter finally develops and is a starter, should we take away his playing time and give it to the next rookie, and not even try to make the playoffs so that next rookie can develop?

[leventuysal]

Don't use the word "people" where you should be using "me". Don't think these reactions are due to you being Turkish, they're just due to you being you ?

Beauty.

[leventuysal]

Is win-loss thing more important than rook's development?

Win > Loss:

Bigger fanbase
More tickets
More merchandise
More TV coverage
MORE MONEY

->

Talent attraction
Better roster
Better coach

->

Win >>>>> Loss

->

Ring

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[ack]

Is win-loss thing more important than rook's development?

Win > Loss:

Bigger fanbase
More tickets
More merchandise
More TV coverage
MORE MONEY

->

Talent attraction
Better roster
Better coach

->

Win >>>>> Loss

->

Ring

->

Return to top

Do you believe what you wrote?

And finnegan If the new player had better skills, yes i would give the damn minutes and let enes go somewhere else.

Think about this; You have Hedo. And you have selected player like Pippen but the boy lacks experience and confidence. What would you do? Trying to get 8. spot now or better spots in future

[phrizzo]

And finnegan If the new player had better skills, yes i would give the damn minutes and let enes go somewhere else.

Think about this; You have Hedo. And you have selected player like Pippen but the boy lacks experience and confidence. What would you do? Trying to get 8. spot now or better spots in future

You get to the playoffs. And you sure as hell don't trade away Pippen so he can make another team better.

[finnegan]

And finnegan If the new player had better skills, yes i would give the damn minutes...

Enes does not currently have better skills that Jefferson, Milsap, nor Favors. The problem is that Enes cannot not reliably and consistently score in the NBA. Enes is a master at rebounding, but the others have much better all around games.

Think about this; You have Hedo. And you have selected player like Pippen but the boy lacks experience and confidence. What would you do?

The best way to build Kanters confidence is not to throw a rookie to the wolves, and let them play starters minutes, when they are clearly struggling offensively. The best way is to let the game come to them, and let the confidence occur naturally. Look at Favors, everyone knew he was a project and the Jazz's patience is starting to payoff. Same thing will happen with Kanter.

Trying to get 8. spot now or better spots in future

Both. And the Jazz are doing it correctly by playing their best players now and developing their younger players for the future.

Ack please answer the questions that I posted earlier. Why is it so critical that Kanter play massive amount of minutes as a rookie? What is the benefit to Kanter or to the team? You seem to believe that substantial playing time will give Kanter a massive boost in confidence. That is just not the way it works!

[Hoops Addict]

And finnegan If the new player had better skills, yes i would give the damn minutes and let enes go somewhere else.

And how would you let Ennes go? Would you release him.

A GM that traded a young talent like Ennes would be fired.......bad idea. We could not get equal trade value anyways. Maybe we could get Curry and his glass ankles, but it does not matter because THE JAZZ WILL NOT TRADE KANTER.

The Jazz will laugh at any team that makes a weak, sorry offer for him.

If the Jazz get eliminatedn from the playoffs we will let Kanter play 35-40 minutes a game and let him shoot 20 times.

He will improve this summmer.....and earn more playing time when he gets a little bit better.

[Mefisto]

LOL. The thing is that no team in the League wants him, even for free.

[finnegan]

LOL. The thing is that no team in the League wants him, even for free.

Uh oh! Now we have the warring factions -- the Kanter Zealots and the Kanter Haters.

Oh well. At least the haters are a little more chill.

[Aether46]

LOL. The thing is that no team in the League wants him, even for free.

Uh oh! Now we have the warring factions -- the Kanter Zealots and the Kanter Haters.

Oh well. At least the haters are a little more chill.

Hes just a Lithuanian troll, trolling every thread about kanter bcuz of the Jonas vs Kanter thingy going on

[ack]

Hey Lithuanian, even Donatas is better than Jonas

[Hoops Addict]

LOL. The thing is that no team in the League wants him, even for free.

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Hes just a Lithuanian troll, trolling every thread about kanter bcuz of the Jonas vs Kanter thingy going on

oh, I was wondering about the Kanter-hate. No team want's him for free? Nobody could be that dumb, it is just nationalistic jealousy.

Kanter is strong.....imagine how big he will get with wieght lifting and his work ethic.

[ack]

oh, I was wondering about the Kanter-hate. No team want's him for free? Nobody could be that dumb, it is just nationalistic jealousy.

Kanter is strong.....imagine how big he will get with wieght lifting and his work ethic.

I think he mustnt lift weight. You know he is extremely slow now. Imagine how he will be after that