Magic(36-26) @ Jazz(33-30)

[rcklsscognition]

basically that Orton's minutes did nothing for us.. he fell for every pump fake and got early fouls. He was pretty straight up mean about it lol.

Stan has no attachment to Orton and doesn't have to worry about pissing the guy off, he's already done so earlier this season. Stan does have a tendency to crap on young guys to try and motivate them, we'll see if it works with Orton like it does with Ryan.

[thelead]

Do you want to continue trying to win by jacking up 38 3's a night. I'm over it. We hit 15 3's in a game on 40% and still lost.

We scored what, 105 points before going to OT and our offense is a problem?

Not tonight but my point is do you expect to hit 15 of 38 three's every night? I don't think we're going to win many games expecting that.

Plus, we already have the best defensive player in the game. Why go looking for a worse option?

[EasternMagic]

Oh so you figured out I was right and it's you who can't properly assess a basketball game? Cool.

nope... you still made a **** assessment. But I'd really like to see you suspended.

Haha I'd love to know why you think Q was in the game over JJ

How does that make you feel?

[JNelson43]

I really wasn't feeling Orton out there to be honest. Obviously he wasn't great, but I didn't see any more untapped potential than any other chubby benchwarmer to be honest.

And of course to be in the league you have to be talented, but he has to really show something and be a gym rat and all those sorts of things.

[EasternMagic]

basically that Orton's minutes did nothing for us.. he fell for every pump fake and got early fouls. He was pretty straight up mean about it lol.

Stan has no attachment to Orton and doesn't have to worry about pissing the guy off, he's already done so earlier this season. Stan does have a tendency to crap on young guys to try and motivate them, we'll see if it works with Orton like it does with Ryan.

Hope so, I like Orton.. even though what Stan said was true, he actually has shown a lot of potential which has surprised me a lot. I'd like to keep him around.

[thelead]

This board has gotten so testy with all this Dwight stuff going on. The end of threads is a minefield.

so was the beginning

[EasternMagic]

I really wasn't feeling Orton out there to be honest. Obviously he wasn't great, but I didn't see any more untapped potential than any other chubby benchwarmer to be honest.

Really? I mean I'm definitely not saying he had a great game.. he made a lot of mistakes, but he was active on the offensive glass.. if he would calm down a little, relieve some jitters and finish that would be big.

He really got abused on defense though. That's not good.

[Last Guardian]

Its horribly put together because it assumes Dwight is a good first option. Shaq and Hakeem would murder with a bunch of shooters around them.

Dwight isn't a top 10 all time center even those guys would have a hard time winning it all with this team. We have a hard time just passing the ball into the paint. Jameer can't pass off the pick in roll. We have not one reliable slasher to create some open looks and easy baskets. We don't have a clutch players like Drexler/Kobe/Wade. We don't play defense. So, while we would be closer, I don't believe we would be real contenders.

Wouldn't need them. Shaq and Hakeem could pass. Basically run an offense from the post. You don't double they drop 40+ easily. If you do they get wide open 3's. The system works if you actually have a legit post up player.

Thats why I have been saying for years this team is flawed from the very foundation. We built a team around a player that was never good enough offensively to have a team built around him.

If only the guy could be Bill Russell. We could have an insane defense and a decent enough offense and be real contenders.

[D12VCMagic]

Orton has shown defensive potential and he did block some shots tonight. But Kanter ate him alive. He isn't ready to contribute to a good team yet. He'd be better off on a crappy team like the Cavs or Wizards that would allow him to play minutes and develop.

[MagicStarwipe]

How does that make you feel?

Must hurt to be wrong I guess, which is why you can't answer the question

I'll make it easy for you. Utah had a big lineup in the game. Big Al, Favors, Milsap, Haywood and Harris. Stan decided he wanted to keep J-Rich in the game because of his hot shooting tonight, but he needed someone to guard Milsap, so e decided to leave Q in at the expense of JJ. Q was hot garbage. Is that simple enough for you to work out?

[rcklsscognition]

Do you want to continue trying to win by jacking up 38 3's a night. I'm over it. We hit 15 3's in a game on 40% and still lost.

We scored what, 105 points before going to OT and our offense is a problem?

Not tonight but my point is do you expect to hit 15 of 38 three's every night? I don't think we're going to win many games expecting that.

Plus, we already have the best defensive player in the game. Why go looking for a worse option?

I expect us to shoot 35% from 3 point range over a span of a playoff series.

As far as Dwight, he is overkill. We don't need him offensively and we could find a cheaper alternative in a defensive center that has a limited post game but preferably a mid-range jumper so he doesn't sit in the paint all game and clog it up. He would also be able to pass. We can all see our offense is running smoothly without him in the game. I'm not really saying our system is wrong, I personally don't enjoy it, but I know a lot of people here don't like the 1 in 4 out, but with Dwight and what skills he has, that's what we're going to run.

At this moment in time, we just happen to be in the unfortunate position of having no defensive center on a team designed to have one. If you replaced Dwight right now with a defensive specialist, would we not be better with that + our current offense?

[shadrock]

On a plus note, atleast were pretty much a lock now to play Indiana in the first round now...

[JNelson43]

I really wasn't feeling Orton out there to be honest. Obviously he wasn't great, but I didn't see any more untapped potential than any other chubby benchwarmer to be honest.

Really? I mean I'm definitely not saying he had a great game.. he made a lot of mistakes, but he was active on the offensive glass.. if he would calm down a little, relieve some jitters and finish that would be big.

He really got abused on defense though. That's not good.

Yeah I wanted to see something but I didn't see too much myself. And two points, three boards, five fouls... well.

But to be fair, I tend to be pretty hard on young guys. There are a lot of guys who hardly get any playing time, they have to perform when they get a chance or they aren't going to get many more of them. He got fooled way too much, he tried out there but he looked pretty unpolished and kind of out of shape.

[rcklsscognition]

It was Al freaking Jefferson, not like he was playing some backup big or something. Unfortunately, we need his height and length against hibbert and the pacers.

[GameOver25]

Guys you do understand this is a "Game Thread" and sometimes it's okay to be frustrated? This board is in more disarray than the players.

[EasternMagic]

How does that make you feel?

Must hurt to be wrong I guess, which is why you can't answer the question

I'll make it easy for you. Utah had a big lineup in the game. Big Al, Favors, Milsap, Haywood and Harris. Stan decided he wanted to keep J-Rich in the game because of his hot shooting tonight, but he needed someone to guard Milsap, so e decided to leave Q in at the expense of JJ. Q was hot garbage. Is that simple enough for you to work out?

It hurts so bad. You should insult me some more, I think that'll help your with your inferiority complex issues.

By the way, you are still wrong. We didn't lose this game because we were out coached.

[ChildishGambino]

That is the thing about Stan i'm not really digging and i'm sure other players don't dig it either....do you have to throw them under the bus in front of the cameras? yeah he had a bad game but you could easily just say just that...he had a bad game....IDK stan has always been this way...but maybe that's part of the problem....

[rcklsscognition]

That is the thing about Stan i'm not really digging and i'm sure other players don't dig it either....do you have to throw them under the bus in front of the cameras? yeah he had a bad game but you could easily just say just that...he had a bad game....IDK stan has always been this way...but maybe that's part of the problem....

I'm not 100% sure of this, but Stan has not ever thrown his veteran player's under the bus in a post game about their level of play, he's done so with the rookies and bench squad, most notably Ryan Anderson, and it has worked, tremendously, in inspiring Ryan to improve and have good games. Stan usually refers to a team effort and doesn't call out the starts.

[ivDT]

By the way, you are still wrong. We didn't lose this game because we were out coached.

yeah. we lost this game because of the shemale pictures on the first few pages of this thread.

[NickAnderson]

Woah, Stan just dumped all over Orton.

What a great coach, trying to motivate and all..