Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread III

[UcanUwill]

ROY is usually given to guys who produce on the offensive end, and put up sexy numbers. Although, with this year's crop, and the focus being on Davis coming in, I can see some of his defensive abilities being taken into account, and for that to rub off on how people look at Jonas.

I dont think ROY is about sexy numbers. Its just that numbers tells a lot, since rookies are not that much of intangible contributors.

But if the guy contributes, besides putting flashy numbers, he will be noticed. For example Rubio this year. His numbers were inferior for sure, but his overall maturity and contribution on both ends led a lot people to think he is ROY.

[sisibilio]

Yeah, I think Pau is a much more likely model for Jonas' production as a young player than someone like Biedrins or Noah. He's got an offensive arsenal and he utilizes his full length to score at an extremely high rate. He probably isn't quite as refined as Pau coming in but he's not all that far off. I think he's a better rebounder, he's bigger, and he's got a better power game. Now, his minutes will be limited to make sure he doesn't break down after 24 months or so of continuous basketball and a grueling Casey training camp but his pace adjusted offensive numbers figure to be huge, just as they are with Rytas.

Agree, but Jonas actually has a more polished low post game that Gasol had when he arrived to Memphis, who was basically a face up forward his first couple years in the league.
Pau spent his days in Barcelona shifting from SF to PF although the late part of the season when he flourished he was a full time PF.

[Los Manos]

For any of those concerned about JV struggling with the grind of the NBA season or needing to be careful with his minutes for fear of his body breaking down - Lietuvos Rytas have already played over 60 games so far this season.

Even if Lithuania make the Olympic final, JV will be able to rest from August 13th until training camp opens in October so there is little fear that he will be at any greater physical risk than any other rookie in the NBA. Let's hope he makes it through the summer injury free because if he does he's actually considerably more accustomed to the NBA grind than any other rookie who played in the NCAA.

[raptor21_85]

I was saying he will be in the conversation for ROY, like Davis, MKG... come on, even the NBA is giving him all this hype with the Jonas Valanciunas story.. IK he has to adapt to the NBA, but hes willing to work hard on it.. is it crazy to think about it?

[Listas]

At times he looks great, you really expect him to contribute right away. But games against Zalgiris were kinda like a dream killer. After all, we know the competition is not there and motivated Javtokas is the closest thing to a good NBA defensive center, and he locked Jonas for good, 2 times already this season.
So yeah, if you keep hopes that high, you will probably be disappointed.

I'm sorry, I just can't let this one slide. So basically going up against guys like Gasol brothers, Ibaka, Kaman, Noah, Krstic, Kirilenko during the summer, and putting up respectable numbers against all of them doesn't matter because he had one bad game, while playing for a team that doesn't even use his biggest strenght.

[UcanUwill]

Course it matters, he is proven, and it was talked about number of times already. Yet still, it shows that well scouted, solid D can shut him down and he just does not look ROY material.

[God Squad]

Seeing how garbage Bosh is playing in Miami I actually believe we got the better deal in the Jonas for Bosh trade

I wouldn't give Colangelo too much credit here, considering he was the one who traded away our first rounder for Shawn Marion a few seasons ago.

Don't remind me

[raptor21_85]

Big V talkin about Eurocup Finals

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq3vhx ... ytas_sport

[God Squad]

ROY is usually given to guys who produce on the offensive end, and put up sexy numbers. Although, with this year's crop, and the focus being on Davis coming in, I can see some of his defensive abilities being taken into account, and for that to rub off on how people look at Jonas.

I dont think ROY is about sexy numbers. Its just that numbers tells a lot, since rookies are not that much of intangible contributors.

But if the guy contributes, besides putting flashy numbers, he will be noticed. For example Rubio this year. His numbers were inferior for sure, but his overall maturity and contribution on both ends led a lot people to think he is ROY.

Your underrating Rubio. He was the final block that brought Minnesota together. Their a few pieces off from a really contending but their close.

[Listas]

Course it matters, he is proven, and it was talked about number of times already. Yet still, it shows that well scouted, solid D can shut him down and he just does not look ROY material.

So, if the fact that well scouted, solid D can shut him down, makes him ''not ROY material'', does that mean that other ROY candidates will have no problems against good D ?




Valanciunas takes center stage
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/l ... /arti.html

[UcanUwill]

I am a huge Rubio fan, and I believe he was arguably the most valuable player on that team. Definitely not underrating him, just saying, his numbers does not show his real importance.

And course everyone has problems against solid D, but I just dont see Jonas as a ROY player. And I am probably number 1 Jonas fan there is, and I said that, no need to be hypocritical. He is not that dominant, I dont think his floor is ROY, and he is team oriented player, team oriented player in Toronto by the way.

[Darknemo2000]

Jonas isnt selfish enough to become a ROY. One needs that just as well. Jonas is a team player putting his individual performance behind.

If he sees Bargnani in better position he will pass, on the other hand if Bargs sees Jonas in better position he is still likely to take a shot. Raptors doesnt play team basketball al thatmuch. Having arther individuel player as Bayless as secnd PG doesnt help. Just like trigger happy Bargs, DD and Kleiza.

Well Kleiza at least in Lihuanian NT played plenty of team basketball so its not like he won't adjust the game if needed. On the other hand Bargs was always trigger happy be it his NT or with Raps. He likes to shoot, and doesnt like passing much.

DD could potentially be a good team player, but so far - he really isnt.

[raptor21_85]

Jonas isnt selfish enough to become a ROY. One needs that just as well. Jonas is a team player putting his individual performance behind.

If he sees Bargnani in better position he will pass, on the other hand if Bargs sees Jonas in better position he is still likely to take a shot. Raptors doesnt play team basketball al thatmuch. Having arther individuel player as Bayless as secnd PG doesnt help. Just like trigger happy Bargs, DD and Kleiza.

Well Kleiza at least in Lihuanian NT played plenty of team basketball so its not like he won't adjust the game if needed. On the other hand Bargs was always trigger happy be it his NT or with Raps. He likes to shoot, and doesnt like passing much.

DD could potentially be a good team player, but so far - he really isnt.

you got to be kidding me.. Bargs does pass the damn ball, its his teammates cant make the shots.. I can see Bargs assist Jonas if hes in a good position.. dont know why you say Bargs is selfish

[Raptor_Claw]

They also say it will be a tough game, but at the end of the day Valencia is the favourite to reach the finals of Eurocup (because of budget and talent)

What talent do they have in mind? Talanted people who are going to NBA or dudes who didn't manage to go there or stay there?

So only NBA players have talent?

[Darknemo2000]

you got to be kidding me.. Bargs does pass the damn ball, its his teammates cant make the shots.. I can see Bargs assist Jonas if hes in a good position.. dont know why you say Bargs is selfish

Thats the impression I had watching his games. He likes to shoot quite a bit.

There are/were more or less 5 rather trigger happy guys who always look to shoot first and pass as a distant second or third. Thats DD, Kleiza, Bargs, Barbosa and Bayless. Some have it better some have it worse.

Bargs isnt a bad shooter actually, but he isnt all that great considering his position. Poeple like to complain about Beasely for being trigger happy but his stats compared to Bargs are pretty much identical.

Bargs did pass to Bosh, so maybe he will have the same thing going with Val, however on the current raptor team he doesnt look at others much.

Thats why Gallo had it so tough in italian NT as most of the shots were soaked by Bargs and Bellineli both of whom shot even from the bad situation rather than pass it up (though to his credit Bargs did pass it bit more than Beli did but thats not saying much really).

[RPzB]

They also say it will be a tough game, but at the end of the day Valencia is the favourite to reach the finals of Eurocup (because of budget and talent)

What talent do they have in mind? Talanted people who are going to NBA or dudes who didn't manage to go there or stay there?

So only NBA players have talent?

No, but NBA attracts biggest talent. I guess we can agree on that, no?

[xprt]

1 hour left till eurocup final four rytas game

[Darknemo2000]

Logic tells me that theres no way Rytas will win (big difference in budget and players as Velencia has much more depth), but heart wants them to win still.

[nelabai]

Logic tells me that theres no way Rytas will win (big difference in budget and players as Velencia has much more depth), but heart wants them to win still.

I don't feel that way. Individually, in my opinion, Rytas is a better team. We have Jonas and also Roberts, Rice, who I believe could be both locking some minutes in NBA. While best player for Valencia is Nando De Colo, who is just a spot up shooter and can't do anything else on the court.

So i think, team effort will determine who advances to the final.

[lothy]

Broadcast has already started. Sike.tv link shows teams warming up.
http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live- ... video.html