Wizards vs Bulls GT: 8PM

[7-Day Dray]

So in just two year...one a strike shortened year.. the team has been completely rebuilt and is sitting really pretty for the upcoming draft with a top 5 pick that is pretty much a can't miss pick. Lewis comes of the books next year.

KS.. home run. Specially all the move it took to get him.
Ves. . Looking more and more like he is another one.
Booker was a great pick
Wall doesn't count since he was the consensus #1 but we still got him from another designed tank year.

Moving Nick and McGee for Nene was a really nice move.

So why do people want to break team Ted/EG again. I'm not getting it other then old hate from stuff that happened with Abe/EG. Ted/EG are doing great.

Here we go again. I knew people were going to start praising this win that we're a team that just turned the corner. We beat a Bulls team without frickin' Derrick Rose an Luol Deng! Their two best players. Did you forget when we got blown out by the Knicks a few nights ago? Wins like these aren't enough to justify bringing back a guy who brought us into this mess.

[jivelikenice]

Vesely was drafted too high, but I like his game. He makes a lot of hustle plays.

He was drafted too high if you look at him paying immediate dividends. Outside of Kawhi & Thompson, who could you say that was drafted after Vesely will definitively be a better pro than Jan in 3 years? He still may validate his draft slot in this particular draft if you ask me.

His shot is getting better. Yes its only a very slight improvement but I'm looking more at his form and touch. he shoots with a lot of arc and a soft touch. I may be drinking the kool-aid but I think if he works hard he can go from being atrocious shooter to potentially a good one considering he has good shot selection and doesn't force bad shots.

[nate33]

Vesely was drafted too high, but I like his game. He makes a lot of hustle plays.

He was drafted too high if you look at him paying immediate dividends. Outside of Kawhi & Thompson, who could you say that was drafted after Vesely will definitively be a better pro than Jan in 3 years? He still may validate his draft slot in this particular draft if you ask me.

Kenneth Faried says hi.

[miller31time]

Chris Singleton's numbers, per-36 minutes...

7.4pts
5.8rebs
1.3asts
1.8 stls
4.5pf (fouls)
45.3% TS%
43.1% eFG%

[jivelikenice]

Vesely was drafted too high, but I like his game. He makes a lot of hustle plays.

He was drafted too high if you look at him paying immediate dividends. Outside of Kawhi & Thompson, who could you say that was drafted after Vesely will definitively be a better pro than Jan in 3 years? He still may validate his draft slot in this particular draft if you ask me.

Kenneth Faried says hi.

Faried wasn't considered an option @ #6. Should he have been is another question but realisitically he wasn't in the conversation for the 6th pick. I'm not ready to put him in the HOF either....

[montestewart]

He's already in the CCJ "Wizards Should Have Grabbed Him" Hall of Fame.

[DallasShalDune]

So in just two year...one a strike shortened year.. the team has been completely rebuilt and is sitting really pretty for the upcoming draft with a top 5 pick that is pretty much a can't miss pick. Lewis comes of the books next year.

KS.. home run. Specially all the move it took to get him.
Ves. . Looking more and more like he is another one.
Booker was a great pick
Wall doesn't count since he was the consensus #1 but we still got him from another designed tank year.

Moving Nick and McGee for Nene was a really nice move.

So why do people want to break team Ted/EG again. I'm not getting it other then old hate from stuff that happened with Abe/EG. Ted/EG are doing great.

Here we go again. I knew people were going to start praising this win that we're a team that just turned the corner. We beat a Bulls team without frickin' Derrick Rose an Luol Deng! Their two best players. Did you forget when we got blown out by the Knicks a few nights ago? Wins like these aren't enough to justify bringing back a guy who brought us into this mess.

It goes both ways. When we lose, it is the end of the world and ALL of our players suck. When we win, people get optimistic.

I lie more with the negative-nancies, but it feels good to win sometimes because it shows what we have to work with.

I still worry Ves will suck forever, even when he plays well on defense.

[DallasShalDune]

Faried wasn't considered an option @ #6. Should he have been is another question but realisitically he wasn't in the conversation for the 6th pick. I'm not ready to put him in the HOF either....

Trading down is always an optin.

[tontoz]

It goes both ways. When we lose, it is the end of the world and ALL of our players suck. When we win, people get optimistic.

I lie more with the negative-nancies, but it feels good to win sometimes because it shows what we have to work with.

I still worry Ves will suck forever, even when he plays well on defense.

Even if Ves doesn't improve his skills much he can still get points just because of his length, athleticism and activity level.

It is CS that I am definitely worried about. His offense is absolutely pathetic.

[DCZards]

They did so by playing TERRIFIC defense!

You guys are missing the point on Vesely with Seraphin. Kevin blocked 5 shots! They are a really good tandem defensively for 1st and 2nd year players. James Singleton had 2 blocks and 2 steals in a short time on the court.

pancakes, I think this was a very significant win. Even with the two losses the Wizards can say they've won 3 of 5 without Nene or Booker. They have won with Wall shooting bricks. They have won despite Crawford being a chucker.

Things aren't all bad.

Yup, defense is what won this game. Ves, Wall, Mack, Kev and, in particular, J. Singleton and Mo whose toughness and in your face D set the tone for the younguns to follow.

Vesely was drafted too high, but I like his game. He makes a lot of hustle plays.

I like Vesely's height, length, athleticism, smarts, hustle and energy. Things you can't coach or teach. I think he will turn out to be a very good pick. Maybe not #6, but certainly a top 10-12 pick.

[dobrojim]

since the game was on CSN+ my dvr didn't catch it. I was coming
back from running the record hot Boston marathon last night.

CSN doesn't seem to replay games anymore. Anyone know how to
get this game. I love that we won. Our position as 2nd worst seems
pretty solid. I still want us to beat MIA.

[verbal8]

I like Vesely's height, length, athleticism, smarts, hustle and energy. Things you can't coach or teach. I think he will turn out to be a very good pick. Maybe not #6, but certainly a top 10-12 pick.

I think you re-drafted today, he would likely fall somewhere in that range. I think the top 4 of the top 5(I would say Tristan Thompson is probably more disappointing). I think 6 or 7 guys definitely have moved in front of Vesley(Knight, Walker, Klay Thompson, Brooks, Leonard, Faried and maybe Vucevic or Markieff Morris). A couple of the productive rookies have been better than expected(Isiah Thomas and Shumpert), but seem to have reached close to their potential.

[dobrojim]

Crawford 2-13 while Hamilton has 18.

in the boxscore I saw Craw shot very poorly but I noticed he still
had 6 assists. Not bad for a SG.

[DCZards]

I think you re-drafted today, he would likely fall somewhere in that range. I think the top 4 of the top 5(I would say Tristan Thompson is probably more disappointing). I think 6 or 7 guys definitely have moved in front of Vesley(Knight, Walker, Klay Thompson, Brooks, Leonard, Faried and maybe Vucevic or Markieff Morris). A couple of the productive rookies have been better than expected(Isiah Thomas and Shumpert), but seem to have reached close to their potential.

The only players you named above that I would probably take over Ves are Klay Thompson, Faried, and Leonard. And Ves may eventually be as good (or at least as valuble to the Zards) as these players.

Walker and Knight play the position we are already set at with Wall, Brooks is a sure enough scorer but I think guys like him are easier to find than a 7 foot athlete like Ves, and Morris, imo, doesn't have anywhere near the upside that Ves has. I haven't seen enough of Vucevic to make a judgement.

Actually, Tristan Thompson has played well when he's gotten minutes. I like him a lot. He played just one year at Texas so he's still really young and green. I expect Tristan to eventually justify his draft position.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

He's already in the CCJ "Wizards Should Have Grabbed Him" Hall of Fame.

It's the only HOF located in my living room, in Mililani, HI.

Right next to the entertainment tower, with my kids' trophies, there's a place for Faried's bust to go.

That reminds me of one of my pet peeves. I'm old school. Back in the day everybody didn't get a trophy. No. Your team got a trophy for 1st place. Your team had one MVP. That was it! Now, for every doggone team your kids get on you have to buy them a trophy. Well, you don't have to, but you look like the bad parent if you don't. Besides that trophy in youth sports there's fees for uniforms, pictures, end of season parties, and sometimes you pay for the coach's trophy, too. But none of those get me. I'll tell you what does.

Snacks and drinks. When you're a divorced parent with more than one kid in youth sports this gets dicey. You have to get your kids from A to B for practices and games, and you've also got to make sure you're on top of the refreshments. For a single dad with this is a bit much.

Back in the day, we went to 7-11 and bought our own darn snacks if we had the need for refreshments. Now, I get the guilty conscience if I don't out do the other parents.

Sorry for the rant, but youth sports are a bit much at times.

[dobrojim]

Faried wasn't considered an option @ #6. Should he have been is another question but realisitically he wasn't in the conversation for the 6th pick. I'm not ready to put him in the HOF either....

Trading down is always an optin.

trading down is an option only if you have a willing trading partner

always is always a very strong word, it only takes one exception and
then always is wrong. Sorta like never.

trading down MIGHT HAVE BEEN an option

[dobrojim]

CCJ

you'd hate my den

I have a row of finishing medals from marathons and ultras that I completed
Didn't win a single one of them. I'll be adding the one I got for running
Boston yesterday after wearing it today. I'll be completely shameless about
this.

The trophies they give kids are really 'participation awards' (not unlike my medals).
Nothing really wrong with that as long as things are kept in perspective.
Most kids understand this even without being told.

[closg00]

I like Vesely's height, length, athleticism, smarts, hustle and energy. Things you can't coach or teach. I think he will turn out to be a very good pick. Maybe not #6, but certainly a top 10-12 pick.

I think you re-drafted today, he would likely fall somewhere in that range. I think the top 4 of the top 5(I would say Tristan Thompson is probably more disappointing). I think 6 or 7 guys definitely have moved in front of Vesley(Knight, Walker, Klay Thompson, Brooks, Leonard, Faried and maybe Vucevic or Markieff Morris). A couple of the productive rookies have been better than expected(Isiah Thomas and Shumpert), but seem to have reached close to their potential.

The only thing that would justify taking Vesely in the lottery would be if he was a respectable shooter. Vesely wisely did not participate in pre-draft scrimmages, that would have sunk him. Leonard or Thompson should have been the pick.

[hands11]

Nice feel good win even though Chicago was missing Deng & Rose. Always good to close out a game against a quality opponent on the road.

I thought Wall played a nice floor game but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Seraphin played well. I'm more impressed about the 13 rebounds & 5 blocks than the 21 pts in 19 shots. Second time in four games Seraphin's gotten 13. Problem is sandwiched b/w those two games was 76+ minutes of action where he got 9 rebs total.

I'm really liking a C combo of Seraphin & Nene for next season. I'd still want another PF in the mix but I'm feeling confident that C is a position of strength going forward.

I'm not buying much else though. I have no idea what hands is seeing most of the time. Mo Evans wasn't sitting because we were tanking. He was sitting because he came into the season out of shape and has been brutal when he has played for the most part.

Vesely looks to be improving but he's not come close to validating his draft selection. Watching Vesely take steps towards being passable or marginally useful doesn't mean he was suddenly a great selection. It just means he's not a total embarrassment anymore.

I will take that as a compliment considering you thought KS was going to be a bust. Add that to your list on "wrong"

[hands11]

So in just two year...one a strike shortened year.. the team has been completely rebuilt and is sitting really pretty for the upcoming draft with a top 5 pick that is pretty much a can't miss pick. Lewis comes of the books next year.

KS.. home run. Specially all the move it took to get him.
Ves. . Looking more and more like he is another one.
Booker was a great pick
Wall doesn't count since he was the consensus #1 but we still got him from another designed tank year.

Moving Nick and McGee for Nene was a really nice move.

So why do people want to break team Ted/EG again. I'm not getting it other then old hate from stuff that happened with Abe/EG. Ted/EG are doing great.

I don't think we're "sitting pretty" at all. I don't want to be a debbie downer but we barely beat a bulls team that was missing 2 of their best players. Before that we lost to cleveland by double digits and before that we lost to new york by 37 points.

Seraphin's strung together a few nice games but he's far from a "home run". Just because Ves isn't a self-czech anymore doesn't mean he's a "home run" either. Our guard play is piss poor, and wall is shooting 7.5% from 3. only 3 made 3's all season in 40 attempts.

i'm not necessarily hating on EG but just pointing out that the wizards are not doing too great.

but back to the game, i'm glad that wall is trusting his teammates more by feeding the trailer instead of forcing a bad shot, but he does still need to improve his court vision.

If you don't want to be a debbie, then don't be. You do have a choice you know.