Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

theokie · Post #1021 » by **theokie** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:40 am

Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Harden is extremely lucky lol.

9 time out of 10 that same blow would have knocked him out cold.

I can't believe he was cleared to come back in the game after that.

He wasn't cleared. He has a concussion. The league has strict rules on this now considering what we know about the severity of head injuries these days.

Post #1022 » by **jman3134** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:41 am

I'm shocked that people can actually believe that was unintentional and have a fierce debate about it. He swung his elbow completely back and followed through on the hit then was prancing around grabbing his cojones. This almost reminds me of the R Kelly Chapelle show skit, except it's actually more egregious.

twinthunder3 · Post #1023 » by **twinthunder3** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:42 am

Typical Artest move...

MastaStrategist · Post #1024 » by **MastaStrategist** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:42 am

jman3134 wrote:I'm shocked that people can actually believe that was unintentional and have a fierce debate about it. He swung his elbow completely back and followed through on the hit then was prancing around grabbing his cojones. This almost reminds me of the R Kelly Chapelle show skit, except it's actually more egregious.

"Prancing around grabbi".... what?

Kobe2ndFiddle · Post #1025 » by **Kobe2ndFiddle** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:43 am

theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Harden is extremely lucky lol.

9 time out of 10 that same blow would have knocked him out cold.

I can't believe he was cleared to come back in the game after that.

He wasn't cleared.

Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

MastaStrategist · Post #1026 » by **MastaStrategist** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:43 am

Bottom line:

He lost his mind for a second. He was jacked up after that dunk, adrenaline flowing, crowd going crazy, he just got caught up in all the emotion.

He didn't throw the elbow to his head just to knock him the eff out. He was celebrating, Harden was in his way, MWP wanted to get him out of the way by elbowing him out of the way and it backfired horribly. I think the original destination for that elbow was in the back of Harden, not his head where it ended up.

There was no intent to knock him the eff out, intent to clear him out of the way....yes.

pross · Post #1027 » by **pross** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:44 am

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if kblo247 is a master troll or the ultimate homer. I mean ARE YOU Fing SERIOUS? Just STOP and think about what you are trying to say. Seriously. Take a moment sit back and think if this was Ibaka doing it to Kobe Bryant. I guarantee you'd be singing a different tune. GUARANTEE! Seriously are you mentally stable?

Now, I don't believe in a life time banning like some people, but to try put this on Harden and say a 2-3 game suspension is all that's warranted is ridiculous. This is a 10 game minimum suspension and I truly believe it will be closer to 15-20 games. Sig it, book mark it, do whatever you want.

kblo247 · Post #1028 » by **kblo247** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:44 am

Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:
theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Harden is extremely lucky lol.

9 time out of 10 that same blow would have knocked him out cold.

I can't believe he was cleared to come back in the game after that.

He wasn't cleared.
Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

Yes he was cleared. He sat out for precautionary reasons. He also didn't take the free throws, so he wouldn't have been able to return anyway iirc

MastaStrategist · Post #1029 » by **MastaStrategist** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:45 am

Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:
theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Harden is extremely lucky lol.

9 time out of 10 that same blow would have knocked him out cold.

I can't believe he was cleared to come back in the game after that.

He wasn't cleared.
Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

He was cleared by the Lakers medical examiners. Hornets guys decided to play it safe, then after the game said he has a concussion.

theokie · Post #1030 » by **theokie** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:46 am

Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:
theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Harden is extremely lucky lol.

9 time out of 10 that same blow would have knocked him out cold.

I can't believe he was cleared to come back in the game after that.

He wasn't cleared.
Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

Probably a false report. It was announced after the game that he had a concussion. I think its pretty obvious that they wouldnt have cleared him 20 minutes after suffering a concussion. He probably won't even be cleared for next game

Neutral 123 · Post #1031 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:46 am

MastaStrategist wrote:
The point I don't think you get is that what happened with Dallas wasn't done to get a competitive advantage, which is your main argument for why it's so deplorable. What happened against Dallas was done during the last game in a sweep out of pure frustration.

Was it wrong? Yes

Was it done to get a competitive advantage? No

It wasn't just at the end of the series. The Artest clothesline was early in the series. Also, I didn't say it was only used to get a competitive advantage, it also serves to sabotage the team that beat you. You know that if they respond to your cheap shots that they will face playoff suspensions and possibly cost themselves a title. Had key players responded to the crap they pulled last year, Dallas possibly loses to OKC. The league has to recognize and punish teams that take advantage of the fact that championship caliber teams cannot respond to cheap shots because they actually have a title to compete for. They did it to Dallas last year, and they just did it to OKC today. It's disgusting.

AllzGudInDaHood · Post #1032 » by **AllzGudInDaHood** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:46 am

kblo247 wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:
theokie wrote:He wasn't cleared.
Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

Yes he was cleared. He sat out for precautionary reasons. He also didn't take the free throws, so he wouldn't have been able to return anyway iirc

On Flagrant 2s, you don't have to shoot the free throws to be able to play. Otherwise, it would kind of be unfair.

Payaso · Post #1033 » by **Payaso** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:46 am

eablinksum wrote:

lmao

bullsnewdynasty · Post #1034 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:48 am

Shaq got 3 games for that punch, and he didn't even connect. Artest will probably get a bigger suspension because the league seems to be cracking down on this sort of stuff lately.

rayofsunshine · Post #1035 » by **rayofsunshine** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:48 am

perkins to the lakers.

AllzGudInDaHood · Post #1036 » by **AllzGudInDaHood** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:
theokie wrote:He wasn't cleared.
Didn't Mike Breen say on air that he was cleared to come back in the game ? and then shortly after that they sent him back to the locker room for "precautionary reasons" and concussion like symptoms ?

Probably a false report. It was announced after the game that he had a concussion. I think its pretty obvious that they wouldnt have cleared him 20 minutes after suffering a concussion. He probably won't even be cleared for next game

It's not like they have anything to play for at this point. Seeding is basically locked up at the top of the conference.

Celts17Pride · Post #1037 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

MWP will be done until next season.

Neutral 123 · Post #1038 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:Shaq got 3 games for that punch, and he didn't even connect. Artest will probably get a bigger suspension because the league seems to be cracking down on this sort of stuff lately.

Yep, and it didn't connect. With Artest's history, and the fact he gave someone a concussion, he's facing quite a bit longer than 3 games. Hard to argue it wouldn't be justified.

Blkbrd671 · Post #1039 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

Artest does that all the time, uses his elbows to get ppl out the way. i think he meant to throw the elbow, but i don't think he meant to hit him in the head

MastaStrategist · Post #1040 » by **MastaStrategist** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

Neutral 123 wrote:
MastaStrategist wrote:
The point I don't think you get is that what happened with Dallas wasn't done to get a competitive advantage, which is your main argument for why it's so deplorable. What happened against Dallas was done during the last game in a sweep out of pure frustration.

Was it wrong? Yes

Was it done to get a competitive advantage? No

It wasn't just at the end of the series. The Artest clothesline was early in the series. Also, I didn't say it was only used to get a competitive advantage, it also serves to sabotage the team that beat you. You know that if they respond to your cheap shots that they will face playoff suspensions and possibly cost themselves a title. Had key players responded to the crap they pulled last year, Dallas possibly loses to OKC. The league has to recognize and punish teams that take advantage of the fact that championship caliber teams cannot respond to cheap shots because they actually have a title to compete for. They did it to Dallas last year, and they just did it to OKC today. It's disgusting.

You're trying way too hard bro. Players don't sit and think about how or to what extent they will sabotage a team. You don't think you'd get more of an uproar from other team's coaches/owners/players? Give me a break