OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning?

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#81 » by richboy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:53 am

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darth_federer wrote:That lottery isnt rigged. Do you realize how much the NBA would lose if this came out? You are talking about jail time and hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits. Besides, almost every team has representatives in that room and they invite media all the time too. Why hasnt a single credible figure come out and admitted it? Some of these guys are assistant GMs who have been fired/let go. These guys arent paying hundreds of millions of dollars to play in a rigged league. Plus the amount of people you would need to pull off a conspiracy like this (NBA + Ernst and Young) pretty much guarantees a leak.

I know its easy for fans of terrible teams (me being one) to blame things on outside forces but the truth is that we suck because of our management and not anything else.

And Barkley really is an entertainer.


Here is the thing: Yes if many people knew about the rigging, then it would be HIGHLY likely for a leak to occur. HOWEVER, should the number of people involved in the rigging of the NBA be Stern and 2 of his top execs, then it is conceivable that it can happen.

Think about how many people are involved in a political campaign. Think of how many people are involved in the voting process for president. Then recall Florida in 2000. We have a president who may have won a "rigged" election. There has been no 100% damning evidence despite ALL the hands that would have had to be involved. All you need is literally one chance for a corruption to occur.
It is not like the ping pong balls drawings are televised. Even if they were, it is possible that some numbers may be repeated more times, thus not a perfect rig, but lets say the drawing for the first pick, the bobcats are supposed to have the "best" odds, but 1/2 their balls are not in the system. With the high quantity of ping pong balls involved it is not far fetched at all to see possible ways this can happen.

If each NBA team had its own ping pong ball colors, had the balls weighed before being poured into the device, and only used the quantity for their probability, then had the ball-popping viewed by a televised audience, THEN i would be on the "no-rig" side.



Didn't stop them from saying the first lottery was rigged. That year it was done live. They took the 7 teams that didn't make the playoffs and put there logos inside envelopes. Everyone could see there teams logo come out of the envelopes. They could see the 7 envelopes come in and then come out. Yet as soon as it was over well it was rigged. There is nothing the NBA could do that would make everyone think it is legit.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#83 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:01 am

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Wait so a team without the worst record can win the lottery?
And in this lottery, sometimes the draft order doesn't wind up staying consistent to record?
Mind. Blown.

And even though the Nets went 12-70, had no visible way of getting a star to take them into Brooklyn in the following two years except through the draft, and John Wall was even looking forward to being the face of the Nets franchise heading into NYC, Stern thought it was best to somehow revive the Wizards franchise instead.

Makes total sense. :-?


Maybe Obama insisted...

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#84 » by SaveOurBullets » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:09 am

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SaveOurBullets wrote:I don't think the lottery is rigged, but what's with people using the Clips winning the lottery as "proof" that it isn't? Hello? It's Los Freakin' Angeles.


Because if it was rigged OKC would have won. Blakes played HS ball and College ball in two suburbs of Oklahoma City, a town which had just gotten their first professional sports franchise less than a year earlier.


You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#85 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:12 am

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UN-Owen wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:What?! You mean Tim Donaghy? The ref who was investigated by the FBI, subsequently disgraced and kicked out of the league? How exactly was the NBA implicated in that? Pleas stop with the misinformation. And bad logic.


No, I mean this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM20eYjvwUM[/youtube]


Yep. Brutal officiating. I think it was Donaghy who said that game was fixed. There was a shortened news clip of it in the video you provided. The worst was the ref who had the best view of the Kobe elbow. I remember that game, too. Stands out in a really bad way. Was it fixed? Perhaps. But it doesn't mean or prove that the NBA was responsible for that. FBI looked into fixing of games, so in other words there was independent verification and I'm all for it. And this is coming from someone who is openly critical of inconsistencies in reffing.


Is this the same FBI that investigated 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#86 » by G R E Y » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:28 am

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GREY 1769 wrote:
UN-Owen wrote:
No, I mean this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM20eYjvwUM[/youtube]


Yep. Brutal officiating. I think it was Donaghy who said that game was fixed. There was a shortened news clip of it in the video you provided. The worst was the ref who had the best view of the Kobe elbow. I remember that game, too. Stands out in a really bad way. Was it fixed? Perhaps. But it doesn't mean or prove that the NBA was responsible for that. FBI looked into fixing of games, so in other words there was independent verification and I'm all for it. And this is coming from someone who is openly critical of inconsistencies in reffing.


Is this the same FBI that investigated 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination?


Oh. I see. That's how you see things. Can't argue with such stellar logic.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#88 » by The Infamous1 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:35 am

Of course the lottery is rigged.

But they shouldnt have it anyway, the number one pick should go to the team with the worst record like the NFL. Who cares if teams tank, they do it now with the lottery anyway
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#89 » by Rebuilding Year » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:36 am

bertrob wrote:Why would Ernest and Young rig the draft for a team that has 1/10th of its value?

This literally says it all.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#90 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:46 am

everyone knows the 1st pick is going to the Lolcats this year.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#91 » by Rebuilding Year » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:56 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.


Kevin Durant was drafted by the Seattle Supersonics.

I know you're not talking about the Hornets, because they picked #13 in 2007.

So what the hell does it matter how OKC was viewed?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#92 » by ecnirp » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:07 am

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#93 » by 83SixersRocked » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:13 am

Did mainstream media ignore Barkley's draft warning?

Trash headline on the original article, on the other thread, and on this thread. Charles didn't "warn" anybody about anything. Are you that easily led? Why should one more s**t headline warrant national headlines?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#94 » by theokie » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:55 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#95 » by SaveOurBullets » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 am

theokie wrote:
SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.


You don't think they would cover their bases? Fixing the lottery with one single approach every single year is going to get you caught. If you want to influence things and not get caught, you have to mix it up. Again, I don't believe they're actually doing that, but if there was a conspiracy, wouldn't not doing the bolded be incredibly stupid?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#96 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 am

83SixersRocked wrote:
Did mainstream media ignore Barkley's draft warning?

Trash headline on the original article, on the other thread, and on this thread. Charles didn't "warn" anybody about anything. Are you that easily led? Why should one more s**t headline warrant national headlines?


Originally I had "Did The Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Concerns?"

But after a Google search...lots of those headlines read "Barkley Warns NBA Could Rig Draft..."

So I went with 'Warning'


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OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#97 » by Litany » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:23 am

UN-Owen wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
UN-Owen wrote:[quote="GREY 1769"]What?! You mean Tim Donaghy? The ref who was investigated by the FBI, subsequently disgraced and kicked out of the league? How exactly was the NBA implicated in that? Pleas stop with the misinformation. And bad logic.


No, I mean this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM20eYjvwUM[/youtube]


Yep. Brutal officiating. I think it was Donaghy who said that game was fixed. There was a shortened news clip of it in the video you provided. The worst was the ref who had the best view of the Kobe elbow. I remember that game, too. Stands out in a really bad way. Was it fixed? Perhaps. But it doesn't mean or prove that the NBA was responsible for that. FBI looked into fixing of games, so in other words there was independent verification and I'm all for it. And this is coming from someone who is openly critical of inconsistencies in reffing.


Is this the same FBI that investigated 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination?[/quote]

I seriously feel sorry for you bud.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#98 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:57 am

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Forty years later, suspicions of a conspiracy endure: Seven in 10 Americans think the assassination of John F. Kennedy was the result of a plot, not the act of a lone killer – and
a bare majority thinks that plot included a second shooter on Dealey Plaza.
Just 32 percent accept the Warren Commission’s 1964 finding that Lee Harvey Oswald
alone shot Kennedy as his motorcade passed through downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
Fifty-one percent think there was a second gunman, and seven percent go so far as to
think Oswald wasn’t involved at all.
More broadly, in addition to the 70 percent of Americans who think there was some sort
of plot behind the killings, 68 percent think there was “an official cover-up” to hide the truth about the assassination from the public, and about as many, 65 percent, think that “important unanswered questions” remain, four decades after Kennedy’s death.


On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#99 » by Don Draper » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:59 am

^ That just tells me most Americans are idiots.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#100 » by og15 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:03 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:
theokie wrote:
SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.


You don't think they would cover their bases? Fixing the lottery with one single approach every single year is going to get you caught. If you want to influence things and not get caught, you have to mix it up. Again, I don't believe they're actually doing that, but if there was a conspiracy, wouldn't not doing the bolded be incredibly stupid?
The problem with this argument is that it gives the conspiracy theorist no way of being wrong.

If the team that is "supposed" to get it gets it, conspiracy theorist says "hey, look, they rigged it".

If things don't work out in any predictable manner, conspiracy theorists says "they are just trying to keep people off their track and covering all their bases".

It's basically saying that life variability = anything that is coincidental is rigged, and anything that has no pattern is rigged in order to keep people that are trying to bust them off their trail. It's so stupid, but it almost sounds smart.

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