The Bismack Biyombo Thread

captaincrunk · Post #821 » by **captaincrunk** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:19 pm

ohara wrote:If Biyombo can come close to Bynum on the Court, I'll be very happy. He just has to avoid Bynum's immaturity which plaques him at times.

I really don't think we'll have that problem with Biz. He comes from relative privilege in the Congo, but he seems pretty in touch and down to earth.

captaincrunk · Post #822 » by **captaincrunk** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:21 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Bynum's game with his back to the basket is among the best in the league, however I just hate his footwork. If this wasn't the NBA, he'd be whistled for traveling six, seven times a game. Picks up his pivot foot, takes small, unnecessary steps to maintain his balance all the time. The Lakers haters should be crying about Bynum traveling a lot more. He gets away with it most of the time.

The rules that matter are the rules that play out in the games. Not the rules written in a book. Those reflect the games, not the other way around (in practice, whether they should or not is another story).

LamarMatic7 · Post #823 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:40 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:Bynum's game with his back to the basket is among the best in the league, however I just hate his footwork. If this wasn't the NBA, he'd be whistled for traveling six, seven times a game. Picks up his pivot foot, takes small, unnecessary steps to maintain his balance all the time. The Lakers haters should be crying about Bynum traveling a lot more. He gets away with it most of the time.

The rules that matter are the rules that play out in the games. Not the rules written in a book. Those reflect the games, not the other way around (in practice, whether they should or not is another story).

You did a great job of summing up what are the rules in the NBA. I'm just saying that he's traveling on most plays and it would definitely be called in Europe.

captaincrunk · Post #824 » by **captaincrunk** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:52 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:Bynum's game with his back to the basket is among the best in the league, however I just hate his footwork. If this wasn't the NBA, he'd be whistled for traveling six, seven times a game. Picks up his pivot foot, takes small, unnecessary steps to maintain his balance all the time. The Lakers haters should be crying about Bynum traveling a lot more. He gets away with it most of the time.

The rules that matter are the rules that play out in the games. Not the rules written in a book. Those reflect the games, not the other way around (in practice, whether they should or not is another story).

You did a great job of summing up what are the rules in the NBA. I'm just saying that he's traveling on most plays and it would definitely be called in Europe.

True. I think I read a little more into the "If this wasn't the NBA" part than you intended.

Post #825 » by **roc** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:06 am

love that sig lol

I can't even guess at how many sigs I have adblocked due to nobody policing the size limit anymore.

back on topic...

Bigs take awhile to develop so I am very curious to see how well Bismack looks in a couple more years. He has an intensity to his play but as has been mentioned needs polishing. The physical aspect like length can not be taught and he has those in spades with the exception of height. That is very over rated though as our own Big Ben proved during the Pistons most recent stretch of glory.

It took Ben quite awhile to get where he was so stay patient and hopefully things pan out great for Biyombo.

Elden Payton · Post #826 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:28 am

r0cd0gg wrote:love that sig lol

I can't even guess at how many sigs I have adblocked due to nobody policing the size limit anymore.

back on topic...

Bigs take awhile to develop so I am very curious to see how well Bismack looks in a couple more years. He has an intensity to his play but as has been mentioned needs polishing. The physical aspect like length can not be taught and he has those in spades with the exception of height. That is very over rated though as our own Big Ben proved during the Pistons most recent stretch of glory.

It took Ben quite awhile to get where he was so stay patient and hopefully things pan out great for Biyombo.

Cheers r0cd0gg,

I've been very impressed with Biyombo this season and he is much further along in his development than I thought he would be, yes his length is amazing but it's his coordination at his length which impresses me most.

Rounding up statistically as a rook Biyombo is averaging 5/5/2, last year Deandre Jordan got 4yrs 44m for averaging 7/7/2.

Personally I feel Biyombo will be special.

Post #827 » by **roc** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:09 am

DJ mos def got paid lol

Biyombo seems like he has higher upside on defense in general and is less likely to fall for the pump fake than DJ. Time and patience will be required but he mos def has the tools and the attitude IMO.

Elden Payton · Post #828 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:20 am

r0cd0gg wrote:DJ mos def got paid lol

Biyombo seems like he has higher upside on defense in general and is less likely to fall for the pump fake than DJ. Time and patience will be required but he mos def has the tools and the attitude IMO.

I absolutely agree!!!

Biyombo's stats as a starter are 6/7/2...Biyombo as a rookie is nearly as good as DJ in his fourth year!!!

Where would you rate Biyombo among rookies r0cd0gg?? Where would you rate him amongst young bigs??

On the Pistons board some of your fellow posters are claiming that Biyombo isn't even a top ten rookie(lol)

Kirsten19 got waived for defending him I believe

-Ian- · Post #829 » by **-Ian-** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:22 am

Snidely FC wrote:David Thorpe does his annual article about which veteran player each rookie should study in order to improve. For Bismack, Thorpe recommends he study Andrew Bynum.

First, here's what Thorpe posted about Biz on his rookie card, April 5:

April 5: Biyombo continues to make strides on both sides of the court, showing positive signs in March that the Bobcats have their future starting center. He scored 10 or more points four times, which is by far his best monthly showing. He also had nine or more rebounds six times -- again, his best numbers by far in a month -- and blocked a shot in all but three March games.

Here's why Thorpe thinks Biz should study Bynum:

Biyombo is absolutely as raw as we expected him to be, looking much like Andrew Bynum did when he was a rookie. Although Bynum may still be prone to saying or doing silly things here and there, his on-court game is textbook-perfect now.

Look at how Bynum keeps the ball up after catches and rebounds. Watch him use his long arms to their fullest by extending when finishing. See him own the area of the paint just around the rim. Most of those good things were taught to Bynum, which means the same kind of thing can happen for Biyombo, who has the disposition to dominate. Now he just needs the skills to do so.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... ombo-study

Interesting. Thank you for posting this. I hope you can also post the report on Kemba.

Post #830 » by **roc** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:29 am

Sik Infant wrote:Kirsten19 got waived for defending him I believe

I will get to the other stuff shortly but wanted to address this 1st...

Kirsten got waived for constantly attacking posters and not the post. She was all about measurements and ridicule, the 1st part was fine but the 2nd was a no no and she did it repeatedly. She has since been waived twice more under new accounts for pulling the same crap.

now for the answer to where I would rank Biyombo among rookies...

no idea TBH as I have not watched enough of any team including my own this season to give a fair and proper evaluation based on the entirety of the season.

All I can say is that I love his upside and think he can be a damn fine player and I am most curious to see how he pans out as I have had my eyes on him well before he shot up the draft boards.

Unfortunately I was just too busy during this past season so am hoping I have more time to watch next year, fingers crossed.

Elden Payton · Post #831 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:38 am

r0cd0gg wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Kirsten19 got waived for defending him I believe

I will get to the other stuff shortly but wanted to address this 1st...

Kirsten got waived for constantly attacking posters and not the post. She was all about measurements and ridicule, the 1st part was fine but the 2nd was a no no and she did it repeatedly. She has since been waived twice more under new accounts for pulling the same crap.

now for the answer to where I would rank Biyombo among rookies...

no idea TBH as I have not watched enough of any team including my own this season to give a fair and proper evaluation based on the entirety of the season.

All I can say is that I love his upside and think he can be a damn fine player and I am most curious to see how he pans out as I have had my eyes on him well before he shot up the draft boards.

Unfortunately I was just too busy during this past season so am hoping I have more time to watch next year, fingers crossed.

Cheers for clarifying about Kirsten19, John Henson will miss her.

Fair enough about witholding on the question, I wish more people would admit when they haven't seen enough.

captaincrunk · Post #832 » by **captaincrunk** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:00 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:love that sig lol

I can't even guess at how many sigs I have adblocked due to nobody policing the size limit anymore.

Post #833 » by **roc** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:18 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Cheers for clarifying about Kirsten19, John Henson will miss her.

Fair enough about witholding on the question, I wish more people would admit when they haven't seen enough.

I hear that.

OTish and speaking of sigs...

I have been to Manocad's house but not to county lol... :party:

Liver_Pooty · Post #834 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:15 pm

Going to be very interesting to see how much Biyombo progresses after a good off season, training camp, and summer league. Wouldn't be surprised to see him average a double double next year.

Kabookalu · Post #835 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:42 am

I really hope that Biyombo can brush up some of his big men fundamentals with a good big man coach. There are some parts of his game that kind of look advanced, and others that look far behind. This leads me to believe he has a great work ethic and was given limited teaching on how to be a big man so he worked tirelessly at whatever he was taught.

Can't wait to see what the young guy can do with a full training camp and summer under his belt.

LamarMatic7 · Post #836 » by **LamarMatic7** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:40 pm

How did Biz perform against Boston? Did Stiemsma really outplay him?

Eoghan · Post #837 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:58 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:How did Biz perform against Boston? Did Stiemsma really outplay him?

I only saw the first half so take my post with a hefty grain of salt.

Biz really has trouble against legit 7' guys like Stiemsma, Erdan, etc. He simply can't move them around and they have enough length to match his enough that he can't get his sweeping hooks off as easily. Stiemsma more or less owned him in the paint. What was encouraging though was that Biz is starting to work in a mid range J into his repertoire to shoot over bigs like Stiemsma and his form actually looks okay, just needs a lot of reps.

Something that I think Biz would absolutely kill with is a quick, leaning push hook, kind of like Duncan uses sometimes. He is given so much room around the freethrow line that as soon as he gets the ball if took one step in and floated the ball in, he'd be deadly.

penquin11 · Post #838 » by **penquin11** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:18 pm

Guys I'm an impressive 5'6 right now- and it is in that way that Basketball is such a hard damn sport for me to play- I am always guarding a guy who is at least 3 inches taller than me and am therefore guarded by said guy- my only real way to compensate for the lack in height is to play incredibly physically and play very aggressive D, in other words I have to foul like a mother f*cker to guard worth a damn. Biyombo is up against the same thing night in and night out- its pretty unfair to actually expect him to be able to adequately cover a guy who has 3 inches on him not counting arm length, especially considering how the refs react to any form of contact in the NBA today (I swear to god MJ in his prime would outscore half of the teams in the league if he played now adays- he regularly went up in contact with 2 or 3 defenders at a time, the man would live at the FT line shooting and- 1's), a pump fake is easy to bite for- but Biz has to play even more aggressive to compensate for his lack of hieght in the first place, which makes him easy to fake out or too fool. Furthermore being defended by a guy who is 3 inches or such taller than you is murder, it essentially forces you to take shots off the dribble- and Biyombo can barely nail shots when he is standing still at this point. About the only super effective "Small man" post move is the infamous post fade- which is the most difficult maneuver to master.

captaincrunk · Post #839 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:20 pm

penguin don't take this the wrong way, but you're not exactly an NBA level talent. We expect more of biz than we do of you.

Liver_Pooty · Post #840 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:33 pm

captaincrunk wrote:penguin don't take this the wrong way, but you're not exactly an NBA level talent. We expect more of biz than we do of you.

lol.

I get what you mean penguin