We will not win the championship untill......

[SideshowBob]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1163399

Lebron's got a career playoff 4th quarter average of 9 points per game, which is the second highest of all time after Jordan. 31.8% of his playoff points have come in the 4th quarter or OT. He's only been under 7.0 points per game in two series, and under 5 points per game once, with 5.6 against Philadelphia last year and 3.0 against Dallas last year. In his first Finals appearance, he averaged 9.8 per game, despite only averaging 22 for the series, with each game being close.

The chances of him ever being that awful again are very low.

If your position is, understandably, that Lebron has lost a good deal of athleticism/quickness, and that it shows in the half court(which it does), then shouldn't it be MORE likely that he has more of these performances because he can't just rely on driving by everyone.

In that context, doesn't the career average seem kind of moot?

That is unless he shoots the ball well and with confidence/balance (as he did in 2 series last year).

It is indeed my position, but even holding that theory in mind, I can't assume that it's 100% conclusive that he's going to have many sustained poor 4th quarter performances in the playoffs, particularly when his two best series last year (9.4 ppg in both) came against the top defensive teams he faced. His struggles in the Dallas series, IMO, were unrelated to the athletic dropoff issue, and this year's playoffs may give me evidence that would support that or disprove that. We'll have to see.

On the other hand, I also cannot ignore that his two weakest fourth quarter series of 5.6 ppg and 3.0 ppg both came last year, so yes, to that extent, it may be moot to bring up career averages. Again, we'll wait and see.

[iboxlefty]

To win a championship the ball needs to be in Wades' hands down the stretch period. I don't mind if Lebron takes the last shot, but the offense should be initiated by Wade, and even Bosh has said so himself. Lebron is a beast in the open court, but I think Wade is a better halfcourt player and his ability to slice up defenses are critical especially in the playoffs when the defenses become more congested. Also, he makes quicker decisions with the ball and he's more aggressive. On top of that he's also won a title in that role. I don't see why so many people balk at Wade being the closer since he's done it before and won a title doing it.

Lebron is the more complete player but I just trust the ball in Wade's hands more. Like I said, I have no problems with Lebron taking the last shot, or taking multiple shots down the stretch, but I do think Wade must have the ball in his hands.

Honestly don't trust wade because he takes bad shots. If he promises to only shoot when someone is there to rebound then fine but he not only takes bad shots now but he gets stripped like every game or mishandles the ball. The good is he always seems to know exactly what he wants to do. He's not always effective tho

Don't let todays 4th quarter fool you

[HIF]

To win a championship the ball needs to be in Wades' hands down the stretch period. I don't mind if Lebron takes the last shot, but the offense should be initiated by Wade, and even Bosh has said so himself. Lebron is a beast in the open court, but I think Wade is a better halfcourt player and his ability to slice up defenses are critical especially in the playoffs when the defenses become more congested. Also, he makes quicker decisions with the ball and he's more aggressive. On top of that he's also won a title in that role. I don't see why so many people balk at Wade being the closer since he's done it before and won a title doing it.

Lebron is the more complete player but I just trust the ball in Wade's hands more. Like I said, I have no problems with Lebron taking the last shot, or taking multiple shots down the stretch, but I do think Wade must have the ball in his hands.

Honestly don't trust wade because he takes bad shots. If he promises to only shoot when someone is there to rebound then fine but he not only takes bad shots now but he gets stripped like every game or mishandles the ball. The good is he always seems to know exactly what he wants to do. He's not always effective tho

Don't let todays 4th quarter fool you

You hate on Wade , you hate on Spo , you hate on Bosh you hate on nearly every Heat player.

Are you REALLY a Heat supporter or a playerfan who is with us for the time being.

[Chosen01]

To win a championship the ball needs to be in Wades' hands down the stretch period. I don't mind if Lebron takes the last shot, but the offense should be initiated by Wade, and even Bosh has said so himself. Lebron is a beast in the open court, but I think Wade is a better halfcourt player and his ability to slice up defenses are critical especially in the playoffs when the defenses become more congested. Also, he makes quicker decisions with the ball and he's more aggressive. On top of that he's also won a title in that role. I don't see why so many people balk at Wade being the closer since he's done it before and won a title doing it.

Lebron is the more complete player but I just trust the ball in Wade's hands more. Like I said, I have no problems with Lebron taking the last shot, or taking multiple shots down the stretch, but I do think Wade must have the ball in his hands.

Honestly don't trust wade because he takes bad shots. If he promises to only shoot when someone is there to rebound then fine but he not only takes bad shots now but he gets stripped like every game or mishandles the ball. The good is he always seems to know exactly what he wants to do. He's not always effective tho

Don't let todays 4th quarter fool you

[iboxlefty]

To win a championship the ball needs to be in Wades' hands down the stretch period. I don't mind if Lebron takes the last shot, but the offense should be initiated by Wade, and even Bosh has said so himself. Lebron is a beast in the open court, but I think Wade is a better halfcourt player and his ability to slice up defenses are critical especially in the playoffs when the defenses become more congested. Also, he makes quicker decisions with the ball and he's more aggressive. On top of that he's also won a title in that role. I don't see why so many people balk at Wade being the closer since he's done it before and won a title doing it.

Lebron is the more complete player but I just trust the ball in Wade's hands more. Like I said, I have no problems with Lebron taking the last shot, or taking multiple shots down the stretch, but I do think Wade must have the ball in his hands.

Honestly don't trust wade because he takes bad shots. If he promises to only shoot when someone is there to rebound then fine but he not only takes bad shots now but he gets stripped like every game or mishandles the ball. The good is he always seems to know exactly what he wants to do. He's not always effective tho

Don't let todays 4th quarter fool you

You hate on Wade , you hate on Spo , you hate on Bosh you hate on nearly every Heat player.

Are you REALLY a Heat supporter or a playerfan who is with us for the time being.

If you can find me all instances where i "hate" on wade and bosh with no particular reason it would be great to see

For one I rarely comment on Bosh except when being realistic about how he plays and I believe I only expressed how I feel on him, once.


Wade and lebron I expect more from and wade hasnt been great this year so to tell us the ball HAS to go through him for us to win is a knee jerk reaction to yesterday. How about we run an actual play for once instead of hero ball?


You people get all up In arms when anyone says anything about Wade, get the foh with that sh*t. I'll continue saying run a damn play. And yes I'm concerned about Wade's shot selection. So what? I have a bunch of things I'm concerned about lebron about but no one says anything when I criticize him...


All Im saying is Im not buying the we can only win if this and that bullisht statements. Run plays.

[MiamiHavok]

I just hate how they take turns

Maybe Spo will figure out a way for both Wade and James to shoot the ball at the same time

[iboxlefty]

Off topic: I see my Sig is huge, can someone make it smaller?

[WD]

Win over Knicks shows Bosh holds key to Miami's playoff success

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... z1sEiufwEl

[truthiness]

Lebron does have an issue with being passive, he himself has admitted this at the beginning of the season.
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Our offense late in games is poor at best. A lot of standing around and watching.

Will SPO ever figure it out? Who knows.

I know.
He won't.