2012 NBA Draft - Part III

[nate33]

I don't see us trading Booker for another pick. A team can only develop so many young players at once.

If Booker is traded, I would expect for it to be a packaged deal where we move from a lower pick to a higher pick. And I think it would have to be for something higher than Boston's #20 pick. The odds of a pick that low succeeded are relatively low. Booker is a legit rotation-caliber player in the league. He has more value than a crapshoot pick in the 20's.

[truwizfan4evr]

I don't see us trading Booker for another pick. A team can only develop so many young players at once.

If Booker is traded, I would expect for it to be a packaged deal where we move from a lower pick to a higher pick. And I think it would have to be for something higher than Boston's #20 pick. The odds of a pick that low succeeded are relatively low. Booker is a legit rotation-caliber player in the league. He has more value than a crapshoot pick in the 20's.

Yea booker been very solid for wizards one of are only bright spots this season. He's a good role player on a playoff team. I would keep booker. We can package both are second rounder's and Chris singleton to move up in the first round. A lot of playoff team would love a defensive wing player like a Chris Singleton.

[dangermouse]

Singleton and a 2nd works i guess. Especially if we take MKG.

[truwizfan4evr]

With new Orleans win tonight they move 4 games ahead of us. Can we make it officially now we clinch the second worst record in nba now? And back to cheering the wizards. They have the bobcats next. So the tank is over?

[Jay81]

If the 2010 NBA draft happened today...i wonder if Wall would still go #1 or #2 behind Cousins. Serphain would be a top 6-7 pick

[truwizfan4evr]

I think so cousin could of went top 3 pick easily is was his maturity level that held him back. He is still a head case but very talented. We need a star point guard like wall he will have to improve this off season he just 21 years old. His future is bright. He's an all star waiting to happen once we get some shooters and some talent from the draft he will be more motivated and have more to work with. You look at wall numbers there still solid any team would take his stats. If we happen to land Anthony Davis. Everyone would be back on the John Wall bandwagon.

[7-Day Dray]

I don't see us trading Booker for another pick. A team can only develop so many young players at once.

If Booker is traded, I would expect for it to be a packaged deal where we move from a lower pick to a higher pick. And I think it would have to be for something higher than Boston's #20 pick. The odds of a pick that low succeeded are relatively low. Booker is a legit rotation-caliber player in the league. He has more value than a crapshoot pick in the 20's.

Yea booker been very solid for wizards one of are only bright spots this season. He's a good role player on a playoff team. I would keep booker. We can package both are second rounder's and Chris singleton to move up in the first round. A lot of playoff team would love a defensive wing player like a Chris Singleton.

I don't think Singleton's value is high enough to garner a mid-first round pick (I'm guessing that's the pick you were aiming for.) We might be able to get a late 1st rounder if we package Singleton with our 2nd rounders. I don't think a lot of the better teams want to pay guaranteed salary for late 1st rounders.

[truwizfan4evr]

I don't see us trading Booker for another pick. A team can only develop so many young players at once.

If Booker is traded, I would expect for it to be a packaged deal where we move from a lower pick to a higher pick. And I think it would have to be for something higher than Boston's #20 pick. The odds of a pick that low succeeded are relatively low. Booker is a legit rotation-caliber player in the league. He has more value than a crapshoot pick in the 20's.

Yea booker been very solid for wizards one of are only bright spots this season. He's a good role player on a playoff team. I would keep booker. We can package both are second rounder's and Chris singleton to move up in the first round. A lot of playoff team would love a defensive wing player like a Chris Singleton.

I don't think Singleton's value is high enough to garner a mid-first round pick (I'm guessing that's the pick you were aiming for.) We might be able to get a late 1st rounder if we package Singleton with our 2nd rounders. I don't think a lot of the better teams want to pay guaranteed salary for late 1st rounders.

That's what I was saying both are second rounder's plus singleton should be good enough, teams who want pieces for a playoff run. I'm sure Boston would do it maybe the heat or OKC may want a defensive stopper like Chris. Boston can use him maybe to replace Ray Allen they get a guard replacement he wont match Ray production but they get a hard nose player back in singleton.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If the 2010 NBA draft happened today...i wonder if Wall would still go #1 or #2 behind Cousins. Serphain would be a top 6-7 pick

I think John Wall would be a top 5 or 10 pick in this draft.

[truwizfan4evr]

WAll would be the second pick in this year draft.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I will put a friendly wager down with you that within 3 years there will be at least 5 players from this draft who are CLEARLY better players than John Wall, truwizfan4evr. A couple of them will be guards, too.

[The Consiglieri]

And I'll bet that if Wall wasn't on the Wizards 3 years from now, there'd be 1 player from this draft better than him, and that's it.

[Dat2U]

If the 2010 NBA draft happened today...i wonder if Wall would still go #1 or #2 behind Cousins. Serphain would be a top 6-7 pick

I think John Wall would be a top 5 or 10 pick in this draft.

And I think your way off. He'd be a lock as the #2 pick. You know the funny thing is John Wall is younger than Damian Lillard, arguably the best point guard prospect in the draft. I guess those box scores against Eastern Washington and Portland State mean a lot more to you than actual success on an NBA court.

And CCJ, don't take this personally, but it's hard to take your opinion seriously on this when guy you've likely never seen play like Lillard is in your opinion going to be a better player than Wall.

[truwizfan4evr]

And I'll bet that if Wall wasn't on the Wizards 3 years from now, there'd be 1 player from this draft better than him, and that's it.

Exactly what do you expect. Every time we get an elite talent something always goes wrong. I don't really put the blame on wall. Put him on a different team he would be doing a lot better then this team. With are front office he may never live up to his potential. unless we get rid of Ernie and get a good coach. We just seem curse that's what it comes down to . If we can win the Draft and Get Davis maybe the curse will finally end just like it did with the clippers this year.

[The Consiglieri]

What elite talent? Since I've been a fan of this team and actually started paying attention (1985) the only elite talent the Wizards ever had was Chris Webber. We've had some good players, but Webber's the only "franchise" player we ever had. The problem we have right now is that we basically drafted one player with franchise potential (Wall), and another with franchise potential, but a nucklehead's mental make up (McGee), and the rest of the draftees have been a mix of role players, and speculative long shots.

Wall's suffering because the team he's been saddled with since day one has been a giant pile of manure, and much worse than traditional manure teams, his team had a mix of cancerous idiots, willful knuckleheads, and guys so incomprehensibly foolish that they didn't even realize their was an issue with their knuckleheadism, and role players who nearly across the board can't shoot. Nobody could make this mess remotely attractive, you can't shine it, it is what it is. I will agree that he hasn't found a way to handle these issues effectively, maximize his potential, and minimize the drawbacks. He's been beaten by this team, unlike any of its opponents.

Still, in the end, if we surround Wall with talent, it is deeply difficult to imagine him being any worse than a very good point guard. If you gave him legit talent? Let's say, switched his lot in life with any quality PG in the league save DWill, and he'd be beasting every night, and tearing the league apart. He wouldn't be Chris Paul, and he wouldn't be a stat collecting little ball of hate like Rajon Rondo, but he'd still be putting up mad numbers. In the end, any quality point guard in the league, and any good one saddled w/what Wall's been saddled with, would have been nearly as bad, as bad, or much worse than Wall has looked on his worst nights.

[DallasShalDune]

And I'll bet that if Wall wasn't on the Wizards 3 years from now, there'd be 1 player from this draft better than him, and that's it.

Exactly what do you expect. Every time we get an elite talent something always goes wrong. I don't really put the blame on wall. Put him on a different team he would be doing a lot better then this team. With are front office he may never live up to his potential. unless we get rid of Ernie and get a good coach. We just seem curse that's what it comes down to . If we can win the Draft and Get Davis maybe the curse will finally end just like it did with the clippers this year.

Every good player has a weakness. John has his. Better players have theirs (KD turns the ball over in inopportune moments, LeBron can't live up to the big moment, Kobe has terrible shot selection, Rose can't stay healthy and his team is not that much worse w/o him, Melo can't lead a team to a championship because he's an elite volume scorer and not a 2-way superstar).

Wall is not as good as these players yet, but he still has the potential to be an all star talent. He is already borderline statistically, averaging 16-8. If we were a winner and he was averaging those numbers he'd be realistically considered for the game. But we aren't a winner, and that is partially on Wall. He let's his head get the best of him, and he grows either too passive or too overly aggressive. His all-or-nothing attitude has hurt him, but that is something that can be fixed with proper coaching. Proper mgmt. Proper player development.

Physically, Wall can be the best point guard in the league, and he is not the dumbest player ever. But he needs proper guidance, being so young, and the Wizards have always had a history of not providing proper guidance to its young players. Look at Webber. Look at everyone on our roster now.

Look at Gilbert and the gun incident.

I'd be afraid even if we drafted Davis that he'd massage his ego and allow him to grow complacent. We'd mishandle a can't-miss like him, for sure. We always do.


The only solution is to clean house in our front office pre-draft and hire competent and talented individuals.

[DallasShalDune]

What elite talent? Since I've been a fan of this team and actually started paying attention (1985) the only elite talent the Wizards ever had was Chris Webber. We've had some good players, but Webber's the only "franchise" player we ever had. The problem we have right now is that we basically drafted one player with franchise potential (Wall), and another with franchise potential, but a nucklehead's mental make up (McGee), and the rest of the draftees have been a mix of role players, and speculative long shots.

Wall's suffering because the team he's been saddled with since day one has been a giant pile of manure, and much worse than traditional manure teams, his team had a mix of cancerous idiots, willful knuckleheads, and guys so incomprehensibly foolish that they didn't even realize their was an issue with their knuckleheadism, and role players who nearly across the board can't shoot. Nobody could make this mess remotely attractive, you can't shine it, it is what it is. I will agree that he hasn't found a way to handle these issues effectively, maximize his potential, and minimize the drawbacks. He's been beaten by this team, unlike any of its opponents.

Still, in the end, if we surround Wall with talent, it is deeply difficult to imagine him being any worse than a very good point guard. If you gave him legit talent? Let's say, switched his lot in life with any quality PG in the league save DWill, and he'd be beasting every night, and tearing the league apart. He wouldn't be Chris Paul, and he wouldn't be a stat collecting little ball of hate like Rajon Rondo, but he'd still be putting up mad numbers. In the end, any quality point guard in the league, and any good one saddled w/what Wall's been saddled with, would have been nearly as bad, as bad, or much worse than Wall has looked.

I cosign this. Better stated than what I wrote.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Tell you what, Consiglieri. Track the careers of Davis, Robinson, Kidd Gilchrist, Beal, Tony Mitchell, Damian Lillard over time.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If the 2010 NBA draft happened today...i wonder if Wall would still go #1 or #2 behind Cousins. Serphain would be a top 6-7 pick

I think John Wall would be a top 5 or 10 pick in this draft.

And I think your way off. He'd be a lock as the #2 pick. You know the funny thing is John Wall is younger than Damian Lillard, arguably the best point guard prospect in the draft. I guess those box scores against Eastern Washington and Portland State mean a lot more to you than actual success on an NBA court.

And CCJ, don't take this personally, but it's hard to take your opinion seriously on this when guy you've likely never seen play like Lillard is in your opinion going to be a better player than Wall.

I have only seen video of him playing and stats. He scores 24 ppg and hits over 40% of his threes. He can shoot better than Wall with his eyes closed. J/K

As for my opinion I am not right some of the time but most of the time people underestimate me they get enlightened. Dat, I didn't even like Kyrie Irving at Duke but I told you he might be a better PG than Wall. I would take Lillard and a pick for Wall.

I was very wrong years about about Blake and Arenas. Maybe I'm wrong again. I never have been a huge John Wall fan. This season, I've seen him do some spectacular things. Still, he's also the type that leaves you scratching your head. Wall get's beaten routinely by some pretty routine players. Combine that with a broken jumper and what you have in John Wall is a great athlete who is a good passer, but not a great basketball player.

I would just as soon have a guy who's a winner but not the best athlete.

[Knighthonor]

Tell you what, Consiglieri. Track the careers of Davis, Robinson, Kidd Gilchrist, Beal, Tony Mitchell, Damian Lillard over time.

I wonder, what do you expect from them next season? What's your prediction on them? Since you follow numbers and stuff real deep. What you expect from them?