Keys To the Loss vs. Miami Heat @MSG

[BeagleBoss]

We need Stat and Lin.

[NoMoreThrees]

Landry Fields is the softest player in the nba... guys like berman would of been all over JR if he played like Fields did today. Fields is a nice guy so he tends to get a pass on most nights. Where we nit pick on JR for making a big steal and a dunk but showboated to crowd? Please! Ill take JR over that clown Fields on the court anyday. Fields goes soft to the rim like Charles Smith. No real team respects this clown and his ridicalous jump shot. He was a total buzz kill today.

fields is sloooowwww
and i also think he overweight
but i mean the guy is at best a 20 mins bench forward
he doesnt belong in the starting lineup and is never gunna be anything special
it is what it is
really like the guy tho hes a good guy
but that only go so far. we need production and wins. not nice guys
next scotty pippen my ass lol

[TKF]

I said a few weeks ago that I would rather play Chicago than Miami for the exact reason why we lost tonight.


Miami is just too talented on offense. They pushed the ball up the court and shot relatively early in the clock and quickened the pace. They played good (not great) defense vs us and basically dared us to outscore them. When we don't have Amare or Lin, we can't run with Miami. We're comfortable playing games in the 80s and 90s, but when Miami quickens their pace like tonight we can't play with them in the mid-high 90s.

a few random notes:

(1) shump's defense today is going to be overrated. He had a few nice strips, but blew a layup in a tight game. Couldnt fight over screens well and Wade did whatever he wanted in the low post

(2) lack of interior size. Miami had about 10 extra points off gimmick/broken/scrambles plays than they shouldve. Lots of messy scrambles all went to Miami and I attribute it to our lack of defensive rebounding, underscored by not having Amare. We can't run out Melo at PF and expect to win vs Chicago or Miami. I'd be shocked if we picked off 2 games without Amare. We need his size for both matchups badly

(3) Our pace. was. horrible. I'll give credit to Baron for not having any egregious boneheaded plays where he gets stripped 3 times out of 5 trips and jacks up a horrible fadeaway, but this team needs a PG and believe it or not, shump-jr-melo-jj-chandler needs to see more time on the court imo.
BUT
We didn't get into our offense enough. Melo putting up 42 pts and basically carrying us for 3.5 quarters but no one else stepped up for the hot hand. It's a double edged sword with Melo. Get him to score 40 pts and keep you in the game, but have zero, I mean ZERO offensive tempo outside of him. We needed someone else to play next to Melo. Melo needs a robin, a 2 man game, something. Our forumla is basically, play lockdown defense, get Melo 25 shots, and hope we can close games out. Well, we need to add soemthing else to that forumla. Hello JR? I can't believe I'm saying this, but JR needs to shoot more.

Basically

we need Amare back to give us 6,7,8 rebounds a game and 10 points and we have a legit (although small) shot at Chicago or Miami.

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

[makeitstop]

Typical how so many people are blaming Fields. When in doubt, pick one person and put all the blame on him. Typical. We lost this game for a number of reasons.

We got killed on the glass, nobody else really did much offensively besides Melo, and we had a lot of dumb plays as a team.

Plus as much as I hate to admit it, Miami is a better team then what we had on the court. We really have to play a great all around game to beat them and minimize mistakes. We didn't do that as a team.

Its really not a bad loss though. Just a tough game....on to the next one

The Fields criticism reminds me of the criticism that Jeffries used to get here back when people still hated him.

[NoMoreThrees]

Typical how so many people are blaming Fields. When in doubt, pick one person and put all the blame on him. Typical. We lost this game for a number of reasons.

We got killed on the glass, nobody else really did much offensively besides Melo, and we had a lot of dumb plays as a team.

Plus as much as I hate to admit it, Miami is a better team then what we had on the court. We really have to play a great all around game to beat them and minimize mistakes. We didn't do that as a team.

Its really not a bad loss though. Just a tough game....on to the next one

The Fields criticism reminds me of the criticism that Jeffries used to get here back when people still hated him.

weak links gunna get criticize
we aint a buncha soccer moms lying to our fat kids telling them theyre really good when they suck lol
well im not at least. play good or get lost. i dont know these people. i aint here to pat them on the back and say its okay u did good. no. play good and win or get lost. simple stuff here.

[makeitstop]

The Fields criticism reminds me of the criticism that Jeffries used to get here back when people still hated him.

weak links gunna get criticize
we aint a buncha soccer moms lying to our fat kids telling them theyre really good when they suck lol
well im not at least. play good or get lost. i dont know these people. i aint here to pat them on the back and say its okay u did good. no. play good and win or get lost. simple stuff here.

Yeah, but it turns out JJ wasn't a 'weak link.' The team struggled when he was out with injury.

The Fields criticism looks like a bunch of knee-jerk blame, TBH. This board would stop running altogether without easy scapegoats.

[seren]

Didn't see the game, so won't comment on it. But I will say this. We are not going to win a game, yet a series, if Amare doesn't come back 100%. No PG, no second scorer, no rebounder except Chandler. Too much to overcome.

[Phish Tank]

we need more scoring threats, gotta move Melo back to the 3, and really need to be serious boxing out. Also, gotta improve that putrid FT% of ours

[god shammgod]

I said a few weeks ago that I would rather play Chicago than Miami for the exact reason why we lost tonight.


Miami is just too talented on offense. They pushed the ball up the court and shot relatively early in the clock and quickened the pace. They played good (not great) defense vs us and basically dared us to outscore them. When we don't have Amare or Lin, we can't run with Miami. We're comfortable playing games in the 80s and 90s, but when Miami quickens their pace like tonight we can't play with them in the mid-high 90s.

a few random notes:

(1) shump's defense today is going to be overrated. He had a few nice strips, but blew a layup in a tight game. Couldnt fight over screens well and Wade did whatever he wanted in the low post

(2) lack of interior size. Miami had about 10 extra points off gimmick/broken/scrambles plays than they shouldve. Lots of messy scrambles all went to Miami and I attribute it to our lack of defensive rebounding, underscored by not having Amare. We can't run out Melo at PF and expect to win vs Chicago or Miami. I'd be shocked if we picked off 2 games without Amare. We need his size for both matchups badly

(3) Our pace. was. horrible. I'll give credit to Baron for not having any egregious boneheaded plays where he gets stripped 3 times out of 5 trips and jacks up a horrible fadeaway, but this team needs a PG and believe it or not, shump-jr-melo-jj-chandler needs to see more time on the court imo.
BUT
We didn't get into our offense enough. Melo putting up 42 pts and basically carrying us for 3.5 quarters but no one else stepped up for the hot hand. It's a double edged sword with Melo. Get him to score 40 pts and keep you in the game, but have zero, I mean ZERO offensive tempo outside of him. We needed someone else to play next to Melo. Melo needs a robin, a 2 man game, something. Our forumla is basically, play lockdown defense, get Melo 25 shots, and hope we can close games out. Well, we need to add soemthing else to that forumla. Hello JR? I can't believe I'm saying this, but JR needs to shoot more.

Basically

we need Amare back to give us 6,7,8 rebounds a game and 10 points and we have a legit (although small) shot at Chicago or Miami.

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

no it's not anything to think about. melo played with iverson and he was effective then. there's no problem.

[K_ick_God]

Not sure what the Fields scapegoating is all about. He missed shots, been doing that all season. He has to fix his shot in the off-season. Otherwise he had some good moments.

Made a drive where he created the shot, swung two very good passes to JR for 3's. Finished a play on a steal from Shumpert. Made a really good cut on what would have been a key reverse layup but Bosh just made a good defensive play.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I said a few weeks ago that I would rather play Chicago than Miami for the exact reason why we lost tonight.


Miami is just too talented on offense. They pushed the ball up the court and shot relatively early in the clock and quickened the pace. They played good (not great) defense vs us and basically dared us to outscore them. When we don't have Amare or Lin, we can't run with Miami. We're comfortable playing games in the 80s and 90s, but when Miami quickens their pace like tonight we can't play with them in the mid-high 90s.

a few random notes:

(1) shump's defense today is going to be overrated. He had a few nice strips, but blew a layup in a tight game. Couldnt fight over screens well and Wade did whatever he wanted in the low post

(2) lack of interior size. Miami had about 10 extra points off gimmick/broken/scrambles plays than they shouldve. Lots of messy scrambles all went to Miami and I attribute it to our lack of defensive rebounding, underscored by not having Amare. We can't run out Melo at PF and expect to win vs Chicago or Miami. I'd be shocked if we picked off 2 games without Amare. We need his size for both matchups badly

(3) Our pace. was. horrible. I'll give credit to Baron for not having any egregious boneheaded plays where he gets stripped 3 times out of 5 trips and jacks up a horrible fadeaway, but this team needs a PG and believe it or not, shump-jr-melo-jj-chandler needs to see more time on the court imo.
BUT
We didn't get into our offense enough. Melo putting up 42 pts and basically carrying us for 3.5 quarters but no one else stepped up for the hot hand. It's a double edged sword with Melo. Get him to score 40 pts and keep you in the game, but have zero, I mean ZERO offensive tempo outside of him. We needed someone else to play next to Melo. Melo needs a robin, a 2 man game, something. Our forumla is basically, play lockdown defense, get Melo 25 shots, and hope we can close games out. Well, we need to add soemthing else to that forumla. Hello JR? I can't believe I'm saying this, but JR needs to shoot more.

Basically

we need Amare back to give us 6,7,8 rebounds a game and 10 points and we have a legit (although small) shot at Chicago or Miami.

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

Probably... but Melo doesn't need touches or shots on every possession. Today it looked like he was tired by the end of the game. If Melo could take some plays on offense where he basically stands in the corner and only shoots if his man leaves him, that'd still be a big help. And it's still possible that Melo can be effective without dominating the ball. He's never really had to do it but if the only thing that's stopping him is that he can't get in rhythm without dominating the ball, I refuse to believe based on just a season that he can never adjust to that.

[makeitstop]

Not sure what the Fields scapegoating is all about. He missed shots, been doing that all season. He has to fix his shot in the off-season. Otherwise he had some good moments.

Made a drive where he created the shot, swung two very good passes to JR for 3's. Finished a play on a steal from Shumpert. Made a really good cut on what would have been a key reverse layup but Bosh just made a good defensive play.

I'm tellin' ya, it's the same as when people used to dog Jeffries every game. Jeffries still does all the stuff he used to do, but since he's not forced to be an offensive weapon the things he does do look a lot better in the flow of the game.

Fields is doing all the same stuff he'd do when Stat and Lin weren't out, but now that they are out there's more pressure for Fields to produce on the offensive end, and he doesn't put up big numbers because he never put up big numbers.

Boom. Instant 'weak link.'

[Capn'O]

Not sure what the Fields scapegoating is all about. He missed shots, been doing that all season. He has to fix his shot in the off-season. Otherwise he had some good moments.

Made a drive where he created the shot, swung two very good passes to JR for 3's. Finished a play on a steal from Shumpert. Made a really good cut on what would have been a key reverse layup but Bosh just made a good defensive play.

Yeah - I think Woodson put it best when he said that his confidence is off and that he'll try to support him with that - but that Fields was doing other good things on the court that justifies his play. His shot just isn't falling. Still thinking too much, perhaps...

It's remarkable how this fanbase just turns on its guys though.

[gavran]

Made a really good cut on what would have been a key reverse layup but Bosh just made a good defensive play.

The game thread became disgusting after that block. I mean, he only got blocked by a much better player, who happens to be a 7-time-all star power forward, and people acted like Hekeem Olajuwon got blocked by Jerry Nagel in the last second on a game 7.

[Capn'O]

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

I dunno. They were playing pretty well together before Stat went down. Melo just wasn't hitting his shots (he was still going up funny). I think it's more a question for the point guards about how to get them both the ball in their best spots.

[mpharris36]

Not sure what the Fields scapegoating is all about. He missed shots, been doing that all season. He has to fix his shot in the off-season. Otherwise he had some good moments.

Made a drive where he created the shot, swung two very good passes to JR for 3's. Finished a play on a steal from Shumpert. Made a really good cut on what would have been a key reverse layup but Bosh just made a good defensive play.

KG I agree with a lot what you say on this board but I can't agree with this one.

Are we now praising Landry for finishing a play on a steal from shumpert? He made a layup he is in the NBA why are we praising somebody for making a layup.

He constantly kills the momentum and the NBA more so then any other sport is a rhythm game because the game is up and down and back and forth. NFL and MLB there are stopages between each play so momentum can change from play to play.

Fields is a momentum murderer...missed jumpers, bad turnovers, can't get over screens on defense.

And the good play by bosh???? come on this isn't elementary school basketball where we praise nice tries. Bosh blocked Landry because he went up SOFT!!! instead of dunking it or going right into the body of Bosh and laid that weak crap up that got blocked.

He is soft! he wilts under pressure...this is not the first time.

[AllanHoustonFan]

KG I agree with a lot what you say on this board but I can't agree with this one.

Are we now praising Landry for finishing a play on a steal from shumpert? He made a layup he is in the NBA why are we praising somebody for making a layup.

He constantly kills the momentum and the NBA more so then any other sport is a rhythm game because the game is up and down and back and forth. NFL and MLB there are stopages between each play so momentum can change from play to play.

Fields is a momentum murderer...missed jumpers, bad turnovers, can't get over screens on defense.

And the good play by bosh???? come on this isn't elementary school basketball where we praise nice tries. Bosh blocked Landry because he went up SOFT!!! instead of dunking it or going right into the body of Bosh and laid that weak crap up that got blocked.

He is soft! he wilts under pressure...this is not the first time.

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[aggo]

I said a few weeks ago that I would rather play Chicago than Miami for the exact reason why we lost tonight.


Miami is just too talented on offense. They pushed the ball up the court and shot relatively early in the clock and quickened the pace. They played good (not great) defense vs us and basically dared us to outscore them. When we don't have Amare or Lin, we can't run with Miami. We're comfortable playing games in the 80s and 90s, but when Miami quickens their pace like tonight we can't play with them in the mid-high 90s.

a few random notes:

(1) shump's defense today is going to be overrated. He had a few nice strips, but blew a layup in a tight game. Couldnt fight over screens well and Wade did whatever he wanted in the low post

(2) lack of interior size. Miami had about 10 extra points off gimmick/broken/scrambles plays than they shouldve. Lots of messy scrambles all went to Miami and I attribute it to our lack of defensive rebounding, underscored by not having Amare. We can't run out Melo at PF and expect to win vs Chicago or Miami. I'd be shocked if we picked off 2 games without Amare. We need his size for both matchups badly

(3) Our pace. was. horrible. I'll give credit to Baron for not having any egregious boneheaded plays where he gets stripped 3 times out of 5 trips and jacks up a horrible fadeaway, but this team needs a PG and believe it or not, shump-jr-melo-jj-chandler needs to see more time on the court imo.
BUT
We didn't get into our offense enough. Melo putting up 42 pts and basically carrying us for 3.5 quarters but no one else stepped up for the hot hand. It's a double edged sword with Melo. Get him to score 40 pts and keep you in the game, but have zero, I mean ZERO offensive tempo outside of him. We needed someone else to play next to Melo. Melo needs a robin, a 2 man game, something. Our forumla is basically, play lockdown defense, get Melo 25 shots, and hope we can close games out. Well, we need to add soemthing else to that forumla. Hello JR? I can't believe I'm saying this, but JR needs to shoot more.

Basically

we need Amare back to give us 6,7,8 rebounds a game and 10 points and we have a legit (although small) shot at Chicago or Miami.

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

This is a good question, and I don't have the answer with this current lineup

It's supposed to be Amare or Lin, but neither are there.

[mpharris36]

LET me ask this.... someone like who? and wouldn't that someone else require the ball , touches, shots? and if melo gets less shots and touches, how effective is he going to be? something to think about....

This is a good question, and I don't have the answer with this current lineup

It's supposed to be Amare or Lin, but neither are there.

Right now Melo is out of his mind top 5 IMHO in the NBA. But to sustain this level of play we need to get a consistent 2nd option. Especially in the playoffs the Bulls a great defensive team will run doubles at Melo all game and instead of having fields out there we will have Amare that is only a positive.

Regular season basketball is totally different than Post season basketball...the defensive schemes are more in-depth because teams have one team to prepare for and days in between games to practice these schemes.

Melo will still have the ball the only difference is that if teams double him i have more confidence of Amare finishing then jeffries or fields.

Secondly Melo can get more of a rest. Last game he played 45 minutes because we just didn't have anything without him. Amare could be the focal point with melo on the bench and we probably could survive a little better.

[Besart19]

The Knicks have only 3-4 wins when their opponents outscore them in the paint!

This is what Woody was saying during the 2nd half TO and also in the PG interview!