Why Grant Hill Doesn't Fit

[NashtyNas]

I would rather have Hill starting at SF than Dudley to be honest. At least Grant can play elite defense.

Its not Elite, just the best we have on the team.

You dont call someone an Elite Mathematician just because they are at the top of their class at a Down Syndrome School.

I understand your point, but that was a TERRIBLE analogy. I don't think you can make a case for 20 other starting wings that are better than Grant defensively, even at this point in his career.

I can come up with the obvious ones (LeBron, Iggy, Deng, Tony Allen, Shawn Marion, Paul George, Rondo, Westbrook, Afflalo) and then the others you can make a case for are Brewer and Sefelosha, and I'd still take him over them simply because he's going to be cheap and he's a much better and versatile offensive player.

SO as others have stated, Grant is the least of our worries if we do re-sign him.

[Ryu]

SO as others have stated, Grant is the least of our worries if we do re-sign him.

Agreed. In my book, Grant Hill is top10 perimeter defender, regardless of his age.

And we on here sometimes forget how we are privileged to watch this Hall of famer every night. I certainly am.

[Wannabe MEP]

In last year's playoffs, these two units absolutely crushed everybody:
Kidd-Terry-Marion-Dirk-Tyson -- Off Rtg: 125.57, Def Rtg: 90.70, Overall: +34.87
Kidd-Terry-Peja-Dirk-Tyson -- Off Rtg: 135.71, Def Rtg: 108.20, Overall: +27.52

Marion>>>>>>Peja on defense
Peja>>>>>>>Marion on offense

What would happen if you inserted a Peja-Marion hybrid in there: an athletic, defensive stud who can get to the rim and knock down threes?? That would be possibly the single greatest unit to ever play in the NBA.

Now think about this:
Terry ~ Nash
Kidd ~ Dudley
Marion/Peja ~ Gerald Wallace
Dirk ~ Frye
Chandler ~ Gortat

(sure, we lose the Dirk-Frye battle big-time, but we win Nash-Terry by just as much, and we win by hybriding Marion/Peja into Gerald Wallace. Their go-to plays were a Terry-Chandler pick-and-roll and a Terry-Dirk-Chandler staggered on-ball, both of which I think we can run at least as effectively as they did. In those plays, Dirk is a simple stretch-4.)

But the other beautiful thing about that core group is that we would have so much flexibility. It's easy to mix and match and go small with Wallace at the 4, or sit either Dudley or Wallace for a random shooting guard so that one of them can get run with the bench. Insert Markieff for Frye and Run Fry at the five with the 2nd unit. So many options.

[GrantHill]

Wallace is a nice player but I don't him on this team. He declined over the last seasons, he'll be 30 years old and if he opts our he'll look for a long term deal. He'll get a big contract since he's one of the best SF available. I don't want a 34-year old Gerald Wallace with a big deal on a rebuilding team. Besides that, Wallace is a terrible shooter.

Our SF rotation is pretty good with Hill-Dudley-Childress. We should worry about a new SG and PF this off season. Wallace won't make us a contender.

[NashtyNas]

In last year's playoffs, these two units absolutely crushed everybody:
Kidd-Terry-Marion-Dirk-Tyson -- Off Rtg: 125.57, Def Rtg: 90.70, Overall: +34.87
Kidd-Terry-Peja-Dirk-Tyson -- Off Rtg: 135.71, Def Rtg: 108.20, Overall: +27.52

Marion>>>>>>Peja on defense
Peja>>>>>>>Marion on offense

What would happen if you inserted a Peja-Marion hybrid in there: an athletic, defensive stud who can get to the rim and knock down threes?? That would be possibly the single greatest unit to ever play in the NBA.

Now think about this:
Terry ~ Nash
Kidd ~ Dudley
Marion/Peja ~ Gerald Wallace
Dirk ~ Frye
Chandler ~ Gortat

(sure, we lose the Dirk-Frye battle big-time, but we win Nash-Terry by just as much, and we win by hybriding Marion/Peja into Gerald Wallace. Their go-to plays were a Terry-Chandler pick-and-roll and a Terry-Dirk-Chandler staggered on-ball, both of which I think we can run at least as effectively as they did. In those plays, Dirk is a simple stretch-4.)

But the other beautiful thing about that core group is that we would have so much flexibility. It's easy to mix and match and go small with Wallace at the 4, or sit either Dudley or Wallace for a random shooting guard so that one of them can get run with the bench. Insert Markieff for Frye and Run Fry at the five with the 2nd unit. So many options.

Honestly, just stop. Your dreaming, I get it, you want the Suns to do well, but Gerald Wallace is NOT the answer. What we need is a GO TO scorer, possibly on the inside, and Gerald Wallace is neither. He's a great complimentary player, but I think the Suns are better off going the veteran route if they plan to re-sign Nash. Wallace is definitely a vet, but he doesn't bring what we need in terms of inside scoring, or a finisher.

Garnett and Allen, if they are available and willing to come here, would be the optimal pickups as has been said for months now. Both have looked great now that they're healthy, and our training staff can definitely help them stay healthier than any other can (do I need to explain any further?).

This off-season, we look to deal Chill + $3mil for capspace + 2nd or amnesty him. Buy out Warick. Re-sign Nash, Hill, and Brown. Add Garnett, Allen, and a 3rd string center (Gray?).

Nash/Telfair/Brown
Allen/Brown/Dudley
Hill/Dudley/Morris
Garnett/Morris/Frye
Gortat/Frye/Gray

There's a nice bunch of youth mixed in, and I haven't even added our pick to that depth chart because it's probably going to suck much as all our other picks (minus Morris) in the last 10 years.

[bwgood77]

Nash/Telfair/Brown
Allen/Brown/Dudley
Hill/Dudley/Morris
Garnett/Morris/Frye
Gortat/Frye/Gray

I wonder if that would be the first starting lineup in history with four of the starters being drafted at least 16 years earlier.

I think Garnett is REALLY on his last legs. WE talk about Nash and Hill being old. But KG just doesn't have much left. He used to be my favorite player in the league, and I wouldn't mind that lineup, but I just don't think it would work well with our offensive system. Sure, it is better defensively, but that floor spacing is CRUCIAL to what we do.

We really need three guys who can hit the 3 (other than Nash) and a pick and roll finisher. If we can't get Gordon, I think perhaps we should go after Allen (in the scenario Nash stays) and start Dudley at the 3, Frye and Morris can battle for 4 and Gortat.

And use the rest of our cap space on upgrading our bench.

[GrantHill]

Allen would never sign with us unless we also get Garnett. I don't see any problems with spacing and Garnett at the 4. He hits these long two's pretty well and can even step out and hit a three sometimes.

Garnett is playing great basketball right now. I think he can at least play at this level for one more season (two with help of Aaron Nelson).