Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

LApwnd · Post #1461 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:32 pm

Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
artest was going to hit somebody regardless of who it was, all i'm saying is it could've been avoided.

What you're saying is people should stay out of Artest's way because he could elbow them in the head. Now, let's apply that rule from now on with other players. Next time OKC or anyone plays the Lakers, someone should hit Kobe in the face with a baseball bat when Kobe gets in their way. After all, Kobe could avoid that by just staying out of the way.

fine by me, if Kobe ran up into somebody celebrating like a wild man and got elbowed up thats on him.

Neutral 123 · Post #1462 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:32 pm

Man I wish the league would just hurry up and give him his suspension, so we can stop arguing this blatant intentional elbow and move on to debating how the Lakers are being persecuted by the league when Artest gets his 'unfair' suspension.

CrazyKnicks · Post #1463 » by **CrazyKnicks** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:35 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
artest was going to hit somebody regardless of who it was, all i'm saying is it could've been avoided.

What you're saying is people should stay out of Artest's way because he could elbow them in the head. Now, let's apply that rule from now on with other players. Next time OKC or anyone plays the Lakers, someone should hit Kobe in the face with a baseball bat when Kobe gets in their way. After all, Kobe could avoid that by just staying out of the way.

fine by me, if Kobe ran up into somebody celebrating like a wild man and got elbowed up thats on him.

You really believe that, the stupidity of some people.

PainKiller · Post #1464 » by **PainKiller** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:36 pm

How many noses did dikembe mutombo break with his elbows?

LApwnd · Post #1465 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:38 pm

Crazyknicks wrote:You really believe that, the stupidity of some people.

I would, dont assume, just cause I support a the team dont mean I dont have an open mind, I would blame the person doing the elbowing but I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have any thing to do with it. Lets not act like Harden hasn't done this before and "almost" got the same result from Chandler last year.

VINO 24 · Post #1466 » by **VINO 24** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:39 pm

I'm not trying to say what Artest did was dirty, but the Thunder all game long yesterday were repeatedly bumping into Laker players on dead balls(Perkins etc..)

Leto · Post #1467 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:39 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
artest was going to hit somebody regardless of who it was, all i'm saying is it could've been avoided.

What you're saying is people should stay out of Artest's way because he could elbow them in the head. Now, let's apply that rule from now on with other players. Next time OKC or anyone plays the Lakers, someone should hit Kobe in the face with a baseball bat when Kobe gets in their way. After all, Kobe could avoid that by just staying out of the way.

fine by me, if Kobe ran up into somebody celebrating like a wild man and got elbowed up thats on him.

No it isn't. Its illegal to wind up and elbow a guy in the head no matter what he did. Its not acceptable and never will be.

spearsy23 · Post #1468 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:39 pm

LApwnd wrote:I would, dont assume, just cause I support a the team dont mean I dont have an open mind, I would blame the person doing the elbowing but I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have any thing to do with it. Lets not act like Harden hasn't done this before and "almost" got the same result from Chandler last year.

Crazyknicks wrote:You really believe that, the stupidity of some people.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1469 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:40 pm

Whether Harden got in his way or not is really not the overall issue. Yes maybe it could have been avoided but do you really want someone in the NBA who is that unstable and that easily provoked? Think about it. Artest freaking leveled someone just because he was in his way.

What happens if someone fouls Artest hard? Is he going to just go ballistic and attack the person? To me the guy is just out of chances. He probably should have been banned when he started that donnybrook back in 2004. The NBA does not have a great rep as it is and having what Artest did all over the internet and youtube is not helping their cause. At some point Stern needs to figure out what the value gained is to having such a high profile player like Artest in the NBA.

Neutral 123 wrote:Man I wish the league would just hurry up and give him his suspension, so we can stop arguing this blatant intentional elbow and move on to debating how the Lakers are being persecuted by the league when Artest gets his 'unfair' suspension.

I agree. Lakers don't play again until Thursday so the NBA has plenty of time to decide what the punishment is.

Vincent 666 · Post #1470 » by **Vincent 666** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:42 pm

Dr Pepper wrote:
He probably didn't know it was Harden specifically, but unless Artest has some Ong Bak elbows then he would have felt his elbow hitting someone's head, especially how far he cocked it back and the nasty follow through.

Not really. The elbow is probably the strongest part of your body. I once played in a game where I elbowed somebody without even realizing it. I ran up the court and turned around to see him on the floor with a cut on his eye.

It happens. When you sit somebody with an elbow right on the sweet spot you dont even feel it. Its kind of like hitting a ball in baseball. When you get a good swing on a ball you dont even feel it making contact with the bat.

Looking at Artests face and body language, it looks like thats exactly what happened. He caught Harden with the sweet spot of the elbow without realizing it while celebrating his dunk.

Stills12 · Post #1471 » by **Stills12** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:43 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Still Desi wrote:Im fairly certain 5 championships and 6 conference titles since 2000 are greater than Stern rejecting that meh offer from Lakers.

right so Lakers been winning those championship cause league allowed them to

If the league hated Lakers as you claim then they could have certainly stopped them at times, couldn't they have?

And when you consider the fact Lakers are the most storied and popular franchise in the league, constantly have dynasties and the fact that people in general love watching dynasties you'd realize it makes no sense for the league to hate them, unless you think Stern hates profits..

LApwnd · Post #1472 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:44 pm

Leto wrote:No it isn't. Its illegal to wind up and elbow a guy in the head no matter what he did. Its not acceptable and never will be.

that wasn't your question to me, you asked if Kobe did the same would I have the same feeling and I said yes I would put it on Kobe for not avoiding it altogether...never said what Artest did was right.

Leto · Post #1473 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:44 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Crazyknicks wrote:You really believe that, the stupidity of some people.

I would, dont assume, just cause I support a the team dont mean I dont have an open mind, I would blame the person doing the elbowing but I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have any thing to do with it. Lets not act like Harden hasn't done this before and "almost" got the same result from Chandler last year.

Do you even watch basketball? The entire game is "getting in other people's way." Its called setting a screen. Its the way basketball is played. Let's not act like this is some rare occurance that only Harden does. Harden did NOTHING wrong or illegal. If you don't like it, take up another sport. But elbowing someone because of it is not allowed and is punishable by suspension.

Thundestruck · Post #1474 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:45 pm

Let's just make a rule that no one can touch any Laker player because it might make them mad.

LApwnd · Post #1475 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:45 pm

Still Desi wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
Still Desi wrote:Im fairly certain 5 championships and 6 conference titles since 2000 are greater than Stern rejecting that meh offer from Lakers.

right so Lakers been winning those championship cause league allowed them to

If the league hated Lakers as you claim then they could have certainly stopped them at times, couldn't they have?

And when you consider the fact Lakers are the most storied and popular franchise in the league, constantly have dynasties and the fact that people in general love watching dynasties you'd realize it makes no sense for the league to hate them, unless you think Stern hates profits..

they do all that because they can not because of the league.

blumeany · Post #1476 » by **blumeany** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm

LApwnd wrote:
blumeany wrote:There's no doubt he should be banned. Sorry, the elbow was clearly pre-meditated and extremely violent. The dude is obviously A. Nuts and B. Not remorseful of any of the previous crazy acts he had done. You let this guy continue to play and someone else will get hurt. It's irresponsible of the league to let this crazy idiot continue to play.

pre-mediated? wtf, what he did was wrong but it happened spur of the moment, learn what "pre-mediated" means, pre-mediated would mean he went looking for Harden or any OKC player to do that too, Harden ran into him

Harden 'ran into him' (which people seem to think helps justify things, but whatever), but by pre-meditated I mean that he knew exactly what he was doing. It may have happened quickly, but Artest knowingly cocked his elbow back and threw it. It wasn't a 'get off me' kind of shove, which would have been fine in my book. He consciously pulled his arm back and hit Harden as hard as he could in the head.

LApwnd · Post #1477 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
Crazyknicks wrote:You really believe that, the stupidity of some people.

I would, dont assume, just cause I support a the team dont mean I dont have an open mind, I would blame the person doing the elbowing but I wouldn't say Kobe didn't have any thing to do with it. Lets not act like Harden hasn't done this before and "almost" got the same result from Chandler last year.

Do you even watch basketball? The entire game is "getting in other people's way." Its called setting a screen. Its the way basketball is played. Let's not act like this is some rare occurance that only Harden does. Harden did NOTHING wrong or illegal. If you don't like it, take up another sport. But elbowing someone because of it is not allowed and is punishable by suspension.

yes I do and nobody "screens" on inbound pass in the 2nd qtr, Harden WANTED to get in Artest way and wanted a reaction unfortunately it was bad one for them both.

greenmaker · Post #1478 » by **greenmaker** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm

All you dumbs defending Rot Arnest I wish he did the same elbowing on you. Much pleasure. Peace...

Leto · Post #1479 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:48 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Leto wrote:No it isn't. Its illegal to wind up and elbow a guy in the head no matter what he did. Its not acceptable and never will be.

that wasn't your question to me, you asked if Kobe did the same would I have the same feeling and I said yes I would put it on Kobe for not avoiding it altogether...never said what Artest did was right.

That's not a rational statement because you want it both ways. You say Kobe shouild avoid it so its his fault but what Artest did was wrong. Nope. Screens are a legal play in the NBA. If you have to throw an elbow to the head to get thru one, then you can't play.

Stills12 · Post #1480 » by **Stills12** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:48 pm

LApwnd wrote:they do all that because they can not because of the league.

See my second point.