Are we better without Kobe?

[kblo247]

and bynum/pau do shoot the ball more efficiently with kobe on the court this season.

i would assume so.

my point was more related to people making this big deal about the shooting percentage these past 5-6 games without kobe when we have a ton more evidence of how they play with kobe off the court in the first 55 games of the yr cause kobe doesn't play all game.

i don't know the stat, but i'd assume both pau and bynum have shot way better with kobe off the floor in the first 55ish games that kobe played in than they have in this current kobe-less streak.

Kobe plays 40 mpg, the sample with either of them playing without him apis miniscule at best because he rarely sits.

Let's just play a game and look at the team without Bynum for full games this season clogging the middle. 5 game sample for five game sample

Kobe's shooting
11-23
10-24
8-17
10-17
10-16
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49-97 = 50.5%

Pau in those games
6-14
7-12
6-11
7-12
11-20
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37-69 = 53.6%

Points allowed - 88, 100, 71, 82, 87 ~ 85.6 ppg
Record = 3-2

That is efficent scoring by the two primary pillars. The team gave up 10ppg less on average without Drew. They also gave up less fastbreak points, as this current Kobe less stretch has saw every team we faced meet or exceed their fast break average despite there being "no long rebounds" from "Kobe's wild circus shots"

Thoughts? Dock I'm talking to you, and others who said the typical spill as you could use the 5 game sample to also say damn the offense from Kobe and Pau are more efficent and the team defense this season is much more restrictive without Bynum clogging up the middle or being exploited on pick and rolls. Are we better without Bynum. That could literally be a thread title I could throw up off the same sample size to dispute this thread.

[kblo247]

I decide to steal from Lil Wayne ... I'm going in and I'm gon go hard

Bynum (w/ Kobe): 61.8 TS% (amazing)
Bynum (w/o Kobe): 55.4 TS%

Gasol (w/ Kobe): 55.6 TS%
Gasol (w/o Kobe): 52.4 TS%

Sessions (w/ Kobe): 63.8 TS% (amazing)
Sessions (w/o Kobe): 54.7 TS%

Artest (w/ Kobe): 47.5 TS%
Artest (w/o Kobe): 47.8 TS%

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Kobe w/ Bynum: 50.9 TS%
Kobe w/o Bynum: 55.9 TS%

Kobe w/ Gasol: 52.2 TS%
Kobe w/o Gasol: 55.3 TS%

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To paraphrase something Bynum once said about Odom ... Kobe drawing all the mf'n defensive attention and we eat well and look better than we are because of it

[kblo247]

Hold up, I said I was going go hard so let's go eFG%

Kobe w Bynum - 44.4%
Kobe wo Bynum - 49.0%

Bynum w Kobe - 58.1%
Bynum wo Kobe - 52.0%

Kobe w Pau - 46.1%
Kobe wo Pau - 47.5%

Pau w Kobe - 51.3%
Pau wo Kobe - 48.8 %

Kobe w Sessions - 49.7%
Kobe wo Sessions - 38.5%

Sessions w Kobe - 60.0%
Sessions wo Kobe - 50.3%

Kobe with MWP - 45.2%
Kobe wo MWP - 47.2%

MWP w Kobe - 45.5%
MWP wo Kobe - 44.3%

Don't make his teammates better, holding them back, blah .... LMAO!

KLOSED

[kblo247]

KO punch to this thread ... Off to bed for me

[Imadogg]

Where you get this info

Also Kobe shoots worse with Bynum than without.. wtf

And yea use eFG, smart move

[Wavy Q]

Kobe shoots 38 eFG% without Sessions?????? WTF that can't be right

[kblo247]

Well it would only include the point when Sessions came and that slump he was in for a week like the NOLA game hurts him heavily

[kblo247]

Where you get this info

Also Kobe shoots worse with Bynum than without.. wtf

And yea use eFG, smart move

Kobe doesn't have to share the post or have his driving lanes clogged like with Bynum is why ... Stats cube

[Dr Aki]

Well it would only include the point when Sessions came and that slump he was in for a week like the NOLA game hurts him heavily

so, we're counting on a small sample size?

[kblo247]

Well it would only include the point when Sessions came and that slump he was in for a week like the NOLA game hurts him heavily

so, we're counting on a small sample size?

For Sessions yeah. For Ron, Pau, And Andrew no. It is only logical they use what you have with Kobe and Ramon together, just like a fan would use Ramons raw Laker stats to see how he is doing at pg for us, don't you think?

Kobe and Ramon seem to have the only relationship that is mutually beneficial from that perspective as Kobe's numbers dip playing with everyone else

[Tee212]

yes we're counting a small sample size since its only fair because ppl tend to make threads like this cause the lakers are 4-1 without kb. Tonights game was a reality check.

[Krazy!!!]

This Bulls fan feel your pain.

[dockingsched]

and bynum/pau do shoot the ball more efficiently with kobe on the court this season.

i would assume so.

my point was more related to people making this big deal about the shooting percentage these past 5-6 games without kobe when we have a ton more evidence of how they play with kobe off the court in the first 55 games of the yr cause kobe doesn't play all game.

i don't know the stat, but i'd assume both pau and bynum have shot way better with kobe off the floor in the first 55ish games that kobe played in than they have in this current kobe-less streak.

Kobe plays 40 mpg, the sample with either of them playing without him apis miniscule at best because he rarely sits.

Let's just play a game and look at the team without Bynum for full games this season clogging the middle. 5 game sample for five game sample

Kobe's shooting
11-23
10-24
8-17
10-17
10-16
--------
49-97 = 50.5%

Pau in those games
6-14
7-12
6-11
7-12
11-20
-----------
37-69 = 53.6%

Points allowed - 88, 100, 71, 82, 87 ~ 85.6 ppg
Record = 3-2

That is efficent scoring by the two primary pillars. The team gave up 10ppg less on average without Drew. They also gave up less fastbreak points, as this current Kobe less stretch has saw every team we faced meet or exceed their fast break average despite there being "no long rebounds" from "Kobe's wild circus shots"

Thoughts? Dock I'm talking to you, and others who said the typical spill as you could use the 5 game sample to also say damn the offense from Kobe and Pau are more efficent and the team defense this season is much more restrictive without Bynum clogging up the middle or being exploited on pick and rolls. Are we better without Bynum. That could literally be a thread title I could throw up off the same sample size to dispute this thread.

you quoted my post yet missed the entire point. ugh.

[Doormatt]

i dont get your point either

i don't know the stat, but i'd assume both pau and bynum have shot way better with kobe off the floor in the first 55ish games that kobe played in than they have in this current kobe-less streak.

the numbers are actually the opposite, bynum and pau this season shoot less efficiently without kobe. idk why you would think otherwise. do you really think they are better scorers when hes off the court?

[dockingsched]

my point was that they aren't as bad without kobe as the previous games showed, and using the previous 55 games of the season when kobe sat would show that.

i was arguing against the point of people saying "look how terrible their shooting is without kobe".

[dockingsched]

i dont get your point either

i don't know the stat, but i'd assume both pau and bynum have shot way better with kobe off the floor in the first 55ish games that kobe played in than they have in this current kobe-less streak.

the numbers are actually the opposite, bynum and pau this season shoot less efficiently without kobe. idk why you would think otherwise. do you really think they are better scorers when hes off the court?

may be i wrote it in a inefficient manner, but here's my post that u just quoted dissected for you:

pau and bynum have shot way better with kobe off the floor in the first 55ish games that kobe played in

= talking about their shooting during minutes they play without kobe when kobe is active

than they have in this current kobe-less streak.

- talking about their shooting during these games that kobe has completely missed


never did i talk about how they shoot with kobe on the floor, which like i said, i would assume is higher.

[Doormatt]

oh okay its probably because i havent slept but that makes sense.

[rand0m]

But isn't it a better indicator of how they play (specifically pau & bynum) without kobe when he's actually not playing at all for 5 entire games than a few minutes a game over 55 games? Especially with all the variables that go into those few minutes.

[kblo247]

Doc you also said our transition d has been better but we were giving up more fast break points to teams without Kobe than with him before the spurs game. Even with all our at the rim orebs we are getting killed without his shots creating long ones.

My point is our d suffers without Kobe and our O is inefficient by our towers. Citing a 2-5 minute sample where they play without Kobe during the year is well and good but the dips are still there and magnify when he is gone which tells the story. As good as Drew has been, he sits and Kobe picks up the slack with Pau joining in at an efficient pace on both ends as leaders. We don't get that when Kobe sits, drew chucks a lot, but his offensive efficiency and defensive effort or accountability for guys lacks and Pau follows that attitude and play because of his personality. So my point is this team and every main cog on it are better off with Kobe and falling in line to play off him

[Biohazard]

Skip Bayless ‏ @RealSkipBayless

Has coach Kobe learned his team can go deeper if he limits self to 20 quality shots, feeds post and beast, Bynum/Gasol? Not in his genetics.