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Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League

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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#101 » by iboxlefty » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:40 pm

HIF wrote:Lester Hudson or Jeremy Lin.

Of course you would have.

Nah Not Lin. Always felt we need a backup for chalmers. I also read Ira Windermans blog alot and he always says it, so when chalmers got injured and we Lost badly to the Magic I really saw the need.

I wanted us to get Billups badly, clippers took that away...

But point guard and more so Center are my biggest concern

Always look at D league stats leaders and check those guys on youtube. I wouldn't think twice to give one or two of them a chance esp In place of Curry
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#102 » by Respect My Mind » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:38 am

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Cole doesn't have it? Cole doesn't even get a chance, he's passing the ball to Lebron - by design. Cole doesn't even run pick and roll, like a real pick and roll, like Jeremy Lin does. Guess what he does...he spots up, by design.

The organization doesn't know what to do with anybody that can do no more than shoot a jumpshot. Mario Chalmers was fine before they started messing with him. Now he's Derek Fisher.

And Chalmers has a nice floater and can get into the lane.

Michael Beasley got a few elbow isos and a few jab steps, other than that, he was a better shooting Haslem.


The Heat got a team full of jumpshooters by design. They want players to be able to shoot jumpshots and spot up because they don't want nobody taking the ball out of Lebron and Wade's hand.

Because Spo and Co. doesn't know how to make a real offense, it's that simple.


Cole cant even crack a bench rotation full of scrubs, and you defend him? He's not some beast of a player that is being misused by Spo, he is a scrub. Jordan Crawford could at least give you some reliable offense while LeWade rest. Bron Playing 47 minutes against Chicago because Cole is terrible.

And I don't know why its so hard for you to grasp what I mean by skill set. You said "Chalmers has a nice floater and can get into the lane". Have you gone mad? If you think that, then C.J. Watson is Tony Parker in comparison. Just because a player is able to do something once in a while when he has a mismatch, the defender has taken a bad angle or is trailing a switch, doesn't mean it is part of his skill set. Chalmers can barley dribble and Cole is certified bum sauce
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#103 » by EscapoTHB » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:46 pm

CablexDeadpool wrote:
Respect My Mind wrote:
CablexDeadpool wrote:Why would the Wizards entertain the idea when they have John Wall and just gave away Nick Young and need a shot creator at SG...I wouldn't trade Crawford for Cole either.


And yeah, the burden is on LeWade by design, it's not because Spo and Riley can't, it's because they don't want to.


And why you can't naming guys that aren't even a rookie and even in the same situation.

Cole is on a team that defers to two best players in the league because the coaching staff isn't even offensively capable of implementing an offense that isn't LeWade dependent and doesn't want to.

The team is full of spot up shooters and bangers...what do you expect?

Either it's gonna be transition offense, posting or cutting LeWade and everyone stand in the corner.

George Hill, Jordan Crawford and everyone else you named, wouldn't be doing **** besides shooting spot up 3s.

Like seriously is ineffiecent Jordan Crawford gonna be taking 14.5 shots a game on the Heat?

And George Hill was trash his rookie year, Jordan Crawford was trash, Isaiah Thomas is playing on a crappy Kings team, Marcus Thornton was always a scorer and never played on a championship contender.


The Burden isn't on LeWade by design, stop lying to yourself. Everyone else on the team is a spot up shooter/scapper because that's what thier skill set provides, they literally can't be bothered to do anything else. Why do you think Riley even drafted Cole? Why do you think Riley called JR Smith's agent while he was in China?

Why are you trying to pretend the Heat are the Lebron Cavs? We all watch the games and we all can see that the Heat would like to play as little hero ball as possible. But they have to because Cole's cieling is beneath Arron Afflalo's floor.


Lol, you really think that Spo would even let anybody else do anything with the ball. It is by design, what did Spo have Chris Bosh doing...spot up jumpers what do Chris Bosh still do...spot up jumpers

Why the Heat get Shane Battier...spot up jumpers

Mario Chalmers...spot up jumpers

Mike Miller...spot up jumpers

It is by design, you gotta be out your mind if you think for one second that the Heat will ever ever ever let someone else handle the ball. Even when Lebron and Bosh wasn't here

What did Spo have Mike Beasley doing...spot up jumpers

What did Dorrell Wright do...spot up jumpers

Haslem...spot up jumpers

The Heat organization is offensively challenged.

The Heat drafted Marcus Thornton and traded him to the damn Hornets

Why you think nobody who if offensively competent would want to play for the Heat...because the organization isn't offense friendly.



When you have Wade, and Lebron--why would you want any other player on the team doing anything but spot up jumpers to space the floor? Wade and Lebron are the two best slashers in the game. Dude's just need to make their wide open spot up jumpers and it will be kosher.

It's sort of funny to post this in a Norris Cole thread because he's probably the only guy in the rotation this year besides Mike Miller who will attack the basket.
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#104 » by EscapoTHB » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Respect My Mind wrote:
CablexDeadpool wrote:
Cole doesn't have it? Cole doesn't even get a chance, he's passing the ball to Lebron - by design. Cole doesn't even run pick and roll, like a real pick and roll, like Jeremy Lin does. Guess what he does...he spots up, by design.

The organization doesn't know what to do with anybody that can do no more than shoot a jumpshot. Mario Chalmers was fine before they started messing with him. Now he's Derek Fisher.

And Chalmers has a nice floater and can get into the lane.

Michael Beasley got a few elbow isos and a few jab steps, other than that, he was a better shooting Haslem.


The Heat got a team full of jumpshooters by design. They want players to be able to shoot jumpshots and spot up because they don't want nobody taking the ball out of Lebron and Wade's hand.

Because Spo and Co. doesn't know how to make a real offense, it's that simple.


Cole cant even crack a bench rotation full of scrubs, and you defend him?


I'm pretty sure he did crack the rotation. He was our backup PG for most of the season, or don't you watch Heat games?
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#105 » by Respect My Mind » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:07 pm

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I'm pretty sure he did crack the rotation. He was our backup PG for most of the season, or don't you watch Heat games?


He was the back up PG by Default and the back up to a reserve caliber player in Chalmers. Meaning there is litterally no alternative, personel wise. If Luke Rdinor or CJ Watson were on this team, Mario would be the back up and Cole would not have even been drafted.
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Post#106 » by Respect My Mind » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:19 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:When you have Wade, and Lebron--why would you want any other player on the team doing anything but spot up jumpers to space the floor? Wade and Lebron are the two best slashers in the game. Dude's just need to make their wide open spot up jumpers and it will be kosher.

It's sort of funny to post this in a Norris Cole thread because he's probably the only guy in the rotation this year besides Mike Miller who will attack the basket.



Wade and Lebron dont play 48 minutes.

If either is off the floor, you mean to tell me LeWade is supposed to either shoot the ball or make a play for someone on every possesion? That's worse offensive philosophy than Spo is running now.

C'mon dude, this isn't a video game. You need more than two and a half players who are capable of scoring without being spoon fed. Cole is too bummy to fill the void.
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#107 » by EscapoTHB » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:31 am

Respect My Mind wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:When you have Wade, and Lebron--why would you want any other player on the team doing anything but spot up jumpers to space the floor? Wade and Lebron are the two best slashers in the game. Dude's just need to make their wide open spot up jumpers and it will be kosher.

It's sort of funny to post this in a Norris Cole thread because he's probably the only guy in the rotation this year besides Mike Miller who will attack the basket.



Wade and Lebron dont play 48 minutes.


One is pretty much on the floor at all times this year.
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#108 » by EscapoTHB » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:33 am

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C'mon dude, this isn't a video game. You need more than two and a half players who are capable of scoring without being spoon fed. Cole is too bummy to fill the void.


We have: Miller, Battier, Rio, and Cole who can create their own shot off the bounce.(Besides Bosh,Lebron, Wade). So I'd say 7 out of 13 players is about the right number.
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Post#109 » by Respect My Mind » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:49 am

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Respect My Mind wrote:
C'mon dude, this isn't a video game. You need more than two and a half players who are capable of scoring without being spoon fed. Cole is too bummy to fill the void.


We have: Miller, Battier, Rio, and Cole who can create their own shot off the bounce.(Besides Bosh,Lebron, Wade). So I'd say 7 out of 13 players is about the right number.


Why do you exaggerate things for the sake of argument? YOU know what you said is simply not true. You know anyone who reads it, knows its not true. Why even bother? I mean really, whats the point?
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#110 » by Respect My Mind » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:51 am

EscapoTHB wrote:
Respect My Mind wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:When you have Wade, and Lebron--why would you want any other player on the team doing anything but spot up jumpers to space the floor? Wade and Lebron are the two best slashers in the game. Dude's just need to make their wide open spot up jumpers and it will be kosher.

It's sort of funny to post this in a Norris Cole thread because he's probably the only guy in the rotation this year besides Mike Miller who will attack the basket.



Wade and Lebron dont play 48 minutes.


One is pretty much on the floor at all times this year.


And that means one is shouldering the offense all the time...which is not good. We're going around in circles here.
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Post#111 » by Tim_Hardaway » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:49 am

EscapoTHB wrote:
Respect My Mind wrote:
C'mon dude, this isn't a video game. You need more than two and a half players who are capable of scoring without being spoon fed. Cole is too bummy to fill the void.


We have: Miller, Battier, Rio, and Cole who can create their own shot off the bounce.(Besides Bosh,Lebron, Wade). So I'd say 7 out of 13 players is about the right number.

If your definition of creating your own shot is jacking up a jump shot that will miss 99% of the time like Cole does. Yeah he can create his own shot ....the only only jump shot I saw he made yesterday was an off the glass jumper from the line which I bet he didn't call bank.

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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#112 » by -MK- » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:47 am

Respect My Mind wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:
Respect My Mind wrote:
C'mon dude, this isn't a video game. You need more than two and a half players who are capable of scoring without being spoon fed. Cole is too bummy to fill the void.


We have: Miller, Battier, Rio, and Cole who can create their own shot off the bounce.(Besides Bosh,Lebron, Wade). So I'd say 7 out of 13 players is about the right number.


Why do you exaggerate things for the sake of argument? YOU know what you said is simply not true. You know anyone who reads it, knows its not true. Why even bother? I mean really, whats the point?
Actually, you're both exaggerating. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Norris Cole needs to spend some time in the D-League 

Post#113 » by Respect My Mind » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:37 pm

-MK- wrote:
Respect My Mind wrote:
Why do you exaggerate things for the sake of argument? YOU know what you said is simply not true. You know anyone who reads it, knows its not true. Why even bother? I mean really, whats the point?
Actually, you're both exaggerating. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


No, not really, the middle of that would be 5. We dont have 5 players that can create. And even if we did, none of them are reserves. When the starters aren't in the game, the team struggles to score. That isn't an exaggeration, its the holy truth and the very reason why Cole has been nailed to the bench.

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